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  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    Gerard wrote:
    Not so much a theory than a misconception:

    "The pre-title scenes have nothing to do with the main plot of the movies"

    Well, way back in the old forum, I proved that the majority of the pre-title scenes had something to do with the plot of the movie, and that the ones that didn't could be counted on the fingers of one hand (GF, TB, FYEO, OP, CR '06).

    It's less than that, actually. For TB, isn't the fight with Bouvar the reason Connery goes to the spa? And with CR '06, which is Bond's origin story, isn't his becoming a 00 agent somewhat important as well?
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,124
    Another one I read from time to time: Bond's parents have been murdered, or the plot of Bond 24, 25, etc. will explore this.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    002 wrote:
    Simple James Bond is a timelord with his memory erased by the time lords and exiled to earth with a mind lock on his memories of Gallifrey or his "previous life" though perhaps he does have some sort of method of traveling to diffrent peroids (ill explain that below)

    his background about his parents are fabrications created by the timelords; the memories of Kincade are the results of Indoctrination by the timelords (new memories)
    basically it explains how Bond has changed faces- time travel can explain that the Connery drastically changes from You Only Live Twice to Diamonds are Forever and then to Never Say Never Agian...

    Connery's Bond timeline is From Dr. No- You Only Live Twice (he then departs- which a newer incarnation of Bond- aka Lazenby arrives- if you hear the hints from Moneypenny "still the same James" means that he is indeed diffrent to the Connery Bond- im assuming the british goverment knows about the exterteristial and well yeah

    Now Lazenby's Bond after the events of OHMSS either commits sucide, goes on another adventure which due to time travel- Connery's Bond turns up for The DAF Mission and then afterwards disapears on unseen adventures until 1983's Never Say Never Agian which could be the result of a timeline change or perhaps the events of NSNA happen before Octopussy which explains that the Edward Fox M is replaced with the Robert Brown M and the double O Section is reopened

    Anyway back on track Bond regenerates from Lazenby to Moore who until the events of A View to a Kill where things get sketchy he regenerates into Dalton who after the events of The Living Daylights goes on unseen adventures where The Brosnan bond travels back in time to 1986 where he does the mission in Goldeneye...he completes the mission and then travels forwards 9 years later (which explains how physically unchanged Brosnans Bond is from 1986 to 1995) and in 1989 Dalton's Bond does the Licence to Kill mission and leaves the service only to get reinstated for the unseen Property of a Lady mission in 1993...then after that regenerates into Brosnan

    So Between Goldeneye and Tommorow Never Dies and The World is Not Enough all his missions Brosnan's appearence greatly changes due to offscreen adventures- when we come to Die Another Day he is notiably older than his other adventures within the 7 years (1995-2002) to explain the whole two hearts of a timelord- its possible that he had his heart ripped out- Gallifreyians can substain with one heart (its probarly explained on another adventure) anyway that explains his x-ray in Die Another Day it also explains how is internal organs are unaffected and how Bond coped in Korea for 18 months

    anyway after The Everything or Nothing assignment in 2004 things get sketchy- its possible that Brosnan regnerated into Craig's Bond and lost his memories from Connery- Brosnan, during that time things changed at Mi6 and Judi Dench's M was in charge (note she served a decade at Mi6 by that point)

    anyway M treated Craig's Bond diffrently due to his amnesia and wasnt sure of him until the end of The Casino Royale/Qantum of Solace assignments and after that and unseen adventures (possibily Craig getting his memories back of his past missions which explains how he went from a Rookie to a Veteran in just 3 films) and yeah it concluded with the skyfall mission and The new M Gareth Mallory taking over...

