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  • GermanladyGermanlady
    edited May 2016 Posts: 6,601
    If all this is bullocks, why would we believe the money? Itwas all constructed, as we all could see (not meaning, it couldn't have been true) by the way, bits and pieces were stitched together.

    Part of me thinks a decision is due to end all the speculation, but another part applauses to them to net bowing to the press circus and just do their thing in their time.
  • angeliclbondangeliclbond
    Posts: 1
    I so hope this isn't true! I was so looking forward to one more Craig Bond. I've loved nearly everything about his time as Bond, and like others I was hoping for a "final" Craig Bond film.
    They have set up so much in "Skyfall" and "Spectre"... A new M, a new Q a new Moneypenny, a new Blofeld, a new Spectre... I know it has been done before but it will be so strange if they keep those actors playing those characters and not have Craig as Bond. They are "his" MI6 and villains.
    Also he was just so damn good I am greedy and want more films with him as Bond. He *is* Bond to me.
    Until an official Eon press release is out I am choosing to believe that this is the Daily Mail looking to get page views and their "insider" is full of rubbish!
    (I'll be over here in the corner rocking back and forth with my fingers in my ears going "la la la la Craig is not leaving, Craig is not leaving lalalalala" :-)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Keep in mind, if this story wasn't true at all (if there was nothing to it) then these numbers are now in the press, and whoever takes the role (even if it's Craig) has something to work with.

    Usually when numbers like this come out there is something to it, even it it's not entirely true. Things are definitely happening behind the scenes imho and more so than we know.

    Maybe they just haven't got the contract finalized with a new fella yet, or even all the ink dried on a distribution deal, and hence can't comment.
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited May 2016 Posts: 1,661
    Lizo used to present Newsround on BBC tv!

    I think EON and the studio would be nuts to offer Craig 68 million dollars. That's an insane amount of money to guarantee a 900 million dollars gross for Bond 25. Be much cheaper to recast, use the hype of the 'new guy' to sell the film to the public. Given the extra hype for the new actor there's every chance Bond 25 can match or better SPECTRE's box office.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Message to EON and Co.

    "You contact your people, and you tell them to check their seals. They have a leak. Do it now, please."
  • simnewsimnew
    Posts: 8
    Personally I would be happy for Craig to move on. The four movies he has done have completed the arc on 'his' storyline and I really felt that Spectre didn't really feel like a Bond film to me anymore. There is a certain sophistication missing, a certain style that has gone missing to be replaced by thuggish violence. Tom - is not the answer in my opinion. He might look ok with his top off, but he doesn't have the face to carry the role in my opinion. Maybe wait until the right guy comes along ?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    I wonder, what is Daniel's average price for a film? Does anyone know?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    WAY TOO MUCH that's for sure.

    Two words to EON (which in any other studio is common knowledge)

    COST EXPENDITURE
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Urgh, they never learn.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    Posts: 6,601
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    WAY TOO MUCH that's for sure.

    Two words to EON (which in any other studio is common knowledge)

    COST EXPENDITURE

    Again - why believe this and take it out on EON and/or Daniel? This is stupid to blame them for something, NONE here knows is even halfway true. I would wish for a bit more fairness here.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    I wonder, what is Daniel's average price for a film? Does anyone know?
    @ClarkDevlin here is a link to a thread that discusses his (and other actor's) salary for Bond films. I'm sure his going rate outside of Bond is much lower though, given he hasn't done much outside of this for some time.

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/comment/18153
  • walter1985walter1985 Rotterdam
    Posts: 91
    I hope Caniel Craig is playing the same game that Sir Roger('s agent) played in the early '80. and that Craig will be making Bonds till he's 57, just like Sir Roger.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Lizo used to present Newsround on BBC tv!

    I think EON and the studio would be nuts to offer Craig 68 million dollars. That's an insane amount of money to guarantee a 900 million dollars gross for Bond 25. Be much cheaper to recast, use the hype of the 'new guy' to sell the film to the public. Given the extra hype for the new actor there's every chance Bond 25 can match or better SPECTRE's box office.

    $99,303,800 actually at the current rate of exchange
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    Germanlady wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    WAY TOO MUCH that's for sure.

    Two words to EON (which in any other studio is common knowledge)

    COST EXPENDITURE

    Again - why believe this and take it out on EON and/or Daniel? This is stupid to blame them for something, NONE here knows is even halfway true. I would wish for a bit more fairness here.

    Well EON doesn't have a reputation for doing pictures at a reasonable cost lately. So I think some criticism is fair and should be expected. Craig certainly is not to "blame". If I were offered that much money, I'd take it of course.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Thanks @Lizo for the update.

    The level of uncertainty is killing me.
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,044
    walter1985 wrote: »
    I hope Caniel Craig is playing the same game that Sir Roger('s agent) played in the early '80. and that Craig will be making Bonds till he's 57, just like Sir Roger.

    At the rate they are going that's just one more from Daniel then.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    vzok wrote: »
    walter1985 wrote: »
    I hope Caniel Craig is playing the same game that Sir Roger('s agent) played in the early '80. and that Craig will be making Bonds till he's 57, just like Sir Roger.

    At the rate they are going that's just one more from Daniel then.

