Live And Let Die vs Tomorrow Never Dies - By the Elements

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  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,323
    Good match.

    PTS: TB
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: LALD
    Settings: TB
    Action: LALD
    Humor: TB (This one was very hard to choose)
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: TB
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: LALD

    Thunderball - 9
    Live And Let Die -8

    I thought this one would be close, but not that close.
    I prefer TB, but LALD is always a good piece of fun. Certainly one of Sir Rog's best.






  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited June 2014 Posts: 2,629
    TB vs LALD

    PTS: TB (LALD among the worst)
    Title Track: LALD (LALD among the best)
    Title Credits: TB (Close, but the wave effects win out for TB)
    Main Villain: LALD (Kananga and Mr. Big as the same person was rather clever)
    Main Bond Girl: TB (They both deserve it. Domino is among the elite though)
    Overall Plot: TB (sharks were used brilliantly in TB compared to LALD)
    Dialogue: TB (due to the lack of Caucasian slurs)
    Score: LALD (McCartney inspires soul)
    Settings: TB (The Bahamas for being an actual Caribbean country)
    Action: TB (There has never been better underwater action. Never!)
    Humor: LALD (Silly at times, but a huge upgrade over DAF)
    Cinematography: TB (Anyone who votes against TB needs psychiatric help. TB was a breakthrough in underwater cinematography)
    Benign Bizarre: LALD (Voodoo do outdo Junkanoo too)
    Suspense: TB (Inflation pellets just kind of ruin the thrill of the fight)
    Minor Characters: TB (for the SPECTRE blitz)
    Glamour: TB (New Orleans and 70s New York isn't exactly known for its glamour)
    Ally: LALD (Hedison was smart enough not to say Double O Ow)

    Thunderball wins 11-6. Kind of what I expected.


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    PTS: Thunderball
    Title Track: Live and Let Die
    Title Credits: Thunderball
    Main Villain: Thunderball
    Main Bond Girl: Thunderball
    Overall Plot: Thunderball
    Dialogue: Thunderball
    Score: Live and Let Die
    Settings: Thunderball
    Action: Thunderball
    Humor: Thunderball
    Cinematography: Thunderball
    Benign Bizarre: Live and Let Die
    Suspense: Thunderball
    Minor Characters: Live and Let Die
    Glamour: Thunderball
    Ally: Live and Let Die

    TB: 12
    LALD: 5
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    PTS: TB
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: TIE - Both outstanding
    Main Villain: LALD
    Main Bond Girl: TB
    Overall Plot: LALD
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: TB
    Settings: TB
    Action: LALD (Only for the boat chase).
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: TB
    Minor Characters: TB
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: LALD

    TB wins 9-7 and 1 tie. (They're pretty much both ranked together as mediocre).
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,315
    PTS: TB (I guess. The jet pack is unintentionally funny but at least this PTS has Bond in it.)
    Title Track: LALD (By a long shot.)
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: LALD (Largo is one of the worst.)
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: TB (Both are a little thin on plot.)
    Dialogue: LALD (TB has it's moments though.)
    Score: TB (Although LALD has the best non-Barry score.)
    Settings: LALD
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD (Again, TB has it's moments.)
    Cinematography: LALD
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: LALD

    LALD - 13
    TB - 4

    Wasn't expecting that but there you have it.
  • PTS: Thunderball
    Title Track: Live and Let Die
    Title Credits: Live and Let Die (one of my favourites)
    Main Villain: Thunderball (a rather weak spot for both films)
    Main Bond Girl: Thunderball (tough call)
    Overall Plot: Thunderball
    Dialogue: Thunderball
    Score: Thunderball
    Settings: Thunderball
    Action: Thunderball (quality over quantity I guess)
    Humor: Thunderball (though Live and Let Die certainly has a higher farcical factor)
    Cinematography: Thunderball
    Benign Bizarre: Live and Let Die (the film's greatest asset)
    Suspense: Thunderball
    Minor Characters: Live and Let Die (Baron Samedi deserved a spin-off series)
    Glamour: Thunderball
    Ally: Live and Let Die

    Thunderball - 12
    Live and Let Die - 5
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    PTS: Thunderball (The jet pack vs. a scene that is notable because it doesn't feature Bond)
    Title Track: Thunderball (Paul McCartney's is a game-changer, but can't compete with Tom Jones' powerful pipes.)
    Title Credits: LALD (Maurice Binder's work evolved a lot since the swimming girl silhouettes)
    Main Villain: Thunderball (Largo's one of my all-time favorite Bond villains.)
    Main Bond Girl: Thunderball (And Domino's one of my all-time favorite Bond girls.)
    Overall Plot: Thunderball (Out of all the Bond films, it certainly ranks among those where the stakes are highest.)
    Dialogue: Thunderball (So many of Connery's cheeky one-liners)
    Score: Thunderball (The many nights I spent listening to the orchestral "Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" on vinyl.)
    Settings: LALD
    Action: Thunderball
    Humor: LALD (Still Roger Moore's specialty)
    Cinematography: Thunderball (All that beautiful underwater cinematography. From what I understand, revolutionary for the time.)
    Benign Bizarre: LALD (Can't get much more bizarre than Bond vs. voodoo)
    Suspense: Thunderball (One of, if not the, most suspenseful films in the series)
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: Thunderball
    Ally: Thunderball

    Thunderball: 12
    Live and Let Die: 5

    Surprised LALD gained any ground since I still consider Thunderball my favorite out of all of them, but Roger Moore certainly hit the ground running in his debut.

