What happened to MI6 head of staff Charles Robinson (Colin Salmon)?

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  • Dr_Metz wrote:
    Agreed. What annoys me most about CR is that it's the Bond film they erased 40 years of Bond history for, and it's not even good, IMO. If it hadn't been a reboot film, I would probably not hate it as much as I do.


    What does reboot even mean in the world of James Bond?

    Look at the continuity between films - it's non-existent. It's just the main actors appear repeatedly. Blofeld didn't recognise Bond in OHMSS. Judi Dench is somehow still M in Casino Royale. Why? Because who cares.

    If you're obsessed with the Bond films having a continuity, then Bond is active in 1962 and still active in 2002, which would make him seventy at the very least. How do you explain that?
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    He was killed during the explosion.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Dr_Metz wrote:
    He was another cool character thrown away because of the stupid reboot idea.

    I like CR but I see no reason for the reboot. Why not just make it a normal Bond film, but a serious one? They can still take out the gadgets, etc. Now they have to waste time reintroducing all the old supporting characters.
    Agreed. What annoys me most about CR is that it's the Bond film they erased 40 years of Bond history for, and it's not even good, IMO. If it hadn't been a reboot film, I would probably not hate it as much as I do.

    You still have spots.
  • One of my favourite things about SF was how they bought everything full circle and ended the reboot.

    The reboot was just pointless. They was literally no reason for it. They could've just made CR another Bond film, keep it basically the same but add Moneypenny and Q (he can just give Bond his gun or something), and make the free running in Madagascar the PTS.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited October 2012 Posts: 3,497
    One of my favourite things about SF was how they bought everything full circle and ended the reboot.

    The reboot was just pointless. They was literally no reason for it. They could've just made CR another Bond film, keep it basically the same but add Moneypenny and Q (he can just give Bond his gun or something), and make the free running in Madagascar the PTS.

    It was not pointless. Both Bond & Batman were at a low point. Every once in a while, the Bondmovies go back "to their roots". Even Moore made two serious Bonds, even though they still had more camp than say CR or LTK.

    And why would they have needed to add Moneypenny & Q? We have them now and both actors are already signed on for the next one, so... I didn't even miss them in CR & QOS.

    There's a chance they'll reboot Bond again after Bond 25.
  • Bond isn't Batman. If they went 40 years without rebooting even after some unrealistic films, I reckon they could've kept going.

    CR should've just been a down to earth film like FYEO. Why is it an origin story? DAD made money and wasn't panned so unlike Batman and Robin, it didn't seem like the end of the series.

    You could say why have Moneypenny and Q in any film then. They're supporting characters that have been there for ages, why remove them, especially if you're just going to retinroduce them? It's pointless imo.

    I honestly doubt they'll ever reboot Bond again. And I'm not bashing CR, I it's in my top 10, I just think the reboot is pointless. Sorry for going off topic.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    I never said Bond is Batman, but I mentioned the latter because that series too was in equally bad condition.

    I'm fine with the reboot.
  • JamesCraig wrote:
    I never said Bond is Batman, but I mentioned the latter because that series too was in equally bad condition.

    But you can't really compare the two.

    Batman and Robin was a complete failure. Even though some fans now hate it, DAD at the time was a success, it made money and got decent enough reviews.

    And Bond has had unrealistic films before, they always just bring things back to earth, like FYEO or OHMSS. Batman had never had that.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Twilight makes money too, that doesn't make it a great film.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 401
    JamesCraig wrote:
    You still have spots.
    You made a reference to Skyfall for no apparent reason, great?
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 12,837
    JamesCraig wrote:
    Twilight makes money too, that doesn't make it a great film.

    I don't think Die Another Day is a great film (but it's not as bad as Batman and Robin), I'm just saying the series was fine. It got decent enough reviews and made money, and they could've bought it back down to earth in the next film.

    I don't think Batman and Robin made as much money as past films in the series and it dropped during the 2nd week. Critics slammed it, somebody said it had killed the series. Everyone thought it was terrible, they needed to start from scratch.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Batman & Robin did flop, yes.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I don't think Batman and Robin made as much money as past films in the series and it dropped during the 2nd week. Critics slammed it, somebody said it had killed the series. Everyone thought it was terrible, they needed to start from scratch.

    Alas... if only George Clooney and Chris O'Donnel had been cubed instead of Robinson...
  • Charles Robinson was a cool character. (Even though he did not get enough screen time) I hope Robinson comes in back in a future Bond film.
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
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    Charles Robinson was a cool character. (Even though he did not get enough screen time) I hope Robinson comes in back in a future Bond film.

    He will never return, atleast not with Colin Salmon playing him. Even though the caracther is good.
  • MrBond wrote:
    Charles Robinson was a cool character. (Even though he did not get enough screen time) I hope Robinson comes in back in a future Bond film.

    He will never return, atleast not with Colin Salmon playing him. Even though the caracther is good.

    Anothy Mackie would make a good Robinson. (IMO)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Dr_Metz wrote:
    Agreed. What annoys me most about CR is that it's the Bond film they erased 40 years of Bond history for, and it's not even good, IMO. If it hadn't been a reboot film, I would probably not hate it as much as I do.


    What does reboot even mean in the world of James Bond?

    Look at the continuity between films - it's non-existent. It's just the main actors appear repeatedly. Blofeld didn't recognise Bond in OHMSS. Judi Dench is somehow still M in Casino Royale. Why? Because who cares.

    If you're obsessed with the Bond films having a continuity, then Bond is active in 1962 and still active in 2002, which would make him seventy at the very least. How do you explain that?

    There's plenty of continuity in the Bond films, and it is my belief that Brosnan's M and Craig's M are two different characters.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Robinson is just a random MI6 extra who was in three movies. He's not really a character.

    Pretty much sums it up. I don't hear people bemoaning the lack of Smithers or Frederick Gray.

    Although for the record I massively prefer Colin Salmon to the pudgy charisma free zone that is Rory Kinnear as Tanner. His character might as well be called 'Mr Dull Exposition Man' and he bears absolutely no relation to the bloke Fleming wrote about. I don't buy that he saw any action or is 'Bonds best friend in the service'. I reckon I would buy it though if it was Colin selling.

    (Just realised how that looks. For the record thats a metaphor about portraying Bill Tanner. In case his lawyers are reading I'm not insinuating that Colin Salmon sells anything but his acting talent or, for that matter, that I would interested in buying!)
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Dr_Metz wrote:
    Agreed. What annoys me most about CR is that it's the Bond film they erased 40 years of Bond history for, and it's not even good, IMO. If it hadn't been a reboot film, I would probably not hate it as much as I do.


    What does reboot even mean in the world of James Bond?

    Look at the continuity between films - it's non-existent. It's just the main actors appear repeatedly. Blofeld didn't recognise Bond in OHMSS. Judi Dench is somehow still M in Casino Royale. Why? Because who cares.

    If you're obsessed with the Bond films having a continuity, then Bond is active in 1962 and still active in 2002, which would make him seventy at the very least. How do you explain that?

    There's plenty of continuity in the Bond films, and it is my belief that Brosnan's M and Craig's M are two different characters.

    Why isn't that everyone's belief? Why, when the characters' very dialogue suggests it, do people not realize that the Brosnan M and Craig M are different characters that just happen to be played by the same actor?

    Brosnan M - Somewhat new to the intelligence world in '95, has children and a relatively good relationship with Bond (after their first scene in GE, they seem to actually have a mutual respect).

    Craig M - Mentions working in the intelligence field since the Cold War ("Christ I miss the Cold War"), so far only a husband is suggested, and her and Bond clearly don't really like one another. They respect one another on the inside, but on the outside it's obviously a love/hate relationship (their dialogue in CR and SF is a good indication of this).

    I'm not getting the confusion behind whether or not they're the same person.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    The reboot needed to happen. This wasn't just the case of going from MR to FYEO with no explanation; you had to overhaul the entire series because DAD pretty much killed it creatively. It wouldn't be enough to simply go from DAD to CR (doing Fleming's origianl novel) without restarting the series. It was a bold and incredibly refreshing idea. Besides, Craig's Bond has somehow now kind of blurred into the old timeline so all is good in the world of Bond. The timeline was never set in stone so a quantum lep of this magnitude wouldn't be out of the quenystion.

    Anyway, going back to the question at hand, I quite liked Robinson. Not exactly as a deep character, but as a reliable and familiar face.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    Rob was a cool character. Unfortunately not so much used.
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