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What was the profession of Andrew Bond?

Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
edited November 2012 in Skyfall Posts: 403
I can't quite remember what Bond's father did for a living to be able to afford such a luxury mansion out in the highlands of Scotland. He's clearly a he-man of a hunter and a gun enthusiast, but did Bond not come from more humble roots?
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  • marymossmarymoss
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    I was wondering that too. I assumed when I saw CR that Bond came from humble roots and then went to live with a rich relative when his parents died. However, apparently, I was wrong.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I am interested to know too. How Bond came to be and all that goes hand in hand with his childhood and in connection, his very parents who raised him. These two pages may shed a little light:
    http://woldnewtonresource.wikia.com/wiki/Andrew_Bond
    http://woldnewtonresource.wikia.com/wiki/Monique_Delacroix
  • forgotmyusernameforgotmyusername
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    Vickers armaments company representative
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    How the hell can John Pearson decide that Bond had an older brother all by himself? He didn't create the character, Fleming did! Anything Fleming says Bond is, he is, and everything that he mentions he isn't or doesn't have is out of the question.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    In the Young Bond books he's an Only Child. I consider the Young Bond books to be a prequel to the Fleming Canon.
  • myworldisenoughmyworldisenough
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    I've not read any young Bond books yet but I guess that's the best place to read more into the background of the character and possible mentions of his Father. I agree that only Fleming really had any right to tell us about Bonds background and family etc. I would prefer to know less about his past and family though. He is more appealing a character when we are teased about him being an orphan & not knowing much about his life before his service in MI6.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    myworldisenough wrote:
    I've not read any young Bond books yet but I guess that's the best place to read more into the background of the character and possible mentions of his Father. I agree that only Fleming really had any right to tell us about Bonds background and family etc. I would prefer to know less about his past and family though. He is more appealing a character when we are teased about him being an orphan & not knowing much about his life before his service in MI6.

    I see where you're coming from, but at the same rate, I feel that if I knew more about Bond and his past I would grow a bigger connection to him.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Murdock wrote:
    In the Young Bond books he's an Only Child. I consider the Young Bond books to be a prequel to the Fleming Canon.

    The young Bond books are canon as it turns out and what's especially good is that, it doesn't crap on what Fleming wrote. in fact, I consider Higson's wok on young Bond to be superior to all the other Bond writers bar Fleming of course.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    myworldisenough wrote:
    I've not read any young Bond books yet but I guess that's the best place to read more into the background of the character and possible mentions of his Father. I agree that only Fleming really had any right to tell us about Bonds background and family etc. I would prefer to know less about his past and family though. He is more appealing a character when we are teased about him being an orphan & not knowing much about his life before his service in MI6.

    I've only read Silverfin but what I remember is that
    Andrew would be away alot and James was very close to his mother and She told him that his father needed attention too so they go adventuring and never returned. James was 11 at the time and went to Eton then took a holiday to Scotland to live with his Aunt Charmin and Uncle Max. (Andrew's Brother who was a Spy.) for awhile.
    It's an excellent book. It's emotional and quite dark with the good details that Fleming is famous for. Read it and enjoy.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    All the young Bond novels are excellent, all equally brilliant and escapist fun without being kiddish. In fact I need to re-read them sometime soon.
  • JamesBondJamesBond
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    I have the story for that. Because I wrote it. Anybody wants to read it, just let me know.
  • myworldisenoughmyworldisenough
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    myworldisenough wrote:
    I've not read any young Bond books yet but I guess that's the best place to read more into the background of the character and possible mentions of his Father. I agree that only Fleming really had any right to tell us about Bonds background and family etc. I would prefer to know less about his past and family though. He is more appealing a character when we are teased about him being an orphan & not knowing much about his life before his service in MI6.

    I see where you're coming from, but at the same rate, I feel that if I knew more about Bond and his past I would grow a bigger connection to him.

    True. Being able to connect to a character especially on an emotional level can bring you closer to them and help understand their persona and character traits.

    With Bond part of his allure historically for me is he is somewhat a closed book with layers of buried emotions relating to his experiences and past, which are simmering under the surface. I am enjoying the glimpses we are being shown with Craig's Bond.
  • Agent005Agent005
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    forgotmyusername wrote:
    Vickers armaments company representative

    Right you are.
  • UmustbjockingUmustbjocking
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    he was a computer programmer
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    marymoss wrote:
    I was wondering that too. I assumed when I saw CR that Bond came from humble roots and then went to live with a rich relative when his parents died. However, apparently, I was wrong.
    James Bond may have never enjoyed his family's fortune. Maybe they were middle-class and the property was from a long gone time when the Bond family was wealthy. And Bond compared to his comrades at "Oxford or whatever" was not very rich. Or maybe Charmain Bond was a stingy aunt.
  • JamesBondJamesBond
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    Guys, I know the secret behind their death.
  • FromCanadaWithLoveFromCanadaWithLove Canada
    edited November 2012 Posts: 612
    Correct my if I'm wrong, but in Carte Blanche...
    ... I think they said Bond's parents were each spies as well, but for different countries. (Scotland and France?).

