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  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited December 2014 Posts: 4,619
    Am I the only one who finds it strange that Michael G. Wilson did not appear at the press event today?
    bondjames wrote: »
    I must say I'm at a loss about what they are going to do. My gut tells me that using Waltz as Blofeld is a little too predictable, and might not really have impact with viewers. There has to be a twist at the end IMO.

    It's great that (maybe for the first time ever but surely for the first time in decades) we do not know exactly which actor will play the main villain of the movie!
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    Blofeld - "Mr Hinx, would you take care of Mr Bond please..."

    Come on, who wouldn't want to hear that? ;-)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2014 Posts: 23,883
    At the risk of overthinking this, what is really curious to me is the already much talked about logo with the cracked glass and spider legs.

    Does this mean that Tracy has already been killed in Craig's universe? Or does it mean that the Tracy story is yet to come in a remake, perhaps in B25, as a Craig swansong (perhaps with Mendes back on board for a big pay day)?

    Reintroducing someone who was last seen being dropped down a chute 33 years ago raises so many possibilities......and so many questions.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,131
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Am I the only one who finds it strange that Michael G. Wilson did not appear at the press event today?
    bondjames wrote: »
    I must say I'm at a loss about what they are going to do. My gut tells me that using Waltz as Blofeld is a little too predictable, and might not really have impact with viewers. There has to be a twist at the end IMO.

    It's great that (maybe for the first time ever but surely for the first time in decades) we do not know exactly which actor will play the main villain of the movie!

    My bet is on either Waltz or Bellucci. Andrew Scott is a bit too young and youthful IMO.

    I am wondering if Scott did not take the role Ejiofor was rumored for?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    What role is that again? Is Scott the only one unnamed? Hmmm...
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,131
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    What role is that again? Is Scott the only one unnamed? Hmmm...

    He was named and he is said to work for Whitehall. I have read on the BBC that he plays a MI5 agent.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited December 2014 Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Seeing that photo of Christensen that @Gustav_Graves posted reminds me of how chilling he was in CR, along with Mickelson. Two Danish greats in a fantastic movie that resuscitated the franchise.

    I'm really glad he's back, however I believe his role will be an important cameo to keep the plot moving (in fact, he might be the one with the cryptic message which might in fact be a recording) rather than something major.

    I never really thought he was the head of Quantum however....I saw him as more of an important henchman. The fact that he dispatched Le Chiffre personally in CR just seemed a little beneath the head of an entity like Quantum. This view was further enforced by where he was sitting in the audience at the Opera in QoS while Greene conducted affairs from the booth. Additionally, when Bond infiltrated the group at the Opera, Mr. White sat put while the others upped and ran. If he was that important, surely members of Quantum would have ensured he was secure/safe before running.

    So I think he will be the clue that leads Bond to Blofeld and Spectre, and it could be in some message that he leaves behind on a computer or disc, or it could be some clue or last message he gives Bond during a bustup at the beginning (similar to Bond's FYEO Blofeld bashup) when Bond either kills/captures him.

    He was uncharacteristic unfinished business from previous movies (I think only Jaws was allowed to escape in the past) so it was inevitible he would be back, thinking about it retrospectively.

    PS: I like the idea proposed earlier that Quantum is just one branch of Spectre (the extortion branch). In SPECTRE, I believe Mi6 will realize just how far reaching this organization in fact is.

    So, what about my post you reacted on? I mean, you could be right. But still, the other possibility, Waltz playing Blofeld, seems a bit weird also no? You think the actual character Blofeld will be a minor, but very important, cameo at the end of the film? Or will Blofeld have much larger screentime? And how to change from Oberhauser into Blofeld? Andrew Scott actually plays a Brit.

    By jolly, this movie will have a story that will be much harder to guess than Skyfall. And WHAT will spectre's villainous scheme be this time??? Aaaargh! In any case, "SPECTRE" will have slightly more detective-esque approach, with more spying.....

    I must say I'm at a loss about what they are going to do. My gut tells me that using Waltz as Blofeld is a little too predictable, and might not really have impact with viewers. There has to be a twist at the end IMO.

    I think Waltz will have a very good role, and a meaningful one, but I don't necessarily see him being Blofeld, unless he has committed to a multi-film deal, which I don't think he has. I think he will be a complex, conflicted soul, who is pulled to the dark side by SPECTRE & eventually pays a price.

    What would be really great is if Blofeld (the name and the character) have a surprise cameo at the end of SPECTRE (like MD in Interstellar). What would be even better is if the actor who is revealed to be Blofeld has already been cast, and is aleady signed on for Bond 25. Now that would be something, because that means SPECTRE ends on a high note, a potentially devastating high note (i.e. Bond loses), with Bond ready to do battle with Blofeld in Craig's swansong - i.e. B25.

    On that note, why not take predictions for B25's title: BLOFELD anyone?

    Me too @bondjames. This new Bond-film, "Spectre", seems to be prone to way more guessing. Whereas "Skyfall" had a rather simple plot, which focussed extensively on the characters (not necessarily bad plot IMO), "Spectre" actually might have a way more complicated, detective-like plot, in which the characters are all part of SPECTRE's villainous plot. This is already enhanced, like I said yesterday, by a larger core-cast. Not one Bond-girl, but two Bond-girls. Not one actor who could play the villain, Mr Christoph Waltz, but perhaps another one too, Jesper Christensen (perhaps a cameo in a Bond-less PTS where Mr White is finally killed off by SPECTRE?, or perhaps he is Blofeld). Then there's an extra member of MI-6. And even a henchman. And on top of that, the actual actor playing Blofeld might have been cast already, but is being kept secret.

    It's just more difficult this time around to guess what the actual villainous scheme will be. I mean, come on guys, this line will turn me in geek-mode way more than three years ago with "Skyfall": "Bond peels back the layers of deceit to reveal the terrible truth behind SPECTRE!". No revenge, no ingenious computer hack, no money laundering affair at a casino. But just something very dangerous, a terrible truth with implications to our planet perhaps?

    In any case, "Spectre" could the more sinister, horrific, and cruel "Thunderball" for Daniel Craig. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see that "Spectre" will even surpass "Skyfall"s 1.1 Billion Dollar mark :-P.

    Man, these are exciting times for Bond fans. It's kinda sad to say, and I don't mean to say it with any disregard for Brosnan, but the Brosnan films might look quite pale next to the quadrilogy of Bond films for Craig when "Spectre" premieres :-S.
  • AdaShelbyAdaShelby
    edited December 2014 Posts: 267
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  • ZekidkZekidk
    Posts: 3,276
    Do we want SPECTRE to be the "rise and fall" of Spectre, or just the rise? If the latter, where does this leave Mendes?
  • Mi6LisbonBranchMi6LisbonBranch Lisbon, Portugal
    Posts: 243
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Seeing that photo of Christensen that @Gustav_Graves posted reminds me of how chilling he was in CR, along with Mickelson. Two Danish greats in a fantastic movie that resuscitated the franchise.

    I'm really glad he's back, however I believe his role will be an important cameo to keep the plot moving (in fact, he might be the one with the cryptic message which might in fact be a recording) rather than something major.

    I never really thought he was the head of Quantum however....I saw him as more of an important henchman. The fact that he dispatched Le Chiffre personally in CR just seemed a little beneath the head of an entity like Quantum. This view was further enforced by where he was sitting in the audience at the Opera in QoS while Greene conducted affairs from the booth. Additionally, when Bond infiltrated the group at the Opera, Mr. White sat put while the others upped and ran. If he was that important, surely members of Quantum would have ensured he was secure/safe before running.

    So I think he will be the clue that leads Bond to Blofeld and Spectre, and it could be in some message that he leaves behind on a computer or disc, or it could be some clue or last message he gives Bond during a bustup at the beginning (similar to Bond's FYEO Blofeld bashup) when Bond either kills/captures him.

    He was uncharacteristic unfinished business from previous movies (I think only Jaws was allowed to escape in the past) so it was inevitible he would be back, thinking about it retrospectively.

    PS: I like the idea proposed earlier that Quantum is just one branch of Spectre (the extortion branch). In SPECTRE, I believe Mi6 will realize just how far reaching this organization in fact is.

    So, what about my post you reacted on? I mean, you could be right. But still, the other possibility, Waltz playing Blofeld, seems a bit weird also no? You think the actual character Blofeld will be a minor, but very important, cameo at the end of the film? Or will Blofeld have much larger screentime? And how to change from Oberhauser into Blofeld? Andrew Scott actually plays a Brit.

    By jolly, this movie will have a story that will be much harder to guess than Skyfall. And WHAT will spectre's villainous scheme be this time??? Aaaargh! In any case, "SPECTRE" will have slightly more detective-esque approach, with more spying.....

    I must say I'm at a loss about what they are going to do. My gut tells me that using Waltz as Blofeld is a little too predictable, and might not really have impact with viewers. There has to be a twist at the end IMO.

    I think Waltz will have a very good role, and a meaningful one, but I don't necessarily see him being Blofeld, unless he has committed to a multi-film deal, which I don't think he has. I think he will be a complex, conflicted soul, who is pulled to the dark side by SPECTRE & eventually pays a price.

    What would be really great is if Blofeld (the name and the character) have a surprise cameo at the end of SPECTRE (like MD in Interstellar). What would be even better is if the actor who is revealed to be Blofeld has already been cast, and is aleady signed on for Bond 25. Now that would be something, because that means SPECTRE ends on a high note, a potentially devastating high note (i.e. Bond loses), with Bond ready to do battle with Blofeld in Craig's swansong - i.e. B25.

    On that note, why not take predictions for B25's title: BLOFELD anyone?

    Me too @bondjames. This new Bond-film, "Spectre", seems to be prone to way more guessing. Whereas "Skyfall" had a rather simple plot, which focussed extensively on the characters (not necessarily bad plot IMO), "Spectre" actually might have a way more complicated, detective-like plot, in which the characters are all part of SPECTRE's villainous plot. This is already enhanced, like I said yesterday, by a larger core-cast. Not one Bond-girl, but two Bond-girls. Not one actor who could play the villain, Mr Christoph Waltz, but perhaps another one too, Jesper Christensen (perhaps a cameo in the PTS, perhaps Blofeld). Then there's an extra member of MI-6. And even a henchman. And on top of that, the actual actor playing Blofeld might have been cast already, but is being kept secret.

    It's just more difficult this time around to guess what the actual villainous scheme will be. I mean, come on guys, this line will turn me in geek-mode way more than three years ago with "Skyfall": "Bond peels back the layers of deceit to reveal the terrible truth behind SPECTRE!". No revenge, no ingenious computer hack, no money laundering affair at a casino. But just something very dangerous, a terrible truth with implications to our planet perhaps?

    In any case, "Spectre" could the more sinister, horrific, and cruel "Thunderball" for Daniel Craig. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see that "Spectre" will even surpass "Skyfall"s 1.1 Billion Dollar mark :-P.

    Man, these are exciting times for Bond fans. It's kinda sad to say, and I don't mean to say it with any disregard for Brosnan, but the Brosnan films might look quite pale next to the quadrilogy of Bond films for Craig when "Spectre" premieres :-S.

    Boy this discussions are making me nervous.
    All these ideas and plot derivations and possibilities are really exciting.
    This trully has all the ingredients of becoming the epic Bond movie of all times.
    It will be difficult to wait one year!!
  • MuddywMuddyw
    Posts: 198
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Am I the only one who finds it strange that Michael G. Wilson did not appear at the press event today?
    bondjames wrote: »
    I must say I'm at a loss about what they are going to do. My gut tells me that using Waltz as Blofeld is a little too predictable, and might not really have impact with viewers. There has to be a twist at the end IMO.

    It's great that (maybe for the first time ever but surely for the first time in decades) we do not know exactly which actor will play the main villain of the movie!

    Haha, now that's it! Michael G. Wilson has shaven his head and for the first time ever he will feature as a main character!

    Or, he is still hairy and will eventually only pose as Blofeld without showing his face!

    Now we're talking :-P
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Do we want SPECTRE to be the "rise and fall" of Spectre, or just the rise? If the latter, where does this leave Mendes?

    I say we keep the bastards once they are back. And I love the title.
  • MuddywMuddyw
    Posts: 198
    outlawgenius wrote: »
    Muddyw wrote: »
    mnhettia wrote: »
    CO
    Muddyw wrote: »
    Cryptic message: Anything to do with the rumoured story about a ski teacher named Oberhausen being like a father to Bond in the past and that Waltz his persona introduces himself as the son of Oberhausen? And that in the end it seems that Waltz is actually Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

    i think it could be that the father is Waltz and the son is Andrew. So Andrew = Blofeld. i wonder if they will make it more personal by making the bond's parents death in a ski accident and tie it to the Waltz's character!

