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I think dubbing is ok as long as the original version is also available to people. Let them choose.
At these times I truly long for my native country Netherlands, which is the most densely "populated" IMAX-original-version-Country....after the UK. I truly miss it :-(.
At these times I truly long for my native country Netherlands, which is the most densely "populated" IMAX-original-version-Country....after the UK. I truly miss it :-(.
Thanks buddy ;-). Just wanted to inject a sincere feeling of "on-topic-ness" :-P.
but we have to take into consideration, that a lot of the audiences out there will never stop being thirsty for brutal action. Their money is needed, too. Badly, I might add. If China feels, its just talkie talk, they not gonna show up. Their money is needed as well. Badly...etc etc.
So, this in mind, I hope the next teases the action.
True. It almost feels as though they should cut region-specific trailers. Like you say, China will want something along the lines of M:I. I guess the great thing about SP is that there appears to be so much action, they only need show one in bulk and flashes of others (if at all) or fleeting glimpses of each. SF didn't really have that luxury.
I wish I had a teacher like you.
Ditto.
Regarding a 2nd trailer....I think it will be more action oriented, perhaps with some humurous lines as well.
Now a clear look at how the publicity for "SPECTRE" has been shaping up so far:
04.12.2014:
--> Title presentation at Pinewood Studios, simply "SPECTRE", creating orgasms around the fan community :-P. Some people at first were a bit disappointed, but I thought this: By jolly, this is damn smart from a marketing point-of-view.
--> Official 1st Teaser Poster with the bullit hole turning into the Octopus-logo.
--> Official 1st "visual footage of the title evolving in a logo", basically making it a small teaser trailer in itself:
--> No press conference, but a "photo call", leaving many narrative story elements open for debate.
--> Automotive websites are reporting about this "sudden" new Aston Martin DB10.
07.01.2015:
--> First photoshoot or "photocall", on top of the Gaislachkogl in Sölden, Austria.
--> Present: Daniel Craig, Léa Seydoux & Dave Bautista.
--> Also these photocalls generate some nice publicity.
11.02.2015:
--> First videoblog, basically giving us the first footage from Austria and a behind-the-scenes look of "SPECTRE".
--> Make no mistake, these so called "vlogs" are "teaser trailers" in itself too. They help generating more awareness on the film. And Bond started this tradition with "Quantum Of Solace".
--> Marvel Entertainment is doing exactly the same:
26.02.2015:
--> Second videoblog or "vlog", this time with director Sam Mendes.
--> Another ingenious little "trailer".
08.03.2015:
--> Second "photocall", this time at the mayor's house in Rome, Italy.
--> Present: Daniel Craig & Monica Bellucci.
--> "Bond's knee seems to be okay guys!!"
16.03.2015:
--> Official 2nd Teaser Poster featuring Daniel Craig in a Steve McQueen/Roger Moore-esque pose.
--> Generating quite some media attention on fashion blogs. It's all about the "turtle-neck"!
20.03.2015:
--> Third "photocall" ánd first real press conference, in Mexico-City, Mexico.
--> Present: Stephanie Sigman & Michael G. Wilson (producer)
27.03.2015:
--> Extensive coverage of the first real teaser trailer, on a date -27.03.2015- that is way way earlier than normally used to be the case with Bond films. The "Skyfall" teaser appeared in May 2012.
--> The trailer itself: A dastardly, ingeniously crafted trailer, that goes viral everywhere. IMO, the smartest teaser trailer ever from the Craig-era and the Brosnan-era combined.
--> Presented to journalists in Mexico as a small "movie event"
--> Extensive Q&A-sessions with producers Barbara Broccoli & Michael G. Wilson.
--> Extensive interviews appear on various movie websites.
In all my life as a Bond fan (the first one I saw in cinema was "Licence To Kill" in 1989) I've never seen such extensive coverage. Not just extensive, I call the marketing/publicity machine of Sony/MGM/Eon for "SPECTRE" truly magnificent.....even better as compared to "CR", "QOS" and "SF". What they've basically been doing to us fans and many other non-Bond-fans since December 4th 2014, was "brainwashing" us with "SPECTRE"! It's as simple as that.
So far the new Bond film "SPECTRE" keeps showing up on movie websites. Sony/MGM/Eon know very well that you need to keep "SPECTRE" in the news every month, every week. The skillful scheduled promotional events are being released to us in a magnificent combo of trailers (2)/vlogs (3)/photocalls (4)/pressco's (1)/posters (2).
And this is not the only thing. Extra promotional results come from, here I go again, "big name actors". If you want it or not....fans of Dave Bautista (lots of Americans, WWE-fans, Marvel-fans) and Christoph Waltz (fans of Tarantino) will rush to the cinemas, especially after seeing the first teaser trailer.