    Yes i know what you are going to say Shouldnt M and Moneypenny and Felix Leiter be timelords too as they changed apperances:

    M's easily change From Benerard Lee's M (who either retires or dies before the events of FYEO) goes to Edward Fox's M (who probarly during a finatial crisis at MI6 or from his attiude gets fired) to Robert Brown's M- Admiral Hargreaves (same character possibly later promoted as M in his future Bond stories) who after the events of Property of a Lady gets succeeded by Judi Dench's M before the events of Goldeneye hence why she is evaulating the new Brosnan Bond

    Moneypenny is obvisously a codename as there are 4 versions of her
    The Lois Maxwell Moneypenny from Dr No to A View to a Kill (who probarly left or got promoted) was then suceded by Caroline Bliss Moneypenny (who probarly either gets Fired by M or leaves replaced by Samantha Bond's Moneypenny who probarly leaves after the events of Die Another Day

    Eve obviously inherits the assistant job from Villers (M's personal assistant in CR) and after the events of Skyfall gets the office job- perhaps Eve's last name of Moneypenny isnt her real name as the pause she gives says that she is the newest MP which Bond gives a look realising the other Moneypennys and then see's her potential as a new moneypenny diffrent from the others (hence due to her background and such including field work)

    * note the Moneypenny in Never Say Never Agian was perhaps a substitute while Lois Moneypenny was either on Leave or something else

    Felix leiter is obviously a codename in the CIA aswell- and that David Hendersons Felix is obviously the same in LTK and LALD, it also explains The Felix Leiter's in both Never Say Never Agian and Casino Royale/Qantum of Solace.

    That wasn't what I was going to say.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    Code name theory. There's so much to contradict this and yet still loads of people believe it.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,281
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Code name theory. There's so much to contradict this and yet still loads of people believe it.

    This would me mine too. I know it's one of the most famous, but there it is.
  • 002002
    Posts: 581
    echo wrote:
    002 wrote:
    Simple James Bond is a timelord with his memory erased by the time lords and exiled to earth with a mind lock on his memories of Gallifrey or his "previous life" though perhaps he does have some sort of method of traveling to diffrent peroids (ill explain that below)

    his background about his parents are fabrications created by the timelords; the memories of Kincade are the results of Indoctrination by the timelords (new memories)
    basically it explains how Bond has changed faces- time travel can explain that the Connery drastically changes from You Only Live Twice to Diamonds are Forever and then to Never Say Never Agian...

    Connery's Bond timeline is From Dr. No- You Only Live Twice (he then departs- which a newer incarnation of Bond- aka Lazenby arrives- if you hear the hints from Moneypenny "still the same James" means that he is indeed diffrent to the Connery Bond- im assuming the british goverment knows about the exterteristial and well yeah

    Now Lazenby's Bond after the events of OHMSS either commits sucide, goes on another adventure which due to time travel- Connery's Bond turns up for The DAF Mission and then afterwards disapears on unseen adventures until 1983's Never Say Never Agian which could be the result of a timeline change or perhaps the events of NSNA happen before Octopussy which explains that the Edward Fox M is replaced with the Robert Brown M and the double O Section is reopened

    Anyway back on track Bond regenerates from Lazenby to Moore who until the events of A View to a Kill where things get sketchy he regenerates into Dalton who after the events of The Living Daylights goes on unseen adventures where The Brosnan bond travels back in time to 1986 where he does the mission in Goldeneye...he completes the mission and then travels forwards 9 years later (which explains how physically unchanged Brosnans Bond is from 1986 to 1995) and in 1989 Dalton's Bond does the Licence to Kill mission and leaves the service only to get reinstated for the unseen Property of a Lady mission in 1993...then after that regenerates into Brosnan

    So Between Goldeneye and Tommorow Never Dies and The World is Not Enough all his missions Brosnan's appearence greatly changes due to offscreen adventures- when we come to Die Another Day he is notiably older than his other adventures within the 7 years (1995-2002) to explain the whole two hearts of a timelord- its possible that he had his heart ripped out- Gallifreyians can substain with one heart (its probarly explained on another adventure) anyway that explains his x-ray in Die Another Day it also explains how is internal organs are unaffected and how Bond coped in Korea for 18 months

    anyway after The Everything or Nothing assignment in 2004 things get sketchy- its possible that Brosnan regnerated into Craig's Bond and lost his memories from Connery- Brosnan, during that time things changed at Mi6 and Judi Dench's M was in charge (note she served a decade at Mi6 by that point)

    anyway M treated Craig's Bond diffrently due to his amnesia and wasnt sure of him until the end of The Casino Royale/Qantum of Solace assignments and after that and unseen adventures (possibily Craig getting his memories back of his past missions which explains how he went from a Rookie to a Veteran in just 3 films) and yeah it concluded with the skyfall mission and The new M Gareth Mallory taking over...

