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It's an agree to disagree situation. I could never put SF in the same league as early Bond or even highly enjoyable later entries like TLD. I don't personally think it was even up to the same standard as CR or QoS. Neither am I a Moore hater either. Give me Spy, FYEO or even OP over SF any day. There's more tesnion and genuine drama in the last half hour of OP than the whole ponderous two and a half of SF.
Just a DB5 with front mounted machine guns.
I guess. I just didn't feel that the dark undertones sat well with the constant (cheap) jokes.
Also, I got bored quickly of them continuously calling Daniel Craig old... he only started 6 years ago xD
Hm, that sounds kinda cool even to me :)
Let us also consider that he has prior service before he became a 00, and we have no idea what horrors he saw at a younger age. The great thing about Dan's Bond is, you can see his dark history in his face and eyes.
True. That really makes his portrayal of the character so believable.
100% agree! :)
One film, but it took many years to make. Think of all Bond has seen (as far as missions and the like) in that time? And being that Bond is so good, it doesn't take long to get the ropes for him, eh? ;)
nope you are wrong sorry it was the right thing to do sorry if you don;'t like it but it make sense.........watch it again
I'm not quite sure if there is a definitive right or wrong here.
SPOILER ALERT!
Bond takes M to Skyfall to lure Silva out of hiding so Bond can eliminate him. I think this development in the plot can be viewed in two distinct ways.
A) He wanted to use M as bait to lure out Silva so he chose a less conventional, less secure safe house. Skyfall looked undefended so Silva would think there were no hidden MI6 army waiting to get him. M died which proved Bond's decision was the wrong one.
or
B) He took M to a far-fetched location which seemed totally inappropriate with almost zero protection. His location was the wrong choice because M was killed. Had he taken her to a more secure safe house it's possible she would have lived.
Take your pick!
Ultimately, Bond's choice of safe house did seem a bit daft or badly thought out because there was little protection and M died. I don't know if the producers/writers were trying to make a point that Craig's Bond was basically a fool or incompetent in his job, but you could come to that conclusion.
Anyway, at the start of the film Bond IS in his prime (up until when he gets shot).
Obviously this is what has proved to be the case - that people did find it interesting and engaging.
They have nicely set up the ground for a Bond JUST on mission, so maybe stop the moaning.
anyway here's my fan review of skyfall -
IT STUNK!
The plot and story/writing completely fell apart once Silva was introduced to the film on the island.
Casino Royale makes skyfall look like a grade-B action cartoon .
No, I would argue they thought it was easier to execute, not necessarily more interesting. It's much more of a struggle tackling a story about a man at the top of his game, but the rewards would be twofold. Having your protagonist down and out within 15 mins, allows you to chart safe passage across the ensuing 2 hours of redemption. The real test will be how they tackle Bond 24. I'm very much looking forward to them pushing the character, but not in a direction that feels borrowed, or obvious from the outset.
Bond running on thin ice in the middle of winter while try to rescue his boss?
point is skyfall lacked creativity and was a sloppy attempt at trying to mimic past outings. The movie was so campy it became unbearable, I mean come on how many one liners and jokes was Daniel Craig fed in skyfall? it became so repetitive and out of place. I What happened to the Casino Royale / QoS Daniel Craig that was serious ? in skyfall we get a poor attempt of a constant quiping Bond constantly trying to remind us of the past. I'm sorry but skyfall is extremely overrated, and in time people will see it for what it really is, a subpar action flick.
Just let them rant. They are flogging a dead horse. Let them enjoy themselves with their new comrades. :D This film has nothing to prove anymore. The audiences have spoken and in a very clear way, I would think. Nothing left to say.
lol, amazing post! I laughed all the way through at how true that is!
And as for Skyfall's popularity... popularity does not prove (or disprove) quality. Just look at pop music!
Skyfall was quite clearly designed to appeal to casual movie-goers who are easily wowed by cheap tricks and jokes. I barely even consider it a real movie.
Actually, this takes away your credibility. After all, since the post you agree with doesn't talk about acting, cinematography, music, ... but only about jokes and action, I'd say cheap tricks and jokes is the about the most sophisticated level to which the both of you judge a film.
Sorry pal. I like SF but that doesn't give you the right to look down on me. Oh, and nor does it give you the right to look down on 98 % of our forum members.
How many classic films (from the 1940s and 50s) have you seen?
Give me some examples of how Skyfall was mimicing past outings in an uncreativeand sloppy manner, and how Bond wasn't serious in this film compared to CR and QoS? He looked pretty damn serious when he:
*Finds his colleagues dead in Turkey
*Was chasing Patrice for the drive
*Laying around in a drunk and pill addled mess
*Saw part of his MI6 in ruin
*Shoats at Patrice for answers
*He takes his exams and fails miserably (especially when his shoulder acted up)
*Meets Silva
*Sees Berenice coldly beaten and then executed
*Knows Silva has escaped and when he is chasing him in the chaos
*Knows that M may die if he can't get to her in time at the inquiry
*He races to save M to the tune of Newman and the spoken word of Tennyson by her voice
*Fights off Silva and his men to protect the members and M
*Sets up traps and fortifies defenses in Skyfall
*He takes down Silva's men
*He holds M as she dies and then tearfully kisses her forehead
Just a few I thought I would point out considering it is likely you barely tuned in to the film. :)
This. I didn't think it was as bad as @Getafix and others, I thought it was good and in my top 10, but I don't think it was the awesome politically challenging best Bond ever masterpiece the majority of members here seem to have seen.
I think OP probably has the most tension of any film in the series in the last half an hour. Shame everybody misses that and focuses on the clownsuit (which I think works really well).
How old are you? Seems pretty childish saying "its a masterpiece so if u don't like it you're not a bond fan" and "nope you're wrong you just don't understand the film"
Then why it's full of references to previous movies, risking that many "casual movie-goers" didn't understand them?
But they were the really obvious references that anyone who hasn't been living in a cave for the last 50 years will understand. It just felt like playing to the crowd.
Similarly the "gags" are hardly new. Remember the "I don't give a damn" line in Casino Royale?
Good point, I hadn't even thought about that. Though, I think the scene would have been more interesting scenically if the chase actually took place on the streets of London rather than in the tubes, as was the plan for OHMSS.
That's a joke, right?
I may be in the minority in cosidering SF average Bond at best, and Craig the worst Bond, but like anyone else whom has invested as much time and money in their Bond merchandise collection as I have, I am still a fan. True Fleming? I have various editions of all the Fleming books, so yes. The point i'm tryimng to make, is that SF is not the be all and end all of what makes a true Bond fan, no Bond film is.