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I thought there were some great cues in the score and I was relieved to hear someone else's interpretation and creative vision for Bond after Arnold's run.
However, I can appreciate how some felt it was a little low key. It was too subtle in places and needed more spark and intensity in some areas.
Mendes is trying not to duplicate his work on SF with SP, so there's no reason to think he will not instruct Newman to bring a different sound as well.
I've never really appreciated Arnold's Barry-lite interpretation personally, except for a few cues (like Night at the Opera for example). So while I can appreciate people not taking to Newman, I've always felt Arnold was punching in a weight class that was just outside his capabilities...
Just me though.
Agreed. He gets points for trying though, but to my mind Arnold only wrote 4 top class Bond pieces:
TND Pts score
QoS Night@opera
Bahamas' beach scene & Montenegro train scores from CR (both far too short, alas)
I think Casino he did a very good job with brining in the main theme elements, I think thats what a lot of fans do not feel there is enough of now and something which they miss. It's not Newmans bag, he likes to be original. I think the Spectre soundtrack will be darker with haunting qaulities lot of Bass Cello stuff going on. The playful charm box sound playing the original theme in the trailer has a really disturbing quallity to it.
My worry with Newman is how hesitant he seemed to use the Bond theme. There are shades of it occasionally, but he never once uses it in full force other than the end credits. It’s like he felt that he was above it – being such a lofty composer he didn’t want to go slumming with something as common as the Bond theme. But there are moments in SPECTRE that will absolutely demand the Bond theme, and if he doesn’t use it, I will be livid.
Of course, in a perfect world, the film would be scored by Michael Giacchino and we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.
Maybe it was Mendes who wanted less Bond theme, and instructed Newman accordingly, in order to create the necessary impact for his 'pet project' DB5 reveal scene.....
I'm sure we'll here it more often in SP......for sure.
Just play it over the entire film as far as I am concerned. It is that good.
Correctamundo!
Glad we're in agreement, doubleoego!
I believe in Skyfall at the Macau casino scene Mendes asked for an orchestral cut of the adele theme to be added. Newman handed the job to his under study. I think he is only interested in composing original pieces and not interested in playing around with something created by another composser or musician. I respect that I reckon that was a condition to Newman agreeing to join up on Skyfall after all Newman was a real left field choice for doing a Bond film but hin and Mendes are a bit of a package ever since American Beauty I think creatively they respect one another enough to not step on the creativity of the other.
This imho is where the real problem lies.
If I'm not mistaken, in Barry's day, he actually composed the title track as well. Things got a little tricky with AHA and him for TLD, but normally it worked... Even Barry (a man, like all creative geniuses, who could be very demanding and difficult to work with due to his high standards) had issues with some of the artists he had to work with.
These days I think the musician does the track and then hands it over to the composer to work/weave in his magic and incorporate it into the score. The more creative types (like Newman) are wont to feel left out and short changed, and may not give 100% to an arrangement like this.
In fact, this may be why Barry himself did not return post-TLD (despite what he told the press). He may just have got fed up with the new commercial nature of the whole thing with artists/record companies getting more say.
Or Universal. Universal and Sony working together sometimes. Sony Classical wil possible release score like as happend with CR and Skyfall. Or mabey Universal label Decca Music (Spy Game, Johny English), MCA (The World Is Not Enough) or A&M Records (Tomorrow Never Dies). Warner possible take over for Bond 25, Warner release score of DAD. It take till half July 2002 before there confirm Madonna. I am happy enough if there confirm it before half September.
I have a "Bond workout" playlist on iTunes and run to the "C-130 fight" almost every evening. Just another example of Barry weaving a snippet of a theme into his music. What made this particular track so special (as well as the attack on Bladen Safe House), was how "Where Has Everybody Gone" became a character. It clearly portrayed antagonist villain.
Many people have made this similar comment so at the risk of repeating, I'll just say that Newman is a fine composer. Some of my all time favorite movies (Shawshank, Road to Perdition) had music from Newman. He has a distinctive sound. When you hear his music in a film, you know it is him. Yes, it is moody and not very action-oriented. But it works so well in his films. IMHO, the music scored for the Turkey PTS in SF was actually strong. He even weaved in the Bond theme a bit. Listen to it on YouTube. Well done. The continued fight on top of the train also had some exciting music to it. After that, the upbeat, action-oriented cues dropped and we were left with great examples of Newman's work except, it was in a bond movie. Bond movies have amazing action sequences. The music should match. Not just a cymbal or snare drum being hit with sixteenth notes. Barry, Arnold, hell, even Conti incorporated themes into the action. cues. Music is as much a character in the Bond films as the actor portraying 007. The Austin Powers series probably made the best Bond-spoof (although, Kingsman was so awesome...from a Bond fan perspective) and one of the ways in which they spoofed Bond was with the music. Almost spot on to early Barry phrases.
So as long as we have a decent theme song, as well as cues from that song embedded within the soundtrack, heavily doused with Bond theme, I'll be satisfied with the music in SPECTRE.
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*puts on flame suit*
I agree.
No thanks. I'll pass thank you very much.
Much rather have something along these lines myself:
or this: