Bond Performance - This week; Roger Moore as James Bond, 007 in A View To A Kill

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    I will have to go with Lazenby in OHMSS. Telling an actor with little experience to make Bond, who was a superman character in the last three films by Connery, to someone who was vulnerable and more about his wits is really an underlooked task.

    Put me down for this.

  • George had potential to be very good, he excelled in the fight scenes, he had the looks and physique, he had no true acting experience and this showed in the movie, he still gave a very good account of himself and he had a very good combination of toughness and charm.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited December 2014 Posts: 2,138
    I know this will cause a backlash but please just respect my opinion as I have yours "Lazenby was hired on looks alone, he is amateur on camera and was not a talented enough actor to replace Sean. His accent was so bad post production he was over dubbed by George Baker. The man blagged his way to land the most wanted role for most male actors in film and blew it because he choose to take drugs hang around with a cult leader and used his sudden found fame for all the wrong reasons. He won't argue with that he talks on the Everything or Nothing documentary about how stupid he was and that he blew it. If you have read the novel you can not argue the film does it no justice. Which is a shame as it is Flemings finest as an author. I have heard the whole physicality argument I don't see it either. However I feel that George was let down. The film looks like it was made on shoe string against what was done on the films before and after. I find it difficult to watch because it is my favourite novel.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    The film looks like it was made on shoe string against what was done on the films before and after.
    I respect your opinions, but isn't one of them. This is a merely baseless dig at the film just to add one in. OHMSS was the last of the lush & expensive Bonds until TSWLM.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited December 2014 Posts: 2,138
    Explain were the budget is spent to support your argument? most of it went on the Piste Gloria set and model, the Ski scenes against a film screen & Tel Savales's salary. Its Bland, James Bland.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    I do tend to skip it when working way through the box set rotation. As I said I gave my opinion, I'm not looking for counter arguments. I have seen enough times even in HD but you just can't polish a turd.
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    Explain were the budget is spent to support your argument? most of it went on the Piste Gloria set and model, the Ski scenes against a film screen & Tel Savales's salary. Its Bland, James Bland.

    You know the production built the helicoptor pad on Pitz Gloria, right? And the entire crew on location for that stretch of time is just an enormous expenditure. OHMSS is a massive production, and if you don't like the picture that's fine, but it's now regarded as one of the best Bond films ever made.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    What a whole helicopter pad?? Hardly Scaramanga's Island, the volcano layer or the interior for fort Knox in Goldfinger they recreated.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited December 2014 Posts: 5,080
    Explain were the budget is spent to support your argument? most of it went on the Piste Gloria set and model, the Ski scenes against a film screen & Tel Savales's salary. Its Bland, James Bland.

    Your "rear projection" example doesn't register. The Dr. No car chase, both Goldfinger car chases and the entire Thunderball finale aboard the Disco Volante all use rear projection- and lest us not forget the rear projection fest known as YOLT (I mean, nearly all the action set pieces use rear projection- the car chase that ends with a drop in the ocean, Little Nellie dogfight etc.) All a much bigger offenders.

    OHMSS is one of the best looking films in the series. The production is on par and even exceeds the films before it. The casino, the wedding venue, all the Swiss locations; all superb. Not to mention the beautiful cinematography that gives a colourful hue to each shot.

  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    Explain were the budget is spent to support your argument? most of it went on the Piste Gloria set and model, the Ski scenes against a film screen & Tel Savales's salary. Its Bland, James Bland.

    Your "rear projection" example doesn't register. The Dr. No car chase, both Goldfinger car chases and the entire Thunderball finale aboard the Disco Volante all use rear projection- and lest us not forget the rear projection fest known as YOLT (I mean, nearly all the action set pieces use rear projection- the car chase that ends with a drop in the ocean, Little Nellie dogfight etc.) All a much bigger offenders.

    OHMSS is one of the best looking films in the series. The production is on par and even exceeds the films before it. The casino, the wedding venue, all the Swiss locations; all superb. Not to mention the beautiful cinematography that gives a colourful hue to each shot.

    Goldfingers budget £3M multiple single unit filming on location cross atlantic, and impressive pinewood reproduction of fort knox vault, an air display team scene props like the kitted out DB5. The aerial scenes involving thousands of actors laying down shows the scale.

    OHMSS budget £7M and none of the above so I think I am quife right to point out how £3M was spent making Goldfinger so I cant see £7M on screen in OHMSS.
  • Posts: 1,146
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Lazenby's come off as more real and visceral to me. As good as the Connery and Craig fights are, they seem more overtly choreographed.
    Laz had the luxury of great photography and super-creative editing. He moved very fluidly, but couldn't handle extended sequences which is why his fights are all in multiple shots. His natural awkwardness at doing multiple moves proved to actually be an advantage in the final product with Bond! Look at any of his Hong Kong movies where he did many moves per shot, and you'll see some severely unnatural looking stuff. He was particularly bad at convincingly powerful kicks. But his punching was usually spot on.

    What?

    The Bobsled chase alone is better than enything done in the 1970's.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Explain were the budget is spent to support your argument? most of it went on the Piste Gloria set and model, the Ski scenes against a film screen & Tel Savales's salary. Its Bland, James Bland.
    Heh heh, I get it. ;) You actually realise what a good looking movie it is but you're playing stupid to provoke a senseless argument for the amusement of it. You silly. But you did fake me out. =D>
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2014 Posts: 23,883
    Explain were the budget is spent to support your argument? most of it went on the Piste Gloria set and model, the Ski scenes against a film screen & Tel Savales's salary.

    I personally like the movie and Lazenby and think it's beautifully filmed, but I have not heard a valid counterargument against these points......yet.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    W
    Explain were the budget is spent to support your argument? most of it went on the Piste Gloria set and model, the Ski scenes against a film screen & Tel Savales's salary. Its Bland, James Bland.

    Your "rear projection" example doesn't register. The Dr. No car chase, both Goldfinger car chases and the entire Thunderball finale aboard the Disco Volante all use rear projection- and lest us not forget the rear projection fest known as YOLT (I mean, nearly all the action set pieces use rear projection- the car chase that ends with a drop in the ocean, Little Nellie dogfight etc.) All a much bigger offenders.

    OHMSS is one of the best looking films in the series. The production is on par and even exceeds the films before it. The casino, the wedding venue, all the Swiss locations; all superb. Not to mention the beautiful cinematography that gives a colourful hue to each shot.

    Goldfingers budget £3M multiple single unit filming on location cross atlantic, and impressive pinewood reproduction of fort knox vault, an air display team scene props like the kitted out DB5. The aerial scenes involving thousands of actors laying down shows the scale.

    OHMSS budget £7M and none of the above so I think I am quife right to point out how £3M was spent making Goldfinger so I cant see £7M on screen in OHMSS.
    Explain were the budget is spent to support your argument? most of it went on the Piste Gloria set and model, the Ski scenes against a film screen & Tel Savales's salary. Its Bland, James Bland.

    Your "rear projection" example doesn't register. The Dr. No car chase, both Goldfinger car chases and the entire Thunderball finale aboard the Disco Volante all use rear projection- and lest us not forget the rear projection fest known as YOLT (I mean, nearly all the action set pieces use rear projection- the car chase that ends with a drop in the ocean, Little Nellie dogfight etc.) All a much bigger offenders.

    OHMSS is one of the best looking films in the series. The production is on par and even exceeds the films before it. The casino, the wedding venue, all the Swiss locations; all superb. Not to mention the beautiful cinematography that gives a colourful hue to each shot.

    Goldfingers budget £3M multiple single unit filming on location cross atlantic, and impressive pinewood reproduction of fort knox vault, an air display team scene props like the kitted out DB5. The aerial scenes involving thousands of actors laying down shows the scale.

    OHMSS budget £7M and none of the above so I think I am quife right to point out how £3M was spent making Goldfinger so I cant see £7M on screen in OHMSS.
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Explain were the budget is spent to support your argument? most of it went on the Piste Gloria set and model, the Ski scenes against a film screen & Tel Savales's salary. Its Bland, James Bland.
    Heh heh, I get it. ;) You actually realise what a good looking movie it is but you're playing stupid to provoke a senseless argument for the amusement of it. You silly. But you did fake me out.

    That doesnt make sense you come out with same nonsense on AJB if you lack the knowledge to form am argument dont reply, but dont put words in my mouth or tell me what I shoulf have meant. I can see on checking your past posts people find you rude on here but thats no suprise. But this is not AJB you dont have your wee admin pals on here to ban people who dont agree with you. Welcome to the layercake son!
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    Explain were the budget is spent to support your argument? most of it went on the Piste Gloria set and model, the Ski scenes against a film screen & Tel Savales's salary. Its Bland, James Bland.

