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Common misconceptions about Bond movies

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  • trevaniantrevanian
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    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    jackdagger wrote: »
    It really bothers me when people consider NSNA as part of the official series canon.

    I agree on that. Obviously people can choose to as they wish, live and let live and all that, but at the end of the day, we must realise that NSNA is nothing more than a James Bond imitation. You won't find it in the Bond50 set, anyway.

    Actually it IS in my Bond 50 set, in the slot they left open for SKYFALL, which I am not ever going to own unless somebody breaks in and hides it in my home.

  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    trevanian wrote: »
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    jackdagger wrote: »
    It really bothers me when people consider NSNA as part of the official series canon.

    I agree on that. Obviously people can choose to as they wish, live and let live and all that, but at the end of the day, we must realise that NSNA is nothing more than a James Bond imitation. You won't find it in the Bond50 set, anyway.

    Actually it IS in my Bond 50 set, in the slot they left open for SKYFALL, which I am not ever going to own unless somebody breaks in and hides it in my home.

    So NSNA is better than Skyfall? if you respond yes, can anyone ever take your comments on this forum seriously again??
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited August 2015 Posts: 5,080
    Perhaps you should replace Octopussy instead, because then it would make sense, since Never Say Never Again wasn't released in 2012.
  • trevaniantrevanian
    Posts: 232
    SirHilaryBray wrote: »
    trevanian wrote: »
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    jackdagger wrote: »
    It really bothers me when people consider NSNA as part of the official series canon.

    I agree on that. Obviously people can choose to as they wish, live and let live and all that, but at the end of the day, we must realise that NSNA is nothing more than a James Bond imitation. You won't find it in the Bond50 set, anyway.

    Actually it IS in my Bond 50 set, in the slot they left open for SKYFALL, which I am not ever going to own unless somebody breaks in and hides it in my home.

    So NSNA is better than Skyfall? if you respond yes, can anyone ever take your comments on this forum seriously again??

    If that were the criteria, why would they have EVER taken my comments seriously?

    I have despised SKYFALL from first (nearly only) viewing, and have never made any secret of how misguided I have found praise for it and CASINO to be. I think this 'bond staring into his navel' as essayed by Craig is a horrendous misstep, as for my money he is staring into some other character's navel, as this ain't Fleming's Bond or cinema Bond or anything I enjoy watching (outside of some QUANTUM scenes.)

    In short: yes (and I am NOT a NSNA fan, its rewatchability is limited.)
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    I respect your opinions, but claiming that NSNA is better than Skyfall? Seriously?
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    Posts: 1,130
    Well yesterday iwas checking on google who is considered the best Bond but in spanish speaking sites and well most mentioned Sean Connery Pierce Brosnan and Roger Moore and all of because of the missconception that Bond is just about being a handsome and charming spy.

    Which in part its true but very few know Bond is more Like Craig's and Dalton's versions of tge character.
    They claim what many did before Casino Royale became a succesful movie.

    You all know i prefer the cinematic Bond over Fleming's but its funny reading almost everyone thoughts on Bond sites which are in Spanish.
    More than missconception is a limited conception.


    Anyway in those they still take Lazenby and Dalton as a failure meanwhile here now are two very beloved Bond actors, in latin sites On her Majesty's secret service is just a film they mention because they have but its something that's its not worth to mention much.
  • trevaniantrevanian
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    Walecs wrote: »
    I respect your opinions, but claiming that NSNA is better than Skyfall? Seriously?

    Outside of the Hong Kong skyscraper interior visuals (a scene I do rewatch on streaming, with the sound off, probably every few months, while not watching anything else from the movie), I don't like anything -- not a single thing I can recall, anyway -- in SF. Plus I'm actually offended by the wrongheadedness of so much stuff in SF ... NSNA didn't ever engage enough to really piss me off when it (often) went astray. So it'd be fair to say I find NSNA much less rotten than SF.

