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Exactly
I take your referring to that God-Awful Macau fight scene. Which was completely redundant in that part of the story and packed no intensity whatsoever, to see Bond raise his fists in that awkward manner was insulting to the action scenes that have come before.
My sentiments exactly.
I love the Bourne fight scenes, but the editing is sub par, and a lot of the shots go too far out of frame. This scene (and many other fighting pieces in the same series) are like QoS's worst shaky cam moments mixed with Nolan's most ill composed fighting shots in some of his films. The editing is too fast and the composition of the shots are often too far out of frame. Even QoS was better than this as far as in its presentation of the action, and in CR and Skyfall you didn't have any of this sub-par editing and could see what was going on each and every shot. You can rant and rave all day about how Bond takes inspiration from Bourne, but at the end of the day 007 does the action way better overall; even when the presentation is at its worst (like some of QoS) it is better than scenes like this.
My opinion on Shaky cam:
There's no point of action if you loose the intensity of it.
There is no point in action if you can't bloody see what is going on either, something Bourne isn't the best at.
That's a matter of perspective .literally :P
I can understand everything perfectly fine in QoS and in Bourne Ultimatum , If others can't keep up , well there's nothing I can do about it .
Mate, If you also can there was no need of injecting this
If as Bond fans we should always find a need to express our superiority or dominance over other franchises, that's a sad remark on us isn't it ?
Instead we should be constantly analysing our competitors and discuss how we can 'one up' them.
You make no sense. Analyzing our competitors to get an advantage or "one-up" them as you put it is the same thing as showing our superiority and dominance. Aside from all that, that wasn't what I was saying at all.
Exactly! The way Bond raised his fists was a huge wtf? moment for me. During production when we heard there was going to be a fight in a pit in a casino! With Komodo dragons! I thought that this would be one of the most epic and intense fights if the series, after all, the premise if the fight sounds so Fleming-esque but what we got was a short, extremely disappointing fight that was played more for laughs and gags. Such a set piece was horrendously wasted.
One up them means to improve what they have achieved on , What's so hard to comprehend in that my friend ? :)
My problem is when some people engage in this close-Minded discussion.
Where in Bond is the Best, fullstop.
Exactly!
The way the Chinese opponent lifted Bond and just layed him on the floor, I was like 'wtf'.
Yep, That's my favourite too.
It had everything you would want in a Bond fight especially what sold me on that fight was the sense you get of Bond frantically trying to save Vesper from that Machete wielding Macho with the beautiful tense action score in the background.
Casino Royale had quite a number of good action scene ,
The contrast of the nimble finesse of the parkour man , as opposed to the Brute strength of Bond played out superbly on screen.
Dude,
Its the scene in the Macau Casino as soon as Bond was going to leave.
When he stands up, after being hurled into the Komodo pit. He takes a strange 'put em up' type stance.
I've heard so much of this,
I think I will give it a watch !
The only thing that has put me off watching it was this is that I always had the impression ,its just all action and no story.
Oh well, I guess the whole point of the movie is action. nevertheless I'll give it a watch.
Personally I a more a fan of action with class ,Something I feel Bond, Bourne, Die Hard and Taken deliver in Spades.
Best description so far ! :))
Roger Moore could've made it work, the beautiful thing about his era is that you have no problem going along with the absurtity because it's all so much fun and Moore is so likeable.
In fact it feels like it's out of a Moore movie. I think in SF it just feels jarring, it doesn't suit the movie at all.
Anyway, I think Craigs best fight was the fight on the stairs, by far. The fight with Slate was good too and the bathroom scrap was nice and brutal.
There were humour, dark one, in Casino Royale and QOS but people don't seem to see it, so they were crying begging for Pierce Brosnan and Roger Moore's humour to return, even among Bond's fans. So we got what we deserve. Sadly for some people like me and you.
Yeah, I saw the raid at the cinema and it was one of the best cinema experiences of my life as the whole audience were reacting to the awesome action. Needless to say, I bought it the day it came out on dvd. I also started a thread a while back on it and included some info on the sequel.
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/2639/the-raid#Item_11
@thelivingroyale, I agree that the Macau fight felt Moore-esque and sadly I think that's what Mendes was going for but it didn't work because Craig's style is different and the action should have reflected it.
@maxcraig
You can add me in that list.
Don't get me wrong the humour in Skyfall is excellent. But as a matter of personal preference I have a slight affinity towards a more darker sense of humour than the lighter sense which was injected in Skyfall.
The people who didn't like the brutal fight scenes aren't the same people who missed them in SF. You're lumping two different groups of people together.
Most of the Bourne comments were due to the editing in QOS.
I concur.
again, by a different set of people. :)
You've missed the point of @Brady's post. Bourne's fights aren't a problem, if anything, they're more than suitable in style for Bond as that sort of CQC technique is standard for any credible spy/agent/operative. The adverse issue Bond fans have, however, as @Brady expressed us the editing and to a lesser extent the shakey cam. When you can't see what's going on, it's frustrating because it's hard to appreciate but the fighting stule and technique itself is something we champion. CR delivered on this beautifully and with QoS, although they delivered on the brutality of the fights, the hack and slash editing which was a poor attempt at aping Bond wasn't largely appreciated and for good reason.