    They also died in a rock climbing accident when he was 7 (or was that 11), although Deaver suggests it was murder (ala The Living Daylights PTS)

    Obviously not fact, but I buy it.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    FromCanadaWithLove wrote:
    Correct my if I'm wrong, but in Carte Blanche...
    ... I think they said Bond's parents were each spies as well, but for different countries. (Scotland and France?).

    They also died in a rock climbing accident when he was 7 (or was that 11), although Deaver suggests it was murder (ala The Living Daylights PTS)

    Obviously not fact, but I buy it.
    I think Deaver had a lot of things messed up in that book. It has been so long since I last read it, but wasn't the agency Bond is working for in the novel not even MI6, but a completely different one entirely?
  • FromCanadaWithLoveFromCanadaWithLove Canada
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    FromCanadaWithLove wrote:
    Correct my if I'm wrong, but in Carte Blanche...
    ... I think they said Bond's parents were each spies as well, but for different countries. (Scotland and France?).

    They also died in a rock climbing accident when he was 7 (or was that 11), although Deaver suggests it was murder (ala The Living Daylights PTS)

    Obviously not fact, but I buy it.
    I think Deaver had a lot of things messed up in that book. It has been so long since I last read it, but wasn't the agency Bond is working for in the novel not even MI6, but a completely different one entirely?

    I believe it was a special division in MI6.
  • 00130013
    edited November 2012 Posts: 1,817
    FromCanadaWithLove wrote:
    Correct my if I'm wrong, but in Carte Blanche...
    ... I think they said Bond's parents were each spies as well, but for different countries. (Scotland and France?).

    They also died in a rock climbing accident when he was 7 (or was that 11), although Deaver suggests it was murder (ala The Living Daylights PTS)

    Obviously not fact, but I buy it.

    Really? That is one more reason for my rejection to read continuation novels, and also another one of why I love SF, they didn't change the history of Bond's parents and their death.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Is it ever alluded to in later Fleming novels that Bond's parents could be
    spies
    ?
  • FromCanadaWithLoveFromCanadaWithLove Canada
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    0013 wrote:
    FromCanadaWithLove wrote:
    Correct my if I'm wrong, but in Carte Blanche...
    ... I think they said Bond's parents were each spies as well, but for different countries. (Scotland and France?).

    They also died in a rock climbing accident when he was 7 (or was that 11), although Deaver suggests it was murder (ala The Living Daylights PTS)

    Obviously not fact, but I buy it.

    Really? That is one more reason for my rejection to read continuation novels, and also another one of why I love SF, they didn't change the history of Bond's parents and their death.

    I completely agree with you on Skyfall. It was brilliantly handled. I also like that he wasn't all sentimental about the house. He was ready to blow it to bits, and everything.


  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited November 2012 Posts: 28,694
    FromCanadaWithLove wrote:
    0013 wrote:
    FromCanadaWithLove wrote:
    Correct my if I'm wrong, but in Carte Blanche...
    ... I think they said Bond's parents were each spies as well, but for different countries. (Scotland and France?).

    They also died in a rock climbing accident when he was 7 (or was that 11), although Deaver suggests it was murder (ala The Living Daylights PTS)

    Obviously not fact, but I buy it.

    Really? That is one more reason for my rejection to read continuation novels, and also another one of why I love SF, they didn't change the history of Bond's parents and their death.

    I completely agree with you on Skyfall. It was brilliantly handled. I also like that he wasn't all sentimental about the house. He was ready to blow it to bits, and everything.


    Yeah, I though he would care, but I guess not. I think Craig's Bond is one who tries his hardest to keep as little as possible about him on record as he can manage. Maybe having parents that died young in his life made him so protective and guarded? A great connection to the way he acts in CR, and this film shows quite clearly why he may act in such a way. Bond acts reckless in CR maybe due to the fact that he had his childhood robbed from him and he never really got it back. As he began he acted like a kid when he is a rookie in MI6. Now with Skyfall we are seeing more and more of the professional Bond we know and love.
  • 00130013
    edited November 2012 Posts: 1,817
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Is it ever alluded to in later Fleming novels that Bond's parents could be
    spies
    ?

    Never! He did not.
    I think Fleming had too much aversion towards romanticism that he couldn't portray espionage as a family tradition...
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    How the hell can John Pearson decide that Bond had an older brother all by himself? He didn't create the character, Fleming did! Anything Fleming says Bond is, he is, and everything that he mentions he isn't or doesn't have is out of the question.

    Pearson also claimed that Bond was not born in Switzerland as other novelists' said - instead implying that he was born in Germany.

    As far as I can remember, someone told me that Pearson also implied that Monique Delacroix Bond and Andrew Bond's relationship was very rocky - she was having an affair and it was heavily suggested that their accident in the Alps was not so; Andrew Bond found out about the affair, killed Monique and then himself.

    Very sensational claims.

  • EllipsisEllipsis
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    How the hell can John Pearson decide that Bond had an older brother all by himself? He didn't create the character, Fleming did! Anything Fleming says Bond is, he is, and everything that he mentions he isn't or doesn't have is out of the question.