    In fact, I guess on that basis even TND, VIEW and MR are (gulp, gasp, hard to right that about anything) better, too. Not saying SF didn't aspire to be more than those by-the-numbers efforts, but again, I found the approach and execution just awful ... just like CR.

    I thought a lot about NSNA today, and really think that if you track some 'up' music onto the thing (sort of like how Horner scores amp up moments shot by pedestrian directors, like Nimoy on trek 3), NSNA, wouldn't seem so ... let's be polite and call it 'stately.'

    I'm thinking with the way the thing looks and feels, you could probably track Goldsmith music from FLINT onto it and it would play a ton better, even if the cues were too period to really jive. ANYthing but that Legrand score.

    I also found it funny that my old boss at CINEFEX claimed in print that NSNA was arguably the best Bond movie ever when it came out, and apparently made the same claim about the 06 CR either in print or online. Now THAT seems schizophrenic.



  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited August 2015 Posts: 2,138
    trevanian wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    I respect your opinions, but claiming that NSNA is better than Skyfall? Seriously?

    Outside of the Hong Kong skyscraper interior visuals (a scene I do rewatch on streaming, with the sound off, probably every few months, while not watching anything else from the movie), I don't like anything -- not a single thing I can recall, anyway -- in SF. Plus I'm actually offended by the wrongheadedness of so much stuff in SF ... NSNA didn't ever engage enough to really piss me off when it (often) went astray. So it'd be fair to say I find NSNA much less rotten than SF.

    In fact, I guess on that basis even TND, VIEW and MR are (gulp, gasp, hard to right that about anything) better, too. Not saying SF didn't aspire to be more than those by-the-numbers efforts, but again, I found the approach and execution just awful ... just like CR.

    I thought a lot about NSNA today, and really think that if you track some 'up' music onto the thing (sort of like how Horner scores amp up moments shot by pedestrian directors, like Nimoy on trek 3), NSNA, wouldn't seem so ... let's be polite and call it 'stately.'

    I'm thinking with the way the thing looks and feels, you could probably track Goldsmith music from FLINT onto it and it would play a ton better, even if the cues were too period to really jive. ANYthing but that Legrand score.

    I also found it funny that my old boss at CINEFEX claimed in print that NSNA was arguably the best Bond movie ever when it came out, and apparently made the same claim about the 06 CR either in print or online. Now THAT seems schizophrenic.



    Were you one of those guys who set up Daniel Craig is not Bond hate sites after he was announced as Bond and now can't back down? I have never heard anyone on here, AJB forum or anywhere else say they thought Casino and SF execution was "just awful" that's really harsh and honestly think you just have poor taste. May I ask what films outside of Bond that you enjoy or would rather see Bond be like??
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I read earlier last week a blog post in La Presse, Montreal's biggest francophone newspaper. Both the post and the comments are riddled with gross misconceptions about James Bond and the movies. I was downright outrage. I wrote a comment I thought was very polite, but it is still in moderation limbo.

    Anyway, for those who understand French, here it is: http://blogues.lapresse.ca/moncinema/lussier/2015/09/04/comment-voulez-vous-votre-james-bond/
  • GerardGerard
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    Another one I had (oh, for a very short time) : the flying car scene from TMWTGG happens in the book. Thankfully, a short while later, I borrowed the book at my local library. In fact, I borrowed most of the books at my local library, and was soon rid of the misconception that the books were just like the movies.
  • jobojobo
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    You can say and think what you want of Skyfall and Casino, but claiming they were 'badly executed'? That's just ridiculous! From a technical standpoint they represent the very best Bond has to offer, regardless of what you think of the story or style.

    Besides I have no idea what this has to do with the concept of this thread... Or why such aggression is needed...
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    jobo wrote: »
    You can say and think what you want of Skyfall and Casino, but claiming they were 'badly executed'? That's just ridiculous! From a technical standpoint they represent the very best Bond has to offer, regardless of what you think of the story or style.

    Besides I have no idea what this has to do with the concept of this thread... Or why such aggression is needed...