The same goes for the cast. Sam Mendes is a "big name director". He's a magnet. Michael Wilson said it himself. He attracts actors that normally perhaps would not want to be in a Bond film.
And financially, I have a strong feeling that Sony/MGM/Eon have a "450/125 approach" for the USA and China. They know damn well that "Skyfall" did terrific globally, but they also know there's room for improvement for "SPECTRE" in the USA and China. In both territories "Skyfall" did good, but many other franchises did better.
Sony/MGM/Eon are, I think, aiming for a $450 Million box office result in the USA, similar to what "The Dark Knight Rises" and "The Dark Knight" did. And for China, they desperately want a PLUS $100 Million box office gross. Especially since the release of "Skyfall" got postponed to a very late date in China. Expect that, as we speak, heavy negotiations are taking place between Sony and CFGC Huaxia Distribution.
I still stand with my prediction: $1.2 Billion for "SPECTRE".
Let's be honest, it's very early doors. Thus far they've delivered, in my opinion, a decent logo reveal/poster, a rather underwhelming official teaser and a really brilliant teaser trailer. As I said in my post above, I'm intrigued to see where they go with the next trailer and how that will impact on what they've done so successfully with the teaser. As obvious as it sounds, they can promote the hell out of this movie, but it's the movie itself that has to deliver. I'm a firm believer that 007 does not court a hardcore fanbase in the way that other franchises do, see Marvel/Star Wars, and so the proof is always in the pudding. I'm excited to see the finished product in November.
Could be, although I'm a Star Trek-fan as well. That fanbase is very hardcore too. Perhaps....too...hardcore. As the past two Trek-films have been succesful, but came nowhere to the $500 Million box office threshold.
But I do agree with you that in the end the movie needs to work. That's another key to success. Critics need to generate the next step of "free publicity", when they write about "SPECTRE" being a complete top or a slight flop. It's also the key to a strong holdover (SF) or not (QOS).
Yeah, good point about Star Trek. I've never been a Trekkie myself, but always get the impression they're almost 'beyond hardcore', to the point where they are all unerringly objective about the films. In a way, they're probably the most similar to Bond fans.
I do genuinely think that positive reviews are the biggest key to SP's success. Sound obvious, but positive reviews for the 'SF sequel' will guarantee massive success, I imagine.
Well, we're talking about a franchise that makes most of his money in non-English countries, and whose next instalment will feature a main cast in which 2/3rd of the actors and actresses do not speak English as their native tongue. Dubbing is quite a topic then, actually. It is often overlooked or dismissed in a very vocal manner, but it is actually quite important in the big picture ! The dubbed versions of the trailer, Russia + French + Germany, have already 1.5 M views...
Lea Seydoux, in a recent interview, talked about acting in French vs acting in English, and well, she says..
I talked about the problems with subtitles and 3D, well IMAX is a bit the same. Seeing huge white letters on your IMAX screen, having to significantly look down to look at them, can be a problem for some moviegoers, without them being "idiots". I just looked at the schedules here in Paris, IMAX original version are very rare, even for blockbusters for which non-IMAX original versions are quite easy to find.
Many people dismissing dubbing are very vocal, but I will argue that you can like to watch dubbed versions and yet not be an idiot. As for "respect", tell me if you think you're really respecting the DoP when you watch the movie on a little screen. Have you seen YOLT on a big screen during a fan festival ? I have. It was dubbed, but I feel I have seen more the "true YOLT" than a subtitled YOLT on a computer screen.
Right now, I'm watching All the President's Men on TV. I have the choice between dubbing and subtitles. The dialog goes so fast, you here dialogs on the phone etc.. *and the dubbing is so incredibly good*, that I chose to look at the dubbed version. And I don't feel I'm an idiot. I will agree "incredibly good dubbing" seems to become rarer and rarer. But it exists.
About the marketing : Am I the only one to wonder why they "spoiled" the reveal with an Access Hollywood worldwide premiere ?? Is this a teaser for viewers interested in One Direction's crisis and Katy Perry's wardrobe ?
I am another. (". . . we have people everywhere."). I just showed it to my film class (I teach part-time at a University).
Some of my students have now seen clips from the series for the first time. Enlightenment!
Yesterday I showed the son of my Moroccon friend Khalid "Quantum Of Solace". It was his first Bond film, and he was completely awedddd :-P. Especially when I said that there were 22 (24) more of these Bond films. Hehehe, always good to infect people with the Bond-virus :-P.
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I love the 'John Glen' animal scare.
I Wonder if that is indeed a nod to director John Glen? Sam Mendes becomes the 1st director since Glen to direct 2 consecutive Bond films.