Folio Society - Ian Fleming Special Editions

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  • edited January 16 Posts: 1,119
    It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. The people that bought the previous editions bought the books featuring specially commissioned original illustrations. What would happen if it came to light the illustrations weren't so original after all?
    For my part, I couldn't give a stuff if a an illustration of a face, an arm or whatever else was 'borrowed' from previous artwork, as long as they were pleasing to my eyes. But if it were found the Folio Fleming illustrations weren't 100% original, it does rather put Folio in an awkward position, being a publisher of integrity.
    I suspect this might be the 'reasons beyond our control' that Major Boothroyd mentioned earlier on this thread. But that's just guesswork.

    Regardless of the controversy, like FoxRox and NickTwentyTwo, I want Dalton doing Octopussy and the Living Daylights.

    Please.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I also happen to be a Magic: The Gathering player lol and it seems like her art there is what was plagiarized... the art in the Folios looks quite a bit different than the art she's credited for on these MTG cards, which makes the naive optimist in me think that the Folio art is in fact original, and some of these cards were plagiarized. Some of them certainly do look like collage-jobs, but still wildly different than her art in the books.

    Plagiarized art credited to Dalton on an MTG Card:
    mtg-trouble-in-pairs.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=1140&h=&dpr=1.5
    IMO, looks quite a bit different than her Folio style.

    A Magic: The Gathering card credit to Dalton that looks much more like the Folio style:
    9746b45a-abd8-4a60-9139-48c1522bfd4b.jpg?1678451627

    The conclusion I'm drawing (pun) here is that I think Dalton has done a mix of original art, and collage-style art without proper accreditation, and my hope is that the Folio art (and this one example card) is original.

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    You know it's funny but until now I'd never really thought of plagiarism in art being a thing. I always thought of plagiarism as solely involving writing but that's obviously not the case. It's sad that anyone feels that they have to copy the work of others just to get ahead.
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    I also expect plagiarism to become a lot worse in every field with AI technology on the rise.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://www.cbr.com/exclusive-dc-comics-superman-folio-society-collection/

    Not Bond related but I felt that it fit in here.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    I also happen to be a Magic: The Gathering player lol and it seems like her art there is what was plagiarized... the art in the Folios looks quite a bit different than the art she's credited for on these MTG cards, which makes the naive optimist in me think that the Folio art is in fact original, and some of these cards were plagiarized. Some of them certainly do look like collage-jobs, but still wildly different than her art in the books.

    Plagiarized art credited to Dalton on an MTG Card:
    mtg-trouble-in-pairs.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=1140&h=&dpr=1.5
    IMO, looks quite a bit different than her Folio style.

    A Magic: The Gathering card credit to Dalton that looks much more like the Folio style:
    9746b45a-abd8-4a60-9139-48c1522bfd4b.jpg?1678451627

    The conclusion I'm drawing (pun) here is that I think Dalton has done a mix of original art, and collage-style art without proper accreditation, and my hope is that the Folio art (and this one example card) is original.

    I'm not adept in the world of graphic illustration, but where do you draw the line in terms of plagiarism or modeling from existing work?
  • Posts: 59
    Add me to the list of people anxiously waiting on Octopussy

    Always admired these editions, but I was planning on holding off on them until they’d completed the set. But it’s been so long now since they started (and I don’t have enough experience with Folio to know how long their editions might stay in print) that I’ve caved and started collecting. Already have Casino Royale and the next three up to Diamonds are on their way.

    As for Colonel Sun, I guess I might be the only person who’d love to see Folio do it in a matching style. It’s the one continuation novel I rank up with Fleming’s best (whisper it quietly, but I actually like it more than some of the Fleming novels) and I’d love to see it get the same treatment to make a beautiful matching set.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited April 8 Posts: 18,642
    LeighBurne wrote: »
    Add me to the list of people anxiously waiting on Octopussy

    Always admired these editions, but I was planning on holding off on them until they’d completed the set. But it’s been so long now since they started (and I don’t have enough experience with Folio to know how long their editions might stay in print) that I’ve caved and started collecting. Already have Casino Royale and the next three up to Diamonds are on their way.

