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Why they didn't start with Casino Royale in the movies?

CarlosAojCarlosAoj
edited January 2013 in Bond Movies Posts: 5
Hello, guys. As you can see, I'm a new member on this forum and new on the Bond's universe either. So, I'm sorry for my english, it's very bad, by the way. A few months ago, I started to read the books of 007 written by Ian Fleming. They're awesome, I have to say, but there's something in their story that I'd have liked on the first movies by Broccoli, the continuity. Who read Casino Royale knows that the final has a great cliff hanger, which remains and has its continuity in Live and Let Die. So, I ask you, guys. Why they didn't start with Casino Royale in the movies and then released the rest in sequence? Thank you, guys. I've been reading the comment of this forum and I really like it. Bye!

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  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    Because Casino Royale was the only book EoN didn't have the rights to back in 1961.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited January 2013 Posts: 2,722
    Someone else owned the rights - it was only one of two stories that broccoli and saltzman didn't own outright (the other being Thunderball)
  • CarlosAojCarlosAoj
    Posts: 5
    But another Casino Royale was filmed. If I'm right, on 1954, with Barry Nelson as Bond. So, these guys had the rights at that time?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,187
    CarlosAoj wrote:
    But another Casino Royale was filmed. If I'm right, on 1954, with Barry Nelson as Bond. So, these guys had the rights at that time?

    It was made for TV and yes, the rights were in the hands of other folks back then. In fact, the rights to the novel had been shifted around a lot before they ended up in the hands of Charles K. Feldman.
  • CarlosAojCarlosAoj
    Posts: 5
    DarthDimi wrote:
    CarlosAoj wrote:
    But another Casino Royale was filmed. If I'm right, on 1954, with Barry Nelson as Bond. So, these guys had the rights at that time?

    It was made for TV and yes, the rights were in the hands of other folks back then. In fact, the rights to the novel had been shifted around a lot before they ended up in the hands of Charles K. Feldman.

    Got it. Thank you a lot, guys. :)
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    It was down to not owning the rights like mentioned above. Still? The film series has not done all that bad! ;)
  • DobleCero7DobleCero7
    edited January 2013 Posts: 23
    Carlos, long ago I read something about Fleming trying to sell some scripts to a television network. The deal never came true, however there were several ideas that, because of proper payments, ended up as property of the TV network. It was about that time that Fleming wanted to sell James Bond to the small screen-- and maybe that's how CBS ended up with the rights for Casino Royale. During that time, one of the scripts featured a spy character named Solo, for some kind of adventure in Jamaica. Solo not only ended up as one of the characters in Goldfinger, but also, after the success of Bond in the early 60s, another network owned these scripts written by Fleming, and it became "The Man From Uncle" ("El Agente de Cipol" in latin america,) with its main character, Napoleon Solo (played by Robert Vaughn).
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
    Posts: 2,632
    ^Not completely true. Most of Fleming's script ideas were edited and became the 'For Your Eyes Only' short story collection and Fleming helped Norman Felton by creating the ideas of Napolean Solo but backed out after the request of EON.
  • DobleCero7DobleCero7
    Posts: 23
    AgentJamesBond007 wrote:
    ^Not completely true. Most of Fleming's script ideas were edited and became the 'For Your Eyes Only' short story collection and Fleming helped Norman Felton by creating the ideas of Napolean Solo but backed out after the request of EON.

    Thank you. That was the piece of information I can remember now.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    DobleCero7 wrote:
    Carlos, long ago I read something about Fleming trying to sell some scripts to a television network. The deal never came true, however there were several ideas that, because of proper payments, ended up as property of the TV network. It was about that time that Fleming wanted to sell James Bond to the small screen-- and maybe that's how CBS ended up with the rights for Casino Royale. During that time, one of the scripts featured a spy character named Solo, for some kind of adventure in Jamaica. Solo not only ended up as one of the characters in Goldfinger, but also, after the success of Bond in the early 60s, another network owned these scripts written by Fleming, and it became "The Man From Uncle" ("El Agente de Cipol" in latin america,) with its main character, Napoleon Solo (played by Robert Vaughn).
    AgentJamesBond007 wrote:
    ^Not completely true. Most of Fleming's script ideas were edited and became the 'For Your Eyes Only' short story collection and Fleming helped Norman Felton by creating the ideas of Napolean Solo but backed out after the request of EON.
    This is all rather interesting. Thanks for sharing, gents.
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