Live And Let Die vs Tomorrow Never Dies - By the Elements

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  • Posts: 12,475
    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TWINE (as Elektra)
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humor: TWINE
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: TWINE
    Ally: QoS (Mathis/Felix are my favorites in the whole series)

    QoS - 11 TWINE - 6

    Of my ranked 23, QoS #13, TWINE #14
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: QOS
    Main Villain: TWINE
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: TWINE
    Action: TWINE
    Humor: TWINE
    Cinematography: TWINE
    Benign Bizarre: QOS
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamour: QOS
    Ally: TWINE

    TWINE wins 13 to QOS 4.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    TWINE vs QOS

    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TWINE
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: TIE (They're both rubbish)
    Dialogue: QOS
    Score: QOS
    Settings: TWINE
    Action: TWINE
    Humour: TWINE
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: QOS
    Glamour: TWINE
    Ally: QOS

    TWINE - 9
    QOS - 7
    TIE -1
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited September 2014 Posts: 2,629
    PTS: TWINE (The camera stayed still for the Thames boat chase)
    Title Track: TWINE (Garbage's theme was less trashy than Jack's and Alicia's)
    Title Credits: QOS (Less oil drops)
    Main Villain: TWINE (Elektra, Renard, either way)
    Main Bond Girl: QOS (At least Olga appeared reasonably natural in her role)
    Overall Plot: TWINE (If you're going to cause havoc, go all in, not 60%)
    Dialogue: QOS (The snobbery seemed more genuine)
    Score: Tie (Didn't care for either)
    Settings: TWINE (At least it was centralized in one geographic area)
    Action: QOS (Even with the questionable CGI)
    Humor: TWINE (Pierce could have made said "one last screw" after making dead baby jokes and it would have still been funnier than QOS)
    Cinematography: QOS (I always felt TWINE used film from 1899)
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE (That torture chair was pretty tight)
    Suspense: TWINE (How was Pierce going to get out of that torture chair)
    Minor Characters: TWINE (Less inept security force)
    Glamour: QOS (For TSWLM nod)
    Ally: QOS (Glad to have Mathis back, but could have used a little more Felix)

    TWINE wins a forgettable match against a forgettable film 9-7-1.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited September 2014 Posts: 17,804
    Kerim wrote: »
    TWINE wins an forgettable match against a forgettable film 9-7-1.
    Hey! QoS was a singular & fascinating Bond film IMO. I happen to prefer TWINE, but that takes nothing away from the typhoon that was QoS!
    So THERE! :D
  • Posts: 2,491
    TWINE vs QOS

    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: QOS
    Main Villain: TWINE
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: TWINE
    Action: TWINE
    Humour: TWINE
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: QOS
    Glamour: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    14-3 for TWINE

  • Posts: 2,402
    PTS: TWINE (easily!)
    Title Track: TWINE (again, easily!)
    Title Credits: TWINE (lol. Just lol at anyone who chose QoS.)
    Main Villain: TWINE (I wonder if TWINE will manage to not walk any of the categories)
    Main Bond Girl: QoS (oh finally)
    Overall Plot: TWINE (You know what I enjoy TWINE's plot)
    Dialogue: QoS (if only because of the Christmas line in TWINE)
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: QoS (TWINE had Istanbul and Spain, gorgeous places where their potential was wasted)
    Action: TWINE (it might be slow but at least it's decipherable)
    Humor: TWINE
    Cinematography: TWINE (yeah. Fuck QoS in this category. How can anyone not pick TWINE?)
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE (Renard vs. Elvis' wig. Hmm.)
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE (Yeah. Easy one. Lachaise, the final appearance of Desmond, Samantha Bond at her absolute best...)
    Glamour: TWINE
    Ally: QoS (I will concede that Zukovsky was much better used in GE while Felix is just as good here as he was in CR)

    13-4 for TWINE. Not surprised.
  • PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TWINE
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: TWINE (close call though)
    Settings: TWINE
    Action: TWINE
    Humour: TWINE
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamour: TWINE
    Ally: QOS (Zukovsky was great, one of the best, but Mathis wins out here)

    14-3 for TWINE
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,804
    The TWINE love is excellent, but guys, QoS deserves a little better IMO.
    This from a DIEHARD Brosnan fan! :))
  • chrisisall wrote: »
    The TWINE love is excellent, but guys, QoS deserves a little better IMO.
    This from a DIEHARD Brosnan fan! :))

    Poor Craig just can't buy a victory. I honestly thought he was going to win at least a few of his matches so far, especially the QoS ones. Maybe CR vs. DAD is next. See if DAD can crack double digits.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,804
    Maybe CR vs. DAD is next.
    That's a guaranteed shooting gallery with DAD losing badly.
  • Posts: 2,491
    Is there a list of all matches so far ?
  • edited September 2014 Posts: 1,596
    PTS: The World Is Not Enough (close, I quite like Quantum's)
    Title Track: Quantum of Solace
    Title Credits: Quantum of Solace
    Main Villain: The World Is Not Enough
    Main Bond Girl: Quantum of Solace
    Overall Plot: The World Is Not Enough
    Dialogue: Quantum of Solace
    Score: Quantum of Solace (by a country mile)
    Settings: The World Is Not Enough (both suck by Bond standards)
    Action: Quantum of Solace (very close; both are near the bottom overall)
    Humour: The World Is Not Enough
    Cinematography: Quantum of Solace (by a country mile)
    Benign Bizarre: The World Is Not Enough
    Suspense: The World Is Not Enough
    Minor Characters: Quantum of Solace
    Glamour: tie - (QoS has glamorous cinematography but banal locations; TWINE opposite)
    Ally: Quantum of Solace (two of the best in the series)

    9-7 in favor of QoS.
  • On the whole, I suppose I would endorse The World Is Not Enough (though admittedly without any real entusiasm)...

    PTS: Quantum of Solace
    Title Track: The World Is Not Enough
    Title Credits: The World Is Not Enough
    Main Villain: The World Is Not Enough
    Main Bond Girl: Quantum of Solace
    Overall Plot: Quantum of Solace
    Dialogue: Quantum of Solace
    Score: Quantum of Solace
    Settings: Quantum of Solace
    Action: The World Is Not Enough
    Humour: The World Is Not Enough
    Cinematography: Quantum of Solace
    Benign Bizarre: The World Is Not Enough
    Suspense: Quantum of Solace
    Minor Characters: Quantum of Solace (Elvis saves the day here. Elvis saves any day, by the way)
    Glamour: The World Is Not Enough
    Ally: Quantum of Solace

    The World Is Not Enough: 7
    Quantum of Solace: 10

    ...but then again, for me Quantum of Solace works better in a deconstructed form than as a finished product, so this would seem about right.
  • Posts: 7,507
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humour: QoS (I've never laughed at any of the jokes in TWINE. In QoS I actually have...)
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: QoS
    Ally: QoS

    QoS: 12
    TWINE: 4
  • dragonsky wrote: »
    Is there a list of all matches so far ?

    Why yes, there is.

    SF v CR = CR
    TLD v LTK = TLD
    DN v TB = TB
    TND v TWINE = TND
    DAF v MR = DAF
    OHMSS v FRWL. =. OHMSS
    GF v GE = GF
    LALD v OP = LALD
    YOLT v QOS = YOLT
    AVTAK v MWTGG = AVTAK
    TSWLM v FYEO = TSWLM


    FRWL v GF = FRWL
    DAF v QOS = DAF
    YOLT v TND = YOLT
    DN v SF = SF
    TSWLM v GE = GE
    TB v TLD = TLD
    OHMSS v CR = OHMSS
    MR v DAD = MR
    FYEO v LTK = FYEO
    TMWTGG v TWINE = TWINE
    YOLT v OP = YOLT
    TND v QOS = TND
    GF v TLD = GF
    LALD v TB = TB
    TSWLM v SF = TSWLM
    AVTAK v DAF = AVTAK
    DN vs. LTK = DN
    GE vs. SF = GE
    QoS vs. TWINE = ?

    By the way, @jobo, you've left out the "main villain" category.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,804
    And here are the results that came out badly:

    TSWLM v FYEO = TSWLM
    YOLT v TND = YOLT
    DN v SF = SF
    FYEO v LTK = FYEO
    GF v TLD = GF
    AVTAK v DAF = AVTAK



    ;)
  • This should be easy

    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: Are we counting Elektra or Renard? Actually TWINE wins either way for me
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialouge: Not sure actually, I think both have some good lines but QoS probably edges it
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: QoS
    Action: TWINE
    Humour: QoS
    Cinematograpgy: QoS
    Bizarre: TWINE
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor characters: TWINE
    Glamour: QoS
    Ally: TWINE (I like Mathis but Zukofsky>>>all)
    chrisisall wrote: »
    The TWINE love is excellent, but guys, QoS deserves a little better IMO.
    This from a DIEHARD Brosnan fan! :))

    I'm glad TWINE is thrashing it. I think Craig is great and I loved CR and SF but I think QoS was a massive let down. A pretentious mess of a film which I think gets way more praise from members here than it actually deserves.