    Yes i know what you are going to say Shouldnt M and Moneypenny and Felix Leiter be timelords too as they changed apperances:

    M's easily change From Benerard Lee's M (who either retires or dies before the events of FYEO) goes to Edward Fox's M (who probarly during a finatial crisis at MI6 or from his attiude gets fired) to Robert Brown's M- Admiral Hargreaves (same character possibly later promoted as M in his future Bond stories) who after the events of Property of a Lady gets succeeded by Judi Dench's M before the events of Goldeneye hence why she is evaulating the new Brosnan Bond

    Moneypenny is obvisously a codename as there are 4 versions of her
    The Lois Maxwell Moneypenny from Dr No to A View to a Kill (who probarly left or got promoted) was then suceded by Caroline Bliss Moneypenny (who probarly either gets Fired by M or leaves replaced by Samantha Bond's Moneypenny who probarly leaves after the events of Die Another Day

    Eve obviously inherits the assistant job from Villers (M's personal assistant in CR) and after the events of Skyfall gets the office job- perhaps Eve's last name of Moneypenny isnt her real name as the pause she gives says that she is the newest MP which Bond gives a look realising the other Moneypennys and then see's her potential as a new moneypenny diffrent from the others (hence due to her background and such including field work)

    * note the Moneypenny in Never Say Never Agian was perhaps a substitute while Lois Moneypenny was either on Leave or something else

    Felix leiter is obviously a codename in the CIA aswell- and that David Hendersons Felix is obviously the same in LTK and LALD, it also explains The Felix Leiter's in both Never Say Never Agian and Casino Royale/Qantum of Solace.

    That wasn't what I was going to say.

    Why what were you going to say?
  • VandyNDEVandyNDE
    Posts: 1
    [shameless self-promotion]
    This has now been settled semi-definitively in my book The Big Bond Theory: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IBO7H26
    [/shameless self-promotion]
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,281
    VandyNDE wrote:
    [shameless self-promotion]
    This has now been settled semi-definitively in my book The Big Bond Theory: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IBO7H26
    [/shameless self-promotion]

    That looks interesting; thanks for making us aware that it is out there and welcome to MI6 Community, @VandyNDE.
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
    edited February 2014 Posts: 1,009
    A real life one, by a so-called Bond specialist from my country: Lazenby left Bond because he had radical Socialist views and people around him convinced George that he was being exploited by Saltzman and Broccoli.

    It comes as highly suspicious that back then he was a collaborator on a far-right oriented radio show equivalent to the Russ Limbaugh show. When he re-edited his book, he was collaborating with a remarkably Socialist radio starion. Those lines about Lazenby being a raging far-left activist dissapeared very suspiciously =))
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    Posts: 1,596
    Birdleson wrote:
    The code name (worse, time lord) idea is just a silly way of trying to find continuity where there is none. Bond films rarely made attempts to hold continuity. The strength of the series does not lie there. If that is important to you as a viewer, go watch Harry Potter (no knock on it) or some other franchise that is set up years in advance, which is held to previous interpretations.
    I enjoy believing that they are all the same guy. That's how it was intended.
    Even as a boy, it didn't bother me that Connery (whom I liked) was suddenly Moore (who I also liked). Just enjoy the films as they come, no reason to force fit something as bland as the theory that Bond is just a name, not this guy that we've been following, as a culture, for 60 years. If anything it cheapens the character.

    My thoughts exactly! I always think of it as one man. There's no sense in trying to logically explain it. Just roll with it.

  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,124
    Another stupid theory that has had some popularity in recent history is the one about Silva being M's son. Just because he derisively refers to her as mummy.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,124
    Birdleson wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    Another stupid theory that has had some popularity in recent history is the one about Silva being M's son. Just because he derisively refers to her as mummy.

    That misses the whole point of the relationship. The film was predicated on M taking advantage of these boys who grew up without a mother figure. They become loyal and trust her completely, but she ends up in some way betraying them (both Bond and Silva), and then puts it on that the mission comes first. It is silly to read more into it than that.

    I think it is the second most ridiculous theory, actually, and a bit of a bastard child of the codename theory.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,281
    Ludovico wrote:
    Another stupid theory that has had some popularity in recent history is the one about Silva being M's son. Just because he derisively refers to her as mummy.

