SPECTRE Leaks Discussion (allowed on ONLY this thread) MAJOR PLOTLINE SPOILERS!

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  • The most glaring change seems to be M fighting C, rather than Bond killing him rather anti-climactically like in the script. I, for one, am quite happy about this change! I don't notice anything else that's obviously changed, although I don't remember the "I am the author of all your pain" line in the script.

    I wasn't a huge fan of Bond's confrontation with C just because it seemed so derivative of Bond and Dryden in CR. Switching it to M solves that problem. Not to mention M had been battling C all along, it should be his payoff to get to finish him off.
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    I am glad with the change of 'M vs. C' as well as the 'pain' line. it will be interesting to see how much of the climax as it was written remain in the final film.

    come to think of it, CW facial scarring at the end of the movie would let the producers recast the role if necessary for bond 25 (good move on their part).
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    In the script, was Swann the one who announced the name of the organisation being called Spectre? I didn't think it was but need to check back.

    Seems there's been some tweaks with a fair bit of the dialogue though.
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    slyfox wrote: »
    In the script, was Swann the one who announced the name of the organisation being called Spectre? I didn't think it was but need to check back.

    Seems there's been some tweaks with a fair bit of the dialogue though.

    Yes.
  • leas_moleleas_mole love is the promise of suffering
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    slyfox wrote: »
    In the script, was Swann the one who announced the name of the organisation being called Spectre? I didn't think it was but need to check back.

    Seems there's been some tweaks with a fair bit of the dialogue though.

    Yes.
    Checked the script and Madeleine does say "It's name is SPECTRE" - but she loses 'the hell' from 'why should I trust you' - minor tweaks.
  • edited July 2015 Posts: 3,164
    Or maybe as it usually is the 'hell' was cut from the trailer. Lines usually get tweaked and edited in the way they want.
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    slyfox wrote: »
    In the script, was Swann the one who announced the name of the organisation being called Spectre? I didn't think it was but need to check back.

    Seems there's been some tweaks with a fair bit of the dialogue though.

    Funny you ask that, because when I read the script and saw that line, I immediately thought, "That line will be in the trailer." It just seemed like it would work narratively for the audience but still be evocative and mysterious. I was right (for once)!

  • I wondered if they would have used the "Brother" lines to put in the trailer to create huge buzz (is the movie about Bond's brother ?), but they didn't.
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    I wondered if they would have used the "Brother" lines to put in the trailer to create huge buzz (is the movie about Bond's brother ?), but they didn't.
    Good. I think there'd be a big reaction, sure, but not necessarily positive when taken out of context.

    There are already whispers of Goldmember etc

  • Well IMO Sony has not a reputation of playing it safe as far as spoilers and promotion are concerned. They may use the "Brother" lines in the last few weeks ! But no one knows obviously.
  • If I were them I'd avoid using the "Brother" angle. It's a very difficult one to pull off and outside of the context of the film it sounds absolutely absurd. I think they're better off sitting on that one until the movie comes out.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Yeah the whole "Brother" angle is what I hated from the beginning.
  • edited July 2015 Posts: 4,619
    slyfox wrote: »
    In the script, was Swann the one who announced the name of the organisation being called Spectre?

    In an earlier version of the script, the name Spectre was written by Q on the bathroom mirror in a hotel in Austria, before he got kidnapped. In the December version of the screenplay the name is revealed by Swann, just like in the trailer.
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    slyfox wrote: »
    In the script, was Swann the one who announced the name of the organisation being called Spectre?

    In an earlier version of the script, the name Spectre was written by Q on the bathroom mirror in a hotel in Austria, before he got kidnapped. In the December version of the screenplay the name is revealed by Swann, just like in the trailer.

    That's right. Thanks guys.

    They omitted the playful exchange with Bond and Swann at the clinic. That could easily be used for a future trailer as well.
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    I was wondering how others view this Films connection to the previous three films.

    My personal idea

    First I think Blofeld\Oberhauser was always the head of Quantum\Spectre so when he found out Bond became 007 he set his revenge plan in motion

    Casino Royale I believe once M assigned him to the case he made sure Vesper was there to end his career there with him losing the game. When it became clear to Vesper's Quantum superiors she is falling for him the plan changed to allow Bond to win and escape (hence Mr. White killing Le Chiffe and Mathis line about someone sending a message). Le Chife also acting on orders of Quantum alienated Bond from his friend Mathis but saying he was the leak when he really wasn't.