    In this scenario I don't like it that Denbigh is already mentioned as a MI6 coworker/agent. So with your story Blofeld already infiltrated MI6.

    I would love it when the threat comes from outside not again from the inside of MI6.

    I don't think they ever specifically said that Denbigh is MI6, they simply said 'Whitehall', so my guess is that just as Guy Haines was personal friend of the prime minister on the part of Quantum, Denbigh will reveal himself as Blofeld's person *inside* the government battling M over the fate of the secret service (perhaps even as part of Quantum's 'we have people everywhere' statement, which would bring White back into the picture; remember, Quantum simply makes the introductions :P).

    Yes, could be. And Ludovico is telling us (source BBC) Denbigh could be from MI5 debating with MI6 about MI6's relevance today.
  • Mi6LisbonBranchMi6LisbonBranch Lisbon, Portugal
    Posts: 243
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Do we want SPECTRE to be the "rise and fall" of Spectre, or just the rise? If the latter, where does this leave Mendes?

    I say we keep the bastards once they are back. And I love the title.

    Agree! This is just the first battle...
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Great cast. Really looking forward to it. Monica Belucci should have been I. TND but better late than never. Strangely rushed and underwhelming press conference but Late than never
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,131
    Muddyw wrote: »
    outlawgenius wrote: »
    Muddyw wrote: »
    mnhettia wrote: »
    CO
    Muddyw wrote: »
    Cryptic message: Anything to do with the rumoured story about a ski teacher named Oberhausen being like a father to Bond in the past and that Waltz his persona introduces himself as the son of Oberhausen? And that in the end it seems that Waltz is actually Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

    i think it could be that the father is Waltz and the son is Andrew. So Andrew = Blofeld. i wonder if they will make it more personal by making the bond's parents death in a ski accident and tie it to the Waltz's character!

    In this scenario I don't like it that Denbigh is already mentioned as a MI6 coworker/agent. So with your story Blofeld already infiltrated MI6.

    I would love it when the threat comes from outside not again from the inside of MI6.

    I don't think they ever specifically said that Denbigh is MI6, they simply said 'Whitehall', so my guess is that just as Guy Haines was personal friend of the prime minister on the part of Quantum, Denbigh will reveal himself as Blofeld's person *inside* the government battling M over the fate of the secret service (perhaps even as part of Quantum's 'we have people everywhere' statement, which would bring White back into the picture; remember, Quantum simply makes the introductions :P).

    Yes, could be. And Ludovico is telling us (source BBC) Denbigh could be from MI5 debating with MI6 about MI6's relevance today.

    The BBC article in question: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/30308894

    From what Scott says, I think he may be not a villain, but another ambiguous "good guy" (technically on the right side, but either misguided, incompetent or simply a pain in the neck bureaucrat). We have been having Beam in QOS, the MP in SF, now why not Denbigh? His name sounds far too soft and well, a bit posh Englishman for a villain. I cannot imagine Bond or M saying: "We have been fooled all along. Denbigh is the true enemy". And even if it was a pseudonym... Even the aliases of Blofeld had a better ring than that.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    I highly doubt they will have Blofeld and Spectre come back for one film only. Where is the sense in that? Reveal enough, slowly enough, entice the viewers, win new fans, make a great film or two or three more with solid scripts ... could be quite another golden era for Bond. I think Spectre and Blofeld will be around for at least 2 more films.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited December 2014 Posts: 12,480
    sorry - this has been happening more over the last few weeks.
    Quadruple post, which did not show at first ... getting rid of duplicates now.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Wether Blofeld turns up or not, the title alone will be enough to garner A LOT of attention.

    And I love the octopus symbol in the shattered glass, seeing that part of the plot is taken from Octopussy, the short story. Also a bit reminiscent of the promotional poster for LALD.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,131
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Wether Blofeld turns up or not, the title alone will be enough to garner A LOT of attention.

    And I love the octopus symbol in the shattered glass, seeing that part of the plot is taken from Octopussy, the short story. Also a bit reminiscent of the promotional poster for LALD.

    It's an octopus? I didn't even notice!
  • Irish007Irish007 Dublin
    Posts: 27
    Really excited about todays annoucement. Despite what's being said in other quarters I feel Denbeigh is a double agent within Whitehall working for SPECTRE
  • mdileo007mdileo007
    Posts: 24
    bondjames wrote: »
    At the risk of overthinking this, what is really curious to me is the already much talked about logo with the cracked glass and spider legs.

