Timothy Dalton or Daniel Craig?

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  • Then it is strange that you should pick one of the statements that were stated least emphatically as an example. I think you would find several more emphatic statements, both myself and others in this discussion.

    You think yours was somehow less emphatic?

  • The one you commented on would be on the level of an average film critic.
  • The one you commented on would be on the level of an average film critic.

    Well, you're certainly free to think so.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Timothy Dalton is 7.25 % better at playing Bond than Daniel Craig. This is a FACT!!!



    :P
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    I really like Craig, but it's Timothy Dalton all the way for me.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Timothy Dalton is 7.25 % better at playing Bond than Daniel Craig. This is a FACT!!!
    Just kidding, it's my estimation, not an actual fact.
    :-\"
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I'm 95% certain that Dalton would consider SF far superior to LTK.

    Skyfall IS better than Licence to kill, but that does not say a lot, as LTK was just an orgie of violence. tI lacked the charm of Connery and Moores Bond.

    Again, Dalton was not going for a Bond like Connery and Moore. In fact, Mr Broccoli said in his book that Dalton wanted to be respected for conveying Ian Fleming's Bond. He was his own man. Moore was nothing like Connery either.

    LTK was violent but then again CR was not exactly Mary Poppins either. Did you see the bottomless chair scene? That was very sinister. And both LTK as well as CR are true to the violence in the books.

    Both Bonds show that his life is on the edge and any stupidity leads to a nasty death. This is why Craig and Dalton's Bonds are brutal men. Kill or be killed attitudes.
  • chrisisall wrote:
    Timothy Dalton is 7.25 % better at playing Bond than Daniel Craig. This is a FACT!!!



    :P

    Check your math, mate. I think you failed to carry over a seven somewhere. :-P

  • I Prefere Daniel Craig, Skyfall is absoluty fantastic!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Check your math, mate. I think you failed to carry over a seven somewhere. :-P
    At least, on this thread, I think we can all agree Dalton & Craig are BOTH at the very top of a great group of Bonds...
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    I agree Craig and Dalton are at the top of the list of actors. I think better 'scripts, maybe directors and producers included in that praise. Craig's Bond is a more intense character as I believe Fleming's original storyline of the Bond character was intended. I have grown up with Bond films and enjoyed them throughout the years, however, I think Skyfall has been the best to date.
  • chrisisall wrote:
    Check your math, mate. I think you failed to carry over a seven somewhere. :-P
    At least, on this thread, I think we can all agree Dalton & Craig are BOTH at the very top of a great group of Bonds...
    I would very much agree with this!
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    I admire Dalton but his Bond films lack the class of Craig's performance and Bond films (you can see Dalton and Bronson would have given their right arm for a film like CR or SF). Craig for me is the only Actor to rival Connery cause he made Bond cool again and has given Bond a different layer even Connery never went to. Dalton needs to be admired for wanting to take Bond where Craig has but the script and films never matched his ambition.
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
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    lahaine wrote:
    I admire Dalton but his Bond films lack the class of Craig's performance and Bond films (you can see Dalton and Bronson would have given their right arm for a film like CR or SF). Craig for me is the only Actor to rival Connery cause he made Bond cool again and has given Bond a different layer even Connery never went to. Dalton needs to be admired for wanting to take Bond where Craig has but the script and films never matched his ambition.

    When it comes to giving the character different layers, Dalton got there first. So much so that audiences could not handle it. As for Bond's cool, the Roger Moore era overdosed on the character being cool as in suave and charming. So the Dalton era had to address his roots as in those of the Fleming books.

    I will agree though that Dalton was hampered in his ambition and the legal battle of 6 years caused the franchise to hit the hand brakes on development and give us a safer traditionalised take for the 90's.

    Craig has elements that are not exclusively Fleming. His Bond is the ice coldest of the 6 and even in the books he was not that cold. But it works for the modern age.

    Craig has elements of a man who is in the special forces like the SAS.

    It took the franchise 44 years of trial and error before they could even attempt to usher in the Craig style we have now. And ironically it came from seeing what a franchise like Bourne was doing that Bond was not. Not two ways about it.