    Indeed. Especially given he then states he thinks NSNA is actually better than SF.

    Can I be the first to use the current mot du jour and say that guy is risible?
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    A common misconception: Bond girls are just stupid eye candy, or Bond girls should be stupid eye candy. I am surprised at the number of casual viewers I've met who either think all Bond girls are more or less like Denise Richards, or that she is the archetypal/perfect Bond girl.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    And for every film, THIS time it s different.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Or it's personal...

    Every Bond film is the same.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    The villain captures Bond, explains a convoluted plan, puts Bond in a death trap, and then Bond escapes in an equally convoluted way (courtesy of Kingsman).
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    PDJamesBond wrote: »
    The big misconception that bothers me is that Bond films are action movies, when they're really not. Yes, they do have action, but the majority of them have a lot less action than the general public seems to think. Lethal Weapon these films are not.

    I agree whole heartedly, Fleming called them "Thrillers". The original EON productions were "Adventure" films. When they became standard action fare in the '90s is when the series hit it's low point.
    My friend, you forget the likes of Bond fighting on the outside of an airplane hull it seems....
    :))
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    And for every film, THIS time it s different.

    This is more marketing ploy than misconception.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Certainly.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    SirHilaryBray wrote: »
    Most non Bond fans think OHMSS is called "The one where he gets married".

    Sounds like an episode of Friends :))
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    SirHilaryBray wrote: »
    Most non Bond fans think OHMSS is called "The one where he gets married".

    Sounds like an episode of Friends :))
    LOL.
  • gumboltgumbolt Now with in-office photocopier
    Posts: 153
    That they are like the books - it undermines both the cinematic and literary series.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,117
    gumbolt wrote: »
    That they are like the books - it undermines both the cinematic and literary series.

    A lot of people don't even know there are books to begin with.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,795
    Ludovico wrote: »
    gumbolt wrote: »
    That they are like the books - it undermines both the cinematic and literary series.

    A lot of people don't even know there are books to begin with.
    You mean like novelizations?
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,117
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    gumbolt wrote: »
    That they are like the books - it undermines both the cinematic and literary series.

    A lot of people don't even know there are books to begin with.
    You mean like novelizations?

    That sort of people.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,795
    Ludovico wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    gumbolt wrote: »
    That they are like the books - it undermines both the cinematic and literary series.

    A lot of people don't even know there are books to begin with.
    You mean like novelizations?

    That sort of people.

    Chain successfully yanked. ;))
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    No doubt a lot of the wacky action stuff pre-dates Brosnan. But I do point to house years as to when the character became an indestructible killing machine.
    That's Craig.

    B-)
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,117
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    No doubt a lot of the wacky action stuff pre-dates Brosnan. But I do point to house years as to when the character became an indestructible killing machine.
    That's Craig.

    B-)

    He's far more vulnerable than any Bond before him though.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,795
    Ludovico wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    No doubt a lot of the wacky action stuff pre-dates Brosnan. But I do point to house years as to when the character became an indestructible killing machine.
    That's Craig.

    B-)

    He's far more vulnerable than any Bond before him though.

    See: Skyfall.
  • BondBugBondBug
    Posts: 158
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    "Bond is just for 12 year old boys."

    My biggest frustration is when I tell people I'm a huge Bond fan, I frequently visit a news forum about it, and I sometimes care to write fan fiction about the character. They usually make me out to be weird or joke that I am 12. Then I point out their fascination with Jennifer Lawrence or love of the Marvel movies and they shut up.

    In my opinion, wanting to be a part of something that has 50 years of film history, almost 60+ years of writing history, is known at every corner of the world, and with films that have been seen by over half of the World's living population and been so closely guided by real world events, I'm not just a fan of a few books and movies, I'm a follower of a World movement that has brought generations together under the umbrella of entertainment, and shown the World to not take things so seriously and is one of the best life choices I have ever made.

    It sounds cheesy, but Bond is always there help me get through life, and hopefully always will be.

    Your excellent post shows why these forums could do with a "like' button.
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