    Does this mean that Tracy has already been killed in Craig's universe? Or does it mean that the Tracy story is yet to come in a remake, perhaps in B25, as a Craig swansong (perhaps with Mendes back on board for a big pay day)?

    Reintroducing someone who was last seen being dropped down a chute 33 years ago raises so many possibilities......and so many questions.


    Perhaps Madeleine Swann is the Rebooted era's Tracy...
  • mdileo007mdileo007
    Posts: 24
    bondjames wrote: »
    At the risk of overthinking this, what is really curious to me is the already much talked about logo with the cracked glass and spider legs.

    Does this mean that Tracy has already been killed in Craig's universe? Or does it mean that the Tracy story is yet to come in a remake, perhaps in B25, as a Craig swansong (perhaps with Mendes back on board for a big pay day)?

    Reintroducing someone who was last seen being dropped down a chute 33 years ago raises so many possibilities......and so many questions.


    Perhaps Madeleine Swann is the Rebooted era's Tracy...
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    bondjames wrote: »
    "w2bond wrote: »
    "A cryptic message from Bond's past..."

    How can they make this resonate with the audience?

    Is it from Vesper? From M (in the bulldog, as has been rumoured)? From Tracy? From Mathis?

    I wonder...

    Hi I posted about the Dalton Bull dog yesterday, further backed up by Ralph Fiennes comment that "Dame Judi's ghost will still be haunting the place".
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,369
    Muddyw wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Am I the only one who finds it strange that Michael G. Wilson did not appear at the press event today?
    bondjames wrote: »
    I must say I'm at a loss about what they are going to do. My gut tells me that using Waltz as Blofeld is a little too predictable, and might not really have impact with viewers. There has to be a twist at the end IMO.

    It's great that (maybe for the first time ever but surely for the first time in decades) we do not know exactly which actor will play the main villain of the movie!

    Haha, now that's it! Michael G. Wilson has shaven his head and for the first time ever he will feature as a main character!

    Or, he is still hairy and will eventually only pose as Blofeld without showing his face!

    Now we're talking :-P

    This made me crack up at work. Thank you for that @muddyw =))
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Wether Blofeld turns up or not, the title alone will be enough to garner A LOT of attention.

    And I love the octopus symbol in the shattered glass, seeing that part of the plot is taken from Octopussy, the short story. Also a bit reminiscent of the promotional poster for LALD.

    It's an octopus? I didn't even notice!

    Just look at the old Spectre symbol and the teaser poster, or simply count the legs ;)
  • 00Ralf00Ralf Germany
    Posts: 149
    Question: If they were to re-introduce Blofeld in SPECTRE, would they have to explain Roger's helicopter-chimney-drop from FYEO? Because if yes, I wonder how that'll go.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,585
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Blofeld is an iconic villain. Jesper Christensen playing him would be a grave mistake, especially when you have Christoph Waltz in the movie! What I predict (and what I am hoping) is that Mr. White will appear only in the pre-title sequence, setting the plot in motion. The PTS could be a nod to Quantum and the rest of the movie about SPECTRE.

    I am with you on that. The film opens on White, entering a secret location, to meet with Oberhauser. And that scene sets everything in motion: perhaps White and Quantum not following through on something that SPECTRE wanted. And then Hinx kills him at Oberhauser's order. (????)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Well I must say I'm very surprised. (Not disappointed though.) I was hoping for more original villains and stories but I figured it would happen as many other reboots are bringing back old villains and tweaking iconic stories. For better or worse. I hope the Plot of SPECTRE is a refreshing new take on the organization and Blofeld. I shall reserve any judgments for when the film is released. I have an open mind and wish for the best. I want a really good Bond movie that's all. I just hope it doesn't try to redo OHMSS...
  • JWPepperJWPepper You sit on it, but you can't take it with you.
    Posts: 512
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Am I the only one who finds it strange that Michael G. Wilson did not appear at the press event today?
    Maybe Wilson is stepping back form EON.

    I think there's a possibility that a different actor will be the main villain. Maybe it will be a big actor who hasn't been announced yet. During SkyFall press conference we all thought Fiennes would be the villain.
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