    Your "rear projection" example doesn't register. The Dr. No car chase, both Goldfinger car chases and the entire Thunderball finale aboard the Disco Volante all use rear projection- and lest us not forget the rear projection fest known as YOLT (I mean, nearly all the action set pieces use rear projection- the car chase that ends with a drop in the ocean, Little Nellie dogfight etc.) All a much bigger offenders.

    OHMSS is one of the best looking films in the series. The production is on par and even exceeds the films before it. The casino, the wedding venue, all the Swiss locations; all superb. Not to mention the beautiful cinematography that gives a colourful hue to each shot.

    Goldfingers budget £3M multiple single unit filming on location cross atlantic, and impressive pinewood reproduction of fort knox vault, an air display team scene props like the kitted out DB5. The aerial scenes involving thousands of actors laying down shows the scale.

    OHMSS budget £7M and none of the above so I think I am quife right to point out how £3M was spent making Goldfinger so I cant see £7M on screen in OHMSS.

    I'm not denying Goldfinger's rather extravagant finale, but I think it's unfair to compare GF's production to that of OHMSS; they are both of different ilks when it comes to Bond films.

    But you must also remember that Goldfinger had some pretty cheap looking sets- take for example,the "Miami" hotel, where the background looks as if a child has painted it; the rather lacklustre Goldfinger's stud.

    With OHMSS, every scene is photographed exceptionally well; the cinematography blows Goldfinger out of the water.

    I can easily see where that $7 million was spent; the Casino production, the car rally sequence (again, beautifully shot), exterior and interior shots of Piz Gloria, the ending wedding scene, the assault on Piz Gloria etc.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    W
    Explain were the budget is spent to support your argument? most of it went on the Piste Gloria set and model, the Ski scenes against a film screen & Tel Savales's salary. Its Bland, James Bland.

    Your "rear projection" example doesn't register. The Dr. No car chase, both Goldfinger car chases and the entire Thunderball finale aboard the Disco Volante all use rear projection- and lest us not forget the rear projection fest known as YOLT (I mean, nearly all the action set pieces use rear projection- the car chase that ends with a drop in the ocean, Little Nellie dogfight etc.) All a much bigger offenders.

    OHMSS is one of the best looking films in the series. The production is on par and even exceeds the films before it. The casino, the wedding venue, all the Swiss locations; all superb. Not to mention the beautiful cinematography that gives a colourful hue to each shot.

    Goldfingers budget £3M multiple single unit filming on location cross atlantic, and impressive pinewood reproduction of fort knox vault, an air display team scene props like the kitted out DB5. The aerial scenes involving thousands of actors laying down shows the scale.

    OHMSS budget £7M and none of the above so I think I am quife right to point out how £3M was spent making Goldfinger so I cant see £7M on screen in OHMSS.
    Explain were the budget is spent to support your argument? most of it went on the Piste Gloria set and model, the Ski scenes against a film screen & Tel Savales's salary. Its Bland, James Bland.

    Your "rear projection" example doesn't register. The Dr. No car chase, both Goldfinger car chases and the entire Thunderball finale aboard the Disco Volante all use rear projection- and lest us not forget the rear projection fest known as YOLT (I mean, nearly all the action set pieces use rear projection- the car chase that ends with a drop in the ocean, Little Nellie dogfight etc.) All a much bigger offenders.

    OHMSS is one of the best looking films in the series. The production is on par and even exceeds the films before it. The casino, the wedding venue, all the Swiss locations; all superb. Not to mention the beautiful cinematography that gives a colourful hue to each shot.

    Goldfingers budget £3M multiple single unit filming on location cross atlantic, and impressive pinewood reproduction of fort knox vault, an air display team scene props like the kitted out DB5. The aerial scenes involving thousands of actors laying down shows the scale.

    OHMSS budget £7M and none of the above so I think I am quife right to point out how £3M was spent making Goldfinger so I cant see £7M on screen in OHMSS.
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Explain were the budget is spent to support your argument? most of it went on the Piste Gloria set and model, the Ski scenes against a film screen & Tel Savales's salary. Its Bland, James Bland.
    Heh heh, I get it. ;) You actually realise what a good looking movie it is but you're playing stupid to provoke a senseless argument for the amusement of it. You silly. But you did fake me out.