    Yes, that's another ridiculous one, for certain.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Most ridiculous I have read is that Pierce Brosnan saved the franchise. ;)
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,124
    Thunderfinger wrote:
    Most ridiculous I have read is that Pierce Brosnan saved the franchise. ;)

    He did contribute to its successful return, but he did also contribute, or at least was symptomatic, to staling it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Of course he was.Financially anyway. Just teasing.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,281
    Ludovico wrote:
    Thunderfinger wrote:
    Most ridiculous I have read is that Pierce Brosnan saved the franchise. ;)

    He did contribute to its successful return, but he did also contribute, or at least was symptomatic, to staling it.

    Yes, ironically the Brosnan era was a bit of a curate's egg in that sense.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,582
    Most ridiculous Bond theories?

    Definitely the codename theory, M being Silva's mum, the CIA smuggling arms through the Skyfall set, or when Gregg Beam says getting rid of Bond is "not gonna be a problem." ;)
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,473
    Hmm... probably that Judi Dench's M is still alive.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,281
    FoxRox wrote:
    Hmm... probably that Judi Dench's M is still alive.

    Well, there was that video of her as M...
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,473
    Dragonpol wrote:
    FoxRox wrote:
    Hmm... probably that Judi Dench's M is still alive.

    Well, there was that video of her as M...

    ???
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,473
    Birdleson wrote:

    K nvm.
  • dramaticscenesofQOSdramaticscenesofQOS
    Posts: 1,282
    Really, just as someone educated like many folks on this forum, I found it ridiculous when someone theorized that Blofeld's hair fell out after the wasted ending of DAF and that's why he's bald again in FYEO.

    What I find a better theory is that DAF used clone Blofelds and that they were based on the earlier pre-YOLT Blofeld while OHMSS and FYEO were related villains. Anyway, that's in the past along with the Pierce Brosnan series films, we'll let Sam Mendes and crew try to make true sequels or copies of those 20 movies.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,124
    FoxRox wrote:
    Hmm... probably that Judi Dench's M is still alive.

    Don't think I've heard of that one before. When/how did it start?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,281
    Ludovico wrote:
    FoxRox wrote:
    Hmm... probably that Judi Dench's M is still alive.

    Don't think I've heard of that one before. When/how did it start?

    Well the You Tube video posted above well a long way to fanning the flames of this ridiculous theory/rumour. Give it a watch if you've not so far.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,124
    I've seen the video a while ago. But is it really its source?
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,124
    Oh, one after CR: Vesper was going to return for QOS, alive and well according to some rumours/theories.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited February 2014 Posts: 18,281
    Birdleson wrote:
    Soon after the SKYFALL's release Dench said that she'd like to do another one, but it was said in humor. SOme people took it to heart.

    Isn't that often how these rumours start!
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
    Posts: 1,009
    dramaticscenesofQOS wrote:
    Really, just as someone educated like many folks on this forum, I found it ridiculous when someone theorized that Blofeld's hair fell out after the wasted ending of DAF and that's why he's bald again in FYEO.

    What I find a better theory is that DAF used clone Blofelds and that they were based on the earlier pre-YOLT Blofeld while OHMSS and FYEO were related villains. Anyway, that's in the past along with the Pierce Brosnan series films, we'll let Sam Mendes and crew try to make true sequels or copies of those 20 movies.

    I share this theory as I share that "James Bond, 007" is actually a codename for different people. So different, so equal, Bond and Blofeld.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,281
    bigladiesman wrote:
    dramaticscenesofQOS wrote:
    Really, just as someone educated like many folks on this forum, I found it ridiculous when someone theorized that Blofeld's hair fell out after the wasted ending of DAF and that's why he's bald again in FYEO.

    What I find a better theory is that DAF used clone Blofelds and that they were based on the earlier pre-YOLT Blofeld while OHMSS and FYEO were related villains. Anyway, that's in the past along with the Pierce Brosnan series films, we'll let Sam Mendes and crew try to make true sequels or copies of those 20 movies.

    I share this theory as I share that "James Bond, 007" is actually a codename for different people. So different, so equal, Bond and Blofeld.

    Come on, you don't believe that crap do you?

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