    I agree to a point, but Fleming also tends to make out that Bond is English, it's not until YOLT that he brings in his Scottish connection ( as a supposed "thank you" to Connery ...or Flemings own heriatge). Of course it is quite posible that 'M' got it wrong in his obituary, even though Fleming wrote it 'M' may not have all the facts.

    As much as I adore Fleming's books he is the one that confuses the issue over Bonds past. That piece in YOLT opens a whole new can of worms, other authors/sceen writers try their best to tie up loose ends. I can see where Pearson is coming from, Fleming is Bond so he has an older brother. Higson does superb job in his novels to get things back o track, so to speak.

    In the world of Bond there are alwys lots of questions that never have answers....except Andrew Bond was representitive the Vickers armaments firm.

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Ellipsis wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    How the hell can John Pearson decide that Bond had an older brother all by himself? He didn't create the character, Fleming did! Anything Fleming says Bond is, he is, and everything that he mentions he isn't or doesn't have is out of the question.

    I agree to a point, but Fleming also tends to make out that Bond is English, it's not until YOLT that he brings in his Scottish connection ( as a supposed "thank you" to Connery ...or Flemings own heriatge). Of course it is quite posible that 'M' got it wrong in his obituary, even though Fleming wrote it 'M' may not have all the facts.

    As much as I adore Fleming's books he is the one that confuses the issue over Bonds past. That piece in YOLT opens a whole new can of worms, other authors/sceen writers try their best to tie up loose ends. I can see where Pearson is coming from, Fleming is Bond so he has an older brother. Higson does superb job in his novels to get things back o track, so to speak.

    In the world of Bond there are alwys lots of questions that never have answers....except Andrew Bond was representitive the Vickers armaments firm.

    Sometimes it wasn't just his past either, he often changed the position of his physical features (his scar on his cheek being the prime example). Fleming just couldn't make up his mind sometimes.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote:
    Ellipsis wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    How the hell can John Pearson decide that Bond had an older brother all by himself? He didn't create the character, Fleming did! Anything Fleming says Bond is, he is, and everything that he mentions he isn't or doesn't have is out of the question.

    I agree to a point, but Fleming also tends to make out that Bond is English, it's not until YOLT that he brings in his Scottish connection ( as a supposed "thank you" to Connery ...or Flemings own heriatge). Of course it is quite posible that 'M' got it wrong in his obituary, even though Fleming wrote it 'M' may not have all the facts.

    As much as I adore Fleming's books he is the one that confuses the issue over Bonds past. That piece in YOLT opens a whole new can of worms, other authors/sceen writers try their best to tie up loose ends. I can see where Pearson is coming from, Fleming is Bond so he has an older brother. Higson does superb job in his novels to get things back o track, so to speak.

    In the world of Bond there are alwys lots of questions that never have answers....except Andrew Bond was representitive the Vickers armaments firm.

    Sometimes it wasn't just his past either, he often changed the position of his physical features (his scar on his cheek being the prime example). Fleming just couldn't make up his mind sometimes.

    Really? Examples of where he does this (especially relating to the scar)?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote:
    Ellipsis wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    How the hell can John Pearson decide that Bond had an older brother all by himself? He didn't create the character, Fleming did! Anything Fleming says Bond is, he is, and everything that he mentions he isn't or doesn't have is out of the question.

    I agree to a point, but Fleming also tends to make out that Bond is English, it's not until YOLT that he brings in his Scottish connection ( as a supposed "thank you" to Connery ...or Flemings own heriatge). Of course it is quite posible that 'M' got it wrong in his obituary, even though Fleming wrote it 'M' may not have all the facts.

    As much as I adore Fleming's books he is the one that confuses the issue over Bonds past. That piece in YOLT opens a whole new can of worms, other authors/sceen writers try their best to tie up loose ends. I can see where Pearson is coming from, Fleming is Bond so he has an older brother. Higson does superb job in his novels to get things back o track, so to speak.

    In the world of Bond there are alwys lots of questions that never have answers....except Andrew Bond was representitive the Vickers armaments firm.

    Sometimes it wasn't just his past either, he often changed the position of his physical features (his scar on his cheek being the prime example). Fleming just couldn't make up his mind sometimes.

    Really? Examples of where he does this (especially relating to the scar)?

    My apologies - not the scar on his cheek, but the one on his hand given to him by SMERSH in the CR novel. Yes as far as I can remember, and I may be mis-remembering, the scar tends to fluctuate between the back of his his left and right hands between novels. OHMSS mentions it to be on the right while MR places it on the left, something along those lines. I'll be re-reading them all from CR to the end after Christmas, so I'll see if I'm right or just plain crazy after that!
  • danielcraigbonddanielcraigbond Suspended
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    marymoss wrote:
    I was wondering that too. I assumed when I saw CR that Bond came from humble roots and then went to live with a rich relative when his parents died. However, apparently, I was wrong.

    didnt casino royale establish bond was an orphan on the scene between vesper and james on the train ?
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