    Quantum of Solace: I genuinely don't think this was part of blofelds plan however this has implications on spectre and explains the name change. In the film Mr White during interrogation won't even reveal the name of the organization. I think the reason is due to keeping everything secret from mi6. Once bond overhears it in Bregenz Austria and gets photos of some of the mid level guys including Dominic Green and Guy Haines this is where the name switch takes place from Quantum to Spectre. I also believe the political pressure to remove bond from the assignment is caused by spectre as well as Mathis and Fields murders.

    Skyfall: much like bond interfers with Quantum\Spectre non bond plans in Quantum of Solace (I don't think for one second Blofeld set up a criminal empire just to destroy 007 I am sure he did it for money power other reasons too) Silva and Patrice come along to mess up MI6's non quantum plans. I don't believe Silva is a quantum\spectre agent (unless the film specifically says so) but I do think they funded him and Patrice as well as most of Silva's men are indeed Quantum\spectre agents. With M dead they feel bond is truely alone however M prerecord information regarding Quantum\Spectre which kicks off the events of Spectre


    So what is everyone else's thoughts?
    I also have ideas on how the video games connect but I need to think more about that.
  • I'm hoping Silva isn't part of Spectre like in the script. I like how these modern Bond films would be taking a leaf out of the old Bond films by having villains from the organisation in the first two films, a solo villain then returning to the organisation. It's another subtle throwback and I like it.
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    M fighting C instead of Bond doing a CR PCS on him, puzzles me. It makes no sense. Don't forget what happens immediately after with Oberhauser appearing on all screens thanking Bond for doing his work for him.
    But in the December script there's a huge continuity error in the 3rd act (Swann leaving for Paris after kissing Bond goodbye, then getting caught by Oberhauser in the Paris airport, and then returning to London as hostage, at the same time it takes Bond to go from point A to point B in London). So they must have changed parts of the 3rd act to fix this.
  • It almost looks like they're at the glass banister of a stairway or something. Maybe M shoots him off the edge? That'd be cool.
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    Hello everyone

    Is this the final draft ?

    If it's the case, i'm a little disappointed by the final... A little too ordinary for my taste.

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  • edited July 2015 Posts: 625
    Batmind wrote: »
    Hello everyone

    Is this the final draft ?

    If it's the case, i'm a little disappointed by the final... A little too ordinary for my taste.

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    No, the final (leaked) draft is from December 2014, not October.
    But the ending is almost the same.
    But we don't know what they changed since December.
  • x007AceOfSpadesx007AceOfSpades Sunny Southern California
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    Batmind wrote: »
    Hello everyone

    Is this the final draft ?

    If it's the case, i'm a little disappointed by the final... A little too ordinary for my taste.

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    Those are the plot notes/outline which are revised from the shooting script, I want to say that it could be final, since it matches up pretty well with the script I have, but It looks like someone else here may have a different draft or something.
  • Sorry but I really haven't caught up with the last leaked script at all. Do we still have a Judi Dench cameo?? Will Bond get a movie
  • According to the Dec. 1 script, there will be a video of the Judi Dench M that Bond watches.
  • Alright, thanks.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    I haven't read any leaked scripts and tried to stay as far as possible from the spoilers.
    But I have a question for those who read the script: - Is there a parkour chase in the movie à la Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace?
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    Walecs wrote: »
    I haven't read any leaked scripts and tried to stay as far as possible from the spoilers.
    But I have a question for those who read the script: - Is there a parkour chase in the movie à la Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace?

    There are some short action moments without cars, planes/helicopters, boats etc. - but there is no real foot chase.
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    Not even at the beginning in Mexico City?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Nope. Estrella gives Bond a jet pack to go after Sciarra and his jet pack conveniently runs out of fuel just as he reaches the chopper.
  • edited July 2015 Posts: 2,015
    So, who has came across "The Collector of Death" in the leaks ?

    Also, note that the trailer IMO makes it quite clear SPECTRE is not a "Bond on a mission" movie, with the lines about holidays, no authority, you're finished, etc.. And yet in the non-leaks thread, not all of the fans get it (the Q lab scene could create confusion).

    Finally, about the "Brother" lines not used in the trailer : I think the reaction of Bond in the trailer when seeing Oberhauser hints a bit at the "I know this guy" theme already. I think there's still some possibility they'll play the "Brother" angle in the promotion. This forum could be quite hot :)
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    I haven't read any leaked scripts and tried to stay as far as possible from the spoilers.
    But I have a question for those who read the script: - Is there a parkour chase in the movie à la Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace?

    There are some short action moments without cars, planes/helicopters, boats etc. - but there is no real foot chase.

    Thank you very much.
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