    That doesnt make sense you come out with same nonsense on AJB if you lack the knowledge to form am argument dont reply, but dont put words in my mouth or tell me what I shoulf have meant. I can see on checking your past posts people find you rude on here but thats no suprise. But this is not AJB you dont have your wee admin pals on here to ban people who dont agree with you. Welcome to the layercake son!

    No need to blow this out of the water.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited December 2014 Posts: 17,801
    That doesnt make sense you come out with same nonsense on AJB if you lack the knowledge to form am argument dont reply, but dont put words in my mouth or tell me what I shoulf have meant. I can see on checking your past posts people find you rude on here but thats no suprise. But this is not AJB you dont have your wee admin pals on here to ban people who dont agree with you. Welcome to the layercake son!

    If you are who I think you might be from AJB you got banned there for being a bit past rude. But sorry, I have no 'wee admin pals' that do my bidding over there. I also have no white Persian cat to stroke as I plan my site domination. :))
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    You think I am, no you see I dont partake in that site, I merely googled your user name and it brought up all you past guff. Most of which is forum posts where you wynd someone up then ask admin to step in when the victim takes your bait, your an internet troll. Cya Golum I dont waste my time with your likes.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    IFM peeps.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    IFM peeps.

    My apologies others, said what I wanted too. Im done, he post his poison, not interested.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited December 2014 Posts: 17,801
    The thing about George IMO was that he was part of the 60's generation that believed the establishment was the problem, and when EON started telling him he couldn't go on interviews with a beard he baulked. He freely admits now to making a mistake in the heat of youth (I can sympathize; I was a dope at 30 as well).
    In the end, he delivered an astonishing performance when one takes into account his lack of theatrical training. Still, as much as I enjoy the overall film, I can't totally get over his blasé attitude through most of it. Like he was at a pretty good but not excellent party. He surely would have improved in time.... too bad. :-?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2014 Posts: 23,883
    chrisisall wrote: »
    The thing about George IMO was that he was part of the 60's generation that believed the establishment was the problem, and when EON started telling him he couldn't go on interviews with a bears he baulked. He freely admits now to making a mistake in the heat of youth (I can sympathize; I was a dope at 30 as well).
    In the end, he delivered an astonishing performance when one takes into account his lack of theatrical training. Still, as much as I enjoy the overall film, I can't totally get over his blasé attitude through most of it. Like he was at a pretty good but not excellent party. He surely would have improved in time.... tan pis.

    Agree 100%
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited December 2014 Posts: 17,801
    Birdleson wrote: »
    To be fair, @chrisisall tends to rub people the wrong way, but then he usually realizes what he's done, concedes to his rash behavior and moves on.
    I can be a d*ck sometimes, yes. I try to play well with others, but sometimes I fail. Fortunately I don't have Q branch backing up my momentary lapses in judgement by allowing me to use a GHETTO BLASTAH on peeps!!! :P
  • Posts: 1,146
    His accent was so bad post production he was over dubbed by George Baker.

    Actually Lazenby's voice was dubbed to resemble the character Bond was impersonating in the film.
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    What a whole helicopter pad?? Hardly Scaramanga's Island, the volcano layer or the interior for fort Knox in Goldfinger they recreated.

    (shrug) your argument was not that the other films were lavish, but that OHMSS was not, and counting the amount of sets built as well as the 20-some costume changes for Lazenby alone, this was a very large production.
  • Connery said he wanted to be in a Bond move like OHMSS if he could. Problem is that neither he, Moore, nor Brosnan really worked harder towards the role for each and every one of their movies. It was as though the role was solely a paycheck. Dalton, Craig invested their minds into the role. Lazenby invested all his money away but that's another story...
  • edited December 2014 Posts: 11,189
    Laz had his moments but I really wouldn't say his performance was "astonishing" by any means. That seems just a bit of an exaggeration to me. At TIMES yes he's very good but even then he had the likes of Hunt to back him up.
  • Posts: 183
    For me Lazenby is the worst thing about what is otherwise a great film. Yes he does a great job for someone with relatively little acting experience, but the harsh reality is he just doesn't cut. The film ranks somewhere in the middle for me but I have no doubt that with someone like Dalton or Craig in the role it would have been top 5 easily.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    With Dalton or Craig or Connery it would have been a more completely great film, yes.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,801
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Laz had his moments but I really wouldn't say his performance was "astonishing" by any means. That seems just a bit of an exaggeration to me.
    That was a heavily qualified 'astonishing'. A more realistic way of saying it might be 'unexpectedly serviceable.' ;)
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