    TWINE on the other hand is one of the most underrated Bond films imo. It's been one of my favourites since I first saw it and I'm glad it's winning.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,978
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: QoS
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: QoS
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humor: TWINE
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamour: TWINE
    Ally: QoS

    9-8, QoS wins.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TWINE
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: QoS
    Action: TWINE
    Humour: TWINE
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: QoS
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: QoS
    Ally: TWINE

    TWINE: 11
    QoS: 6
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TWINE
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: QOS
    Score: QOS
    Settings: QOS
    Action: QOS
    Humour: QOS
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: QOS
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: QOS
    Glamour: QOS
    Ally: QOS
  • Posts: 7,653
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TWINE
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: TWINE
    Settings: TWINE
    Action: TWINE
    Humour: TWINE
    Cinematography: TWINE
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor Characters: TWINE
    Glamour: TWINE
    Ally: TWINE

    TWINE wins and the other movie does not figure at all.
  • edited September 2014 Posts: 251
    My first time doing one of these!

    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TWINE
    Main Bond Girl: TWINE (I honestly love Christmas...)
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue: TWINE
    Score: QOS (I like the way AWTD is used in the score.)
    Settings: TWINE
    Action: QOS (The fight between Camille and General Medrano is amazing.)
    Humour: TWINE
    Cinematography: TWINE
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: QOS
    Glamour: TWINE
    Ally: QOS

    TWINE: 11, QOS: 6
  • edited September 2014 Posts: 7,507
    @Soundofthesinners:

    Oops... Don't know how I managed that... Here's a revised update:


    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: QoS
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humour: QoS (I've never laughed at any of the jokes in TWINE. In QoS I actually have...)
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: QoS
    Ally: QoS

    QoS: 13
    TWINE: 4

  • Posts: 12,475
    I like how split this community is over TWINE and QoS, seeing as I think of them as two of the more underrated titles in the series. It's been pretty back-and-forth so far.
  • Posts: 2,491
    Thanks for the list @Soundofthesinners :)
  • dragonsky wrote: »
    Thanks for the list @Soundofthesinners :)

    You're very welcome. @andmcit came up with the original list, I just added the last few.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489


    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: QoS
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humour: QoS
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: QoS
    Ally: QoS

    QoS: 14
    TWINE: 3

  • edited September 2014 Posts: 1,181
    PTS: TWINE
    Title Track: TWINE
    Title Credits: TWINE
    Main Villain: TWINE
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Overall Plot: TWINE
    Dialouge: QOS
    Score: QOS
    Settings: QOS
    Action: TWINE
    Humour: QOS
    Cinematography: QOS
    Bizarre: TWINE
    Suspense: TWINE
    Minor characters: TWINE
    Glamour: QoS
    Ally: QOS

    TWINE: 9
    QOS: 8
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,593
    PTS: TWINE (one of the best; the duration doesn't bother me)
    Title Track: TWINE (I love Garbage, but this isn't one of my favourites from them)
    Title Credits: QOS (so much hate/bias towards this decent credit sequence)
    Main Villain: QOS (don't talk to me like I'm stoopid, it's unattractive)
    Main Bond Girl: QOS (look out, guys- Olga is mine!)
    Overall Plot: QOS (water vs oil- who will come out on top?)
    Dialogue: TWINE (he knew just where to huuurt me; I came prepared for a cold shooouulder)
    Score: QOS (one score is not enough, the other provides solace)
    Settings: QOS (Italy looks colourful and versatile- not drab like Azerbaijan and Scotland)
    Action: QOS (in both films, Bond swings around on ropes- so many opportunities wasted for a Tarzan tribute)
    Humour: TWINE (Zukovsky insurance company; soon M will be everywhere- the humour is big and it's black)
    Cinematography: QOS (rich landscapes, car mounted camera; though TWINE has some good angles too)
    Benign Bizarre: TWINE (bullet in Renard's head/painless- this could've been fleshed out more)
    Suspense: TWINE (Bilbao escape; pipeline bomb; Bond holding breath in the sub)
    Minor Characters: TWINE (Cigar Girl; LeChaisse; Mr. Bullion- more variety here)
    Glamour: TWINE (casinos and caviar; Baku scenes)
    Ally: TWINE (Zukovsky comes through in a clinch)

    TWINE: 9
    QoS: 8

    A quanta of difference between the two- looks about right. Two middling entries- but both highly enjoyable.
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