    Thunderball takes it.
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    THUNDERBALL vs. LIVE AND LET DIE


    PTS: TB
    Title Track: LALD (tough choice !)
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl:TB
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: LALD (Tough choice again ! )
    Settings: TB
    Action: TB
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: TB
    Minor Characters:LALD
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: TB

    TB: 11
    LALD: 6


    Yep,that's about right.
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    This is not even close. LLD is a flat-out farce.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited July 2014 Posts: 17,995
    L[A]LD is a flat-out farce.
    I disagree. DAF & MR are more so IMO.
  • edited July 2014 Posts: 654
    This is a hard one!

    PTS: LALD
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: LALD
    Settings: TB
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: LALD
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: LALD
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited July 2014 Posts: 14,909
    This is a hard one!

    PTS:
    Still deciding on the PTS, I see. ;)
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    PTS: LALD
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: LALD
    Settings: TB
    Action: LALD
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: LALD
    Minor Characters: LALD
    Glamour: TB
    Ally: LALD
  • QBranch wrote:
    Still deciding on the PTS, I see. ;)
    Whoops! Missed that one... Thank you :)
  • Posts: 1,146
    classic connery vs buffoonery Moore.

    Yeah, tough choice.
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    classic connery vs buffoonery Moore.

    Yeah, tough choice.

    Yet another valuable contribution on your part.
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    PTS: TB
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: LALD
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: LALD
    Score: LALD
    Settings: LALD
    Action: TB
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: LALD
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: TB
    Minor Characters: TB
    Glamour: LALD
    Ally: TB

    LALD: 10
    TB: 7

    A Close one, two Bond classics.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,909
    classic connery vs buffoonery Moore. Yeah, tough choice.
    Personally, I think LALD was PRE-Moore buffoonery. It was a serious outing for the most part.
  • QBranch wrote:
    Personally, I think LALD was PRE-Moore buffoonery. It was a serious outing for the most part.

    It had its silly moments (Rosie Carver and Baron Samedi spring to mind), but it's nothing compared to Moonraker, A View to a Kill, or The Man With the Golden Gun.
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    Or the sheriff.
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    PTS: TB
    Title Track: LALD
    Title Credits: LALD
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TB
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: TB
    Settings: TB
    Action: TB
    Humor: LALD
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: LALD
    Suspense: TB
    Minor Characters: TB
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: LALD

    TB - 12
    LADL - 5
  • Any final entries before we conclude this round?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,995
    Or the sheriff.
    JW was a fine addition in his first appearance; it made sense there.
    ;)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Any final entries before we conclude this round?

    Looks like everyone had their say.

  • Looks like everyone had their say.

    Yep. With that in mind, here are our final results. After one of our longest rounds to date, the final score was 223-197-5, Thunderball wins a solid decision over Live and Let Die.

    Our next match will be between two movies that helped revive the Bond franchise after less-than-stellar entries and long waits, The Spy Who Loved Me vs. Skyfall!


    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: Tie
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF (average vs. aggressively annoying)
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM (another big action sequence would have pushed SF over the edge)
    Humor: TSWLM (it's a Roger Moore movie, dammit)
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: TSWLM (for any scene with Jaws and Bond removing the nuke)
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Ally: SF (counting M here)

    The Spy Who Loved Me triumphs by a margin of 9-7-1! Odd, since Skyfall sits two places higher than it on the old Bond ranking (5/7). I think that's the first time this has happened, at least in this round of the game.

    Well, get to it, everybody else!
  • PTS: SF
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: TSWLM
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: SF
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: TSWLM
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF
    Action: SF
    Humor: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: SF
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,995
    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: TSWLM
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: TSWLM
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: TSWLM
    Ally: SF

    10 to 7 in favour of TSWLM. Hmmm...
  • edited July 2014 Posts: 7,507
    PTS: TSWLM
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: TSWLM
    Overall Plot: SF (For it's originality)
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: SF
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: SF
    Ally: SF

    SF: 12
    TSWLM: 5


    Higher margin than expected, but Skyfall is among my absolute favourites while Spy sits at around 10th place in my ranking.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited July 2014 Posts: 13,369
    PTS: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Title Track: Skyfall
    Title Credits: Skyfall
    Main Villain: Skyfall
    Main Bond Girl: Skyfall
    Overall Plot: Skyfall
    Dialogue: Skyfall
    Score: Skyfall
    Settings: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Action: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Humor: Skyfall
    Cinematography: Skyfall
    Benign Bizarre: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Suspense: Skyfall
    Minor Characters: Skyfall
    Glamour: The Spy Who Loved Me
    Ally: Skyfall
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited July 2014 Posts: 14,909
    Interesting match-up.

    PTS: TSWLM (although SF is a corker)
    Title Track: TSWLM
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: SF
    Overall Plot: TSWLM (near tie)
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: TSWLM
    Settings: TSWLM
    Action: TSWLM
    Humor: TSWLM
    Cinematography: SF (near tie)
    Benign Bizarre: TSWLM
    Suspense: TSWLM
    Minor Characters: TSWLM
    Glamour: TSWLM (have you seen Stromberg's dining room?)
    Ally: SF

    TSWLM: 11 One of the best.
    SF: 6
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