    Had Craig got the same scripts as Dalton, his approach would be out of place. But for his time, Dalton was way ahead. Craig has the benefit of looking back and seeing what experiments worked in the past best. Craig's era was very well calculated no matter what anyone says.

  • Tough one for me. But I'm going with Daniel Craig.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 42
    Dalton all the way.

    The thing that always impressed me about him was his insistence on being faithful to the character's literary roots. As a result, he was the first - and so far, IMHO, only - actor to really convey Bond's complex, often contradictory, nature.

    Daniel Craig has come mighty close to matching Dalton's portrayal - not surprising, when you consider that he too insisted on re-reading Fleming before playing the role.

    But, at the end of the day, Timothy Dalton IS - and always will be - Ian Fleming's James Bond.
  • Dalton all the way.

    The thing that always impressed me about him was his insistence on being faithful to the character's literary roots. As a result, he was the first - and so far, IMHO, only - actor to really convey Bond's complex, often contradictory, nature.

    Daniel Craig has come mighty close to matching Dalton's portrayal - not surprising, when you consider that he too insisted on re-reading Fleming before playing the role.

    But, at the end of the day, Timothy Dalton IS - and always will be - Ian Fleming's James Bond.
    I think this about Craig. :) That said, I very much agree with you; I find Dalton and Craig are the two actors who have most closely portrayed the more nuanced and complex character of the books.

  • AliAli
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    Craig. I just never warmed to Dalton. I know he's the closest to the literary Bond, but I prefer Craig's more emotional Bond....and I can never get Prince Barin out of my mind when I see Dalton, or The Rocketeer.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    But, at the end of the day, Timothy Dalton IS - and always will be - Ian Fleming's James Bond.
    To me as well.
    I like all the actors, but Tim's the closest.
  • I love them both. When "The Living Daylights" came out, I was blowned away. Dalton was the perfect Bond; smart, resourceful, very good with his fists, intense in every way. Who could have played, better than Dalton, the "you should have brought Lilies" scene?
    Licence to kill confirm my first impression. I thought he would be Bond for at least a decade. And then...oh well...

    Casino Royale hit me like a garbage truck would. Even if Craig's Bond was in some way out of character (killing without trying to get information first for instance), he was totally awesome! When Bond entered the embassy going after Mollaka, wrecking havok all the way, right there I thought "this is one of the best movie sequence I had ever seen".
    The shower scene, the defibrilator scene, those were all very powerful stuff for me.

    I went to see Living Daylights and Casino Royale 4 times each in theater. Two of the best 10 movies I've ever seen.

    So, don't ask me to choose between Timothy Dalton and Daniel Craig. I love them both.
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    Daniel Craig, he has humungous sex appeal and charisma on screen and from the get go connected with the movie going audience. Both men have the acting chops and took the franchise to another level. Regardless of who has the better script etc, you still need a lead actor to suck you in and command your attention and Daniel has done that despite the vitriolic attempts to undermine him when he came on board.
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    hisqos wrote:
    Daniel Craig, he has humungous sex appeal and charisma on screen and from the get go connected with the movie going audience. Both men have the acting chops and took the franchise to another level. Regardless of who has the better script etc, you still need a lead actor to suck you in and command your attention and Daniel has done that despite the vitriolic attempts to undermine him when he came on board.

    Plus he's made the Bond Franchise Mega again after years of disappointment. Dalton i will praise for wanting to turn thins a bit more dark but i don't think personally think he came Close to Any of Craig's Bond films but at least he tried unlike Moore and Brosnan.
  • LicencedToKilt69007LicencedToKilt69007 Belgium, Wallonia
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    Both are great actors. But Dalton did certainly better thanks to his class (I don't mention Craig's arrogance), his little part of romance still different from Moore's lover attitude, his "pro-side" (I could easily imagine him as a real spy - even not super spy yet ; he didn't punched and fought like Connery, Brosnan and Craig did, except against Nekros), his serious-not-grave style while he had some madness in his act that makes him one of the closest to the original character but also discredits him, for me at least, as a great British gentleman, thing Ian Fleming demanded (cf : Moore or Connery in Dr No, then Connery approved)... The Living Daylights, is his best James Bond film. By far. But his best act (thinking about being an actor) is in Licence To Kill.

    Craig does have the most badass scenes that ever been yet, he's such a stuntman in addition to being an actor. He has a cold (if not frozen) act, very pro (as if he caught both best parts of Connery and Dalton) secret agent style. But he definitely lacks of style, class to play 007 as we knew him, and his wit isn't developped enough. Furthermore, he seems not to care of that part. It's pity, until QoS. Lastly, he did not brought his own "Bond identity" as his predecessors (except Lazenby, who struggled but did stunts well) which it doesn't appear too obvious in the good "Skyfall". His best film, indeed.
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    I actually feel DC is much better suited to ensemble acting situations. He is a good foil to other more flambouyant actors. For me Dalton is the better Bond.
  • ...and his wit isn't developed enough. Furthermore, he seems not to care of that part.
    And this is part of what I love about his performances in the role; Fleming's Bond wasn't a jokester, either. He wasn't tossing out one liners (at least not until John Gardner got a hold of the character).

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    Getafix wrote:
    I actually feel DC is much better suited to ensemble acting situations. He is a good foil to other more flambouyant actors. For me Dalton is the better Bond.

    800 million would disagree with you ;)
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    I like Dalton's Bond more than Craig's whom i get is just starting out but that impulsive hotheadeded approach is not for me, while i appreciate Dalton's seasoned pro more.There's a great deleted scene in the LTK dvd where he has a cig and is drinking a glass in the hotel room while watching the tv that was just cool.Dalton was terribly under-rated. Two average films but not his fault. Always thought he was closest to the character that Fleming actually wrote.
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    Dalton12 wrote:
    I like Dalton's Bond more than Craig's whom i get is just starting out but that impulsive hotheadeded approach is not for me, while i appreciate Dalton's seasoned pro more.There's a great deleted scene in the LTK dvd where he has a cig and is drinking a glass in the hotel room while watching the tv that was just cool.Dalton was terribly under-rated. Two average films but not his fault. Always thought he was closest to the character that Fleming actually wrote.

    It's funny. I've never read Fleming and yet I just appreciated the Dalts right from the start. But for me there is not this huge gulf between Connery, Moore and Dalton that others see. Obviously he was different, but still in the same overall tradition. I think it was the Cubby magic that just made all the films (almost all) up to LTK 'feel' like proper Bond movies. It all went to pot with GE and (IMO) has never fully recovered, although DC was a big step forward.
  • acoppolaacoppola London Ealing not far from where Bob Simmons lived
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    Getafix wrote:
    Dalton12 wrote:
    I like Dalton's Bond more than Craig's whom i get is just starting out but that impulsive hotheadeded approach is not for me, while i appreciate Dalton's seasoned pro more.There's a great deleted scene in the LTK dvd where he has a cig and is drinking a glass in the hotel room while watching the tv that was just cool.Dalton was terribly under-rated. Two average films but not his fault. Always thought he was closest to the character that Fleming actually wrote.

    It's funny. I've never read Fleming and yet I just appreciated the Dalts right from the start. But for me there is not this huge gulf between Connery, Moore and Dalton that others see. Obviously he was different, but still in the same overall tradition. I think it was the Cubby magic that just made all the films (almost all) up to LTK 'feel' like proper Bond movies. It all went to pot with GE and (IMO) has never fully recovered, although DC was a big step forward.

    I agree @Getafix There was no huge gulf between Connery, Moore and Dalton. All three looking different will feel different naturally like you said. You are right about the Cubby magic too.

    With Cubby's passing the Bond films became different entities. I assume that is down to studio pressure as well. Bond formula in John Glen's book is not the whole answer to what makes a Bond film. I think the older films had a style that set them apart from other movies.

    Nowadays, you see elements of other films in the Bond series than ever before. But back when I saw TLD, it still had a style that could only be Bond and nothing else.

  • Getafix wrote:
    It's funny. I've never read Fleming and yet I just appreciated the Dalts right from the start. But for me there is not this huge gulf between Connery, Moore and Dalton that others see.
    There is less of a gap between Dalton and Connery for me; Moore has always been my outlier.

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