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I really don't distinguish between the Sean-Bonds. They exist in a rarefied air.
DAF is just my personal favourite, probably because it's the first Bond I saw, and as it was so campy-dark and brash and boasting such a bizarre cast of fun-dangerous characters, that I became hooked on Bond forever.
And the prize for greatest overstatement in history goes to.....?
DAF is great fun but flawless? Really?
If it was a diamond they would sell it in Ratners not Tiffany.
I suggest you expand your cinematic knowledge. As far as I consider myself a big Bond fan, I don't think all Connery movies could be named as the best films ever. They probably are the best spy-fantasy movies or even the best adventure movies... but not even FRWL could be on top of The Godfather or other classics alike.
I mean, they could be your favorites of all time, but to say there are the best ever is an excessive statement.
I shutter to think what his Batman script was like.
It's a subjective argument, so there is no definitive list of the greatest films ever. You definitely wouldn't find any Godfather on my list, not even in a Coppola's best ranking.
I do rank them the best films ever made. With much love and respect of course to Vito, Michael, Sonny, Luca Brazi and friends, and of course Coppola's estimable filmmaking talents.
How can anyone be upset by that? :-) Well said @timmer.
Haven't read all this thread but let's not get carried away with dissing too many of Bond's most iconic moments. We fanatical fans are few in numbers, the rest of the public remember Bond for a couple of dozen or so famous moments. They may not be wll loved by us, but let's accept that Bond is only still with us because everyone has supported the films, not just the hardcore. And they have loved the excesses of the films. We should embrace those moments as well..............apart from the parasurfing in DAD.
Of course.
Preposterous.
Bad luck Citizen Kane, all of Hitchcocks output, The Third Man, Schindlers, Goodfellas - you've all just been beaten by the film with the fat bloke in a toupee and the elephant playing the slots.
Presumably the 7th best film ever made is NSNA closely followed by Zardoz and even The Avengers? Are you Sean's agent or something?
But it's still an opinion.
And I've seen other Bond fans here that also claim that their favorite films are non-Bond... Creasy with Munich and Brady with Casablanca, if I'm not wrong.
Bottom line, perhaps the thing I found hard to understand was to put DAF or even YOLT as the best movies ever, but I wouldn't disagree if someone said they were his favorite movies ever...
Precisely. Theres a difference between saying something is your favourite and claiming it as the 'best film ever made'.
Surely Timmer cant believe this statement in his heart of hearts. Can he?
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/1266/your-five-favorite-films/p8
Some of the best hours I have spent writing. :)
EG- I love the first three Rambo films and they're 3 of my favourite films, but I don't think they're anywhere near the best films of all time.
I also think that FRWL, OHMSS and CR are probably the best films of the Bond series. But none of them (except maybe OHMSS, not sure where I last ranked that) are in my top 5 Bond films.
Indeed. You have those iconic Bond films that most would hail as some of the best, but a fair portion of us have in our Top 5 some others that wouldn't even make it to the Top 10 or Top 15 for others in terms of what is the 'best,' just what is a favorite.
I agree. FRWL I would consider the best Bond movie ever, but TB is my favorite.
And this is even more true for literature. Some of the greatest writers I can't read, or I can but it is a great pain, but I have to admit they are great writers.
I hated the same thing when it was Brosnan.
Maybe I have just been unlucky to, more than once, hear some uninformed young teens. But it is irksome. (hate might be too strong a word)
That is not so far from the truth actually. You can find the script on the internet Brady. Be warned: it is nauseating.
Welcome to my life, and a good proportion of my generation. How many my age are completely ignorant of Bogie, Sinatra, ELVIS, Lauren Bacall, Ms. Hepburn, Cary Grant and more is just beyond me...
Thankfully, there are those that join me in keeping the memories of the true greats alive!
It can't be worse than the Batman script Aronofsky was going to film.
Can it?!
I haven't read Aronofsky's script, but the thing is, well, bad.
I never thought the dialogues were that smart. Or smart at all. For a spoof, maybe yes, but for a Bond movie? And the drastic change of tone! I do like LALD, but overall Mankiewicz's script really brought a serious drop of quality.
Same here. OHMSS, FRWL, CR and SF are examples of great dialogue, but what Makiewicz brought hasn't impressed me yet. I don't appreciate anyone who makes Bond into a celebrity figure and spoof of himself in many respects.
1. Not having a worthy follow-up to OHMSS. They could have made something great out of DAF.
2. Roger's clown outfit in Octopussy.
3. John Glen - IMO, Glen was a hack. Even Dalton allegedly entered an argument with him because of the direction he was taking LTK into.
4. The tarantula scene in DN.
5. The use of Sophie Marceau's character - Elektra King - in TWINE. Renard came off as too much of a glorified henchman. I think I would have liked it better if Elektra came off as more manipulative than she actually did, so that we had a better idea that Elektra King was the main antagonist of the film, as opposed to someone playing second fiddle to Renard.
6. The writing for Dalton's two outings as Bond being still under the influence of Moore's presence.
7. Overuse of gadgets. They had gadgets in WWII, but they more practical-minded and less fantastical than what we were used to in the majority of the Bond films. I wouldn't have minded the gadgets as much, so long as they consisted of a select few in each film and were practical gadgets that served as actual plot devices, not just mere gimmicks that were used for thrills. You know, gadgets that Bond needed to rely on when all other means failed him - not just gadgets that he was using optionally to make things look cool. Examples include the aforementioned invisible car and the jet pack from Thunderball.
8. People assuming that Craig was the first Bond to get down and dirty. In fact, Connery was actually the first Bond to get down and dirty (in the first film of the series, no less), because we notice that his knuckles are sore and bruised when he tries to knock some sense into the false chauffeur. Dalton was another Bond who got down and dirty WAY before Craig.
9. The Tarzan scream and whistle noise from Octopussy & TMWTGG, respectively.
10. David Arnold's soundtracks: they are starting to sound as if they are pieces of generic stock music for action thrillers.
Worked better with Connery I thought, but that's not really saying anything, as everything works better with Sean. Hamilton at least got Rog to play Bond fairly straight for his two films.
Fun Rog evolved later with the Gilbert/Wood films.
Yes its strange that all the wit of DAF seems to ...(Mr Wint pause for effect)... die in his other outings.
Both LALD and TMWTGG have some good lines but not as relentlessly as DAF which is probably the wittiest Bond film.
I wonder was he urged to tone it down after DAF? Or more that he was urged to turn it up for DAF after the misery (both inside the film and outside it) of OHMSS and LALD and TMWTGG are just a slight return to equilibrium?
OK the JW scenes are supposed to be funny but they are slapstick rather than the wit of 'Alimentary Dr Leiter' or 'As long as the collars and cuffs match'.
I still have a soft spot for "I'm now aiming precisely at your groin. So speak or forever hold your piece"