    As for Colonel Sun, I guess I might be the only person who’d love to see Folio do it in a matching style. It’s the one continuation novel I rank up with Fleming’s best (whisper it quietly, but I actually like it more than some of the Fleming novels) and I’d love to see it get the same treatment to make a beautiful matching set.

    I'd wholeheartedly agree with that. I do consider Colonel Sun the best continuation Bond novel by a country mile. I'd be all for its inclusion along with the Fleming Bond novels in this set once they get Octopussy out of the way. In fact, Colonel Sun was printed in the same Pan series of covers in the 1960s and continued to be into the 1970s and 80s with the Triad Panther covers. So it would be appropriate for inclusion in this Folio set too. Whether it ever will be is anybody's guess though.
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    I'd be very surprised if they printed Colonel Sun as part of the same series, and I honestly don't know if I'd buy it, (I have all the other Fleming Folios).
    Don't get me wrong, I like the book, but do I want a none-Fleming book as part of my Folio collection?
    It's an awkward one.

    As for Octopussy, I get excited every time I see a new post on this thread, to be honest. And then I look, and . . .
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited April 17 Posts: 18,642
    I think we'll be safe enough regarding Colonel Sun. 'Twould only be a pipe dream for some of us. I can't see the Folio Society touching any of the Bond continuation novels and certainly not in a matching set with the rest of the Fleming Bond books. Not even Colonel Sun which is much better regarded as a continuation Bond novel than many of the other novels that followed it and which was (crucially) written in the 1960s by one of Britain's greatest postwar novelists.
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    Colonel Sun does indeed occupy a unique place in the literary Bond world, because it's got such a good reputation, was released not long after Golden Gun, and was, as you say, part of the Pan series. Someone reading Bond paperbacks in the late sixties, early seventies may well have treated it as just another James Bond book, but by a different author.
    I think it deserves its reputation, certainly.

    I'd have to re-read it to see if I prefer it over Fleming, but I have to admit, when I read Horrowitz's With a Mind to Kill a couple of years ago, right after a Golden Gun re-read, I enjoyed WAMTK more. Of course, it was a new story, compared to GG's well-known adventure, so you have to take that into account.

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Colonel Sun does indeed occupy a unique place in the literary Bond world, because it's got such a good reputation, was released not long after Golden Gun, and was, as you say, part of the Pan series. Someone reading Bond paperbacks in the late sixties, early seventies may well have treated it as just another James Bond book, but by a different author.
    I think it deserves its reputation, certainly.

    I'd have to re-read it to see if I prefer it over Fleming, but I have to admit, when I read Horrowitz's With a Mind to Kill a couple of years ago, right after a Golden Gun re-read, I enjoyed WAMTK more. Of course, it was a new story, compared to GG's well-known adventure, so you have to take that into account.

    Yes, that's true regarding Colonel Sun's elevated reputation within the literary Bond oeuvre. It was lumped in with the Fleming books in the marketing around the Pan Books editions and the later Triad/Panther and Coronet editions too.

    Another book that tender to be lumped in with both the original Flemings and Colonel Sun was John Pearson's James Bond: The Authorised Biography (1973). It had a matching "still life" Pan Books cover which even Colonel Sun didn't have. It was also listed along with the Fleming novels and Colonel Sun. It has its own sense of legitimacy as Pearson worked under Fleming at the Sunday Times and so was the only Bond continuation author who knew Fleming very well. The only other Bond author who ever met Fleming was Kingsley Amis on two or three occasions.
  • edited 11:17am Posts: 59
    I'd be very surprised if they printed Colonel Sun as part of the same series…

    For what it’s worth, I doubt they’d do it either.

    But personally I would like them to.
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