    =))
  • cooperman2cooperman2 Uk
    Posts: 380
    I find the whole 68 million thing very unlikely. MGM do not as yet seem to have a new distribution deal in place and I don't think they on their own would have the finances to be offering that much money. If Craig goes I will be sad because he's been a great Bond but I do think its time for a change in approach. This dour, tortured soul, family history Bond of Mendes's movies has gotten a little boring. Time to lighten things up a little I think. I think Hiddleston would bring a slightly lighter feel to the character that I think would be refreshing. Its not just Bond either, all films lately seem to be following this dark path. Even the Marvel films are getting darker and less fun. Its a mad, bad world out there let's have some fun when we go to the movies. Are you listening out there, film makers of this world.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Danny's still fresh in the tux; has way more to offer the franchise. It's the scripts/stories that need a freshening.
  • MalloryMallory
    Posts: 2,165
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Lizo used to present Newsround on BBC tv!

    I think EON and the studio would be nuts to offer Craig 68 million dollars. That's an insane amount of money to guarantee a 900 million dollars gross for Bond 25. Be much cheaper to recast, use the hype of the 'new guy' to sell the film to the public. Given the extra hype for the new actor there's every chance Bond 25 can match or better SPECTRE's box office.

    $99,303,800 actually at the current rate of exchange

    Minus the fees and other unforeseeable expenses...
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited May 2016 Posts: 1,661
    There's no rush to recast the role if Bond 25 is out in 2018. Disney are rushing out Star Wars films/spin-offs like there is no tomorrow (!) but Bond 25 can begin filming in late 2017 or even January 2018 and the casting could be agreed by late summer of 2017 or autumn. Even if Craig does announce his departure very soon there could be a long time to wait to find out the next guy. I'm sure Tom Hiddleston and Idris Elba will milk the time for all its worth! :D
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    I find the whole 68 million thing very unlikely. MGM do not as yet seem to have a new distribution deal in place and I don't think they on their own would have the finances to be offering that much money. If Craig goes I will be sad because he's been a great Bond but I do think its time for a change in approach. This dour, tortured soul, family history Bond of Mendes's movies has gotten a little boring. Time to lighten things up a little I think. I think Hiddleston would bring a slightly lighter feel to the character that I think would be refreshing. Its not just Bond either, all films lately seem to be following this dark path. Even the Marvel films are getting darker and less fun. Its a mad, bad world out there let's have some fun when we go to the movies. Are you listening out there, film makers of this world.

    M:I - Rogue Nation was quite light. I have to say I like my Bond dark and gritty, but get where you're coming from. Watching M:I - RN in the cinema last year made me want a lighter Bond too actually.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    We have a tendency to hold on to what we know and have seen most recently. This is human nature.

    There is no reason why Bond can't be lighter in tone. I agree.

    It's all about how you do it. Just don't use the mid 90's/early 00's as the blueprint. Go further back and the approach is laid out (and defined even) by EON & Bond. MI is using it to good effect.
  • simnewsimnew
    Posts: 8
    The bit about the money, I think is irrelevant. Once you have a certain amount of money, will it really change your life ? How many cars or Rolex watches do you need ? Surely it is about the work that you do.

    Roger Moore in the 70's had a 5% cut of the film in addition to his fee to play the role. Plus follow on fees when it is shown again, released on VHS, DVD, Bluray, Digital etc....

    If Daniel doesn't do another one (and I would like to see a change) it will be a personal decision as he is not a megalomanic like Tom Cruise and after his success and what would appear to be quite a modest approach to being a film star, I don't really see him being bought by money. Maybe before he was Bond, but not after and not at this stage.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    Posts: 6,601
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    WAY TOO MUCH that's for sure.

    Two words to EON (which in any other studio is common knowledge)

    COST EXPENDITURE

    Again - why believe this and take it out on EON and/or Daniel? This is stupid to blame them for something, NONE here knows is even halfway true. I would wish for a bit more fairness here.

    Well EON doesn't have a reputation for doing pictures at a reasonable cost lately. So I think some criticism is fair and should be expected. Craig certainly is not to "blame". If I were offered that much money, I'd take it of course.

    One hasn't to so with the other. Here we talk about a figure, that is very, very far from confirmed or even likely and build up resentments. So - how fair is that?

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    I don't see how he can do another one without repeating himself personally. His arc is complete and he has given us 4 distinct films (from an acting and from a tonal perspective). That's impressive.

    If I were him, I'd move on and try new things and develop myself as an 'older' character actor now. Map out the space.

    Having said that, it's up to him.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    Posts: 6,601
    bondjames wrote: »
    I don't see how he can do another one without repeating himself personally. His arc is complete and he has given us 4 distinct films (from an acting and from a tonal perspective). That's impressive.

    If I were him, I'd move on and try new things and develop myself as an 'older' character actor now. Map out the space.

    Having said that, it's up to him.

    Completely agree.

  • OnlyManWhoCanOnlyManWhoCan Greater London
    Posts: 202
    bondjames wrote: »
    I don't see how he can do another one without repeating himself personally. His arc is complete and he has given us 4 distinct films (from an acting and from a tonal perspective). That's impressive.

    If I were him, I'd move on and try new things and develop myself as an 'older' character actor now. Map out the space.

    Having said that, it's up to him.

    I wish this wan't true but in my heart of hearts I know you're right... I just want to see Craig face Blofeld one more time...
  • BlofeldsScarBlofeldsScar
    Posts: 90
    I don't really know how to feel on Craig staying/going. Casino Royale has been a constant in my top five Bond films ever since my first viewing. I enjoyed Quantum of Solace for what it was. Skyfall was brilliant, dark, elegant. Even Spectre, for all of it's faults and flaws offered some quite wonderful moments. The thing now with Craig's Bond is how do you move forward? For me, him and Dalton are the actors that have come closest to replicating Fleming's Bond on screen. I'd absolutely love to see him come back for at least one more film. However, I can't help but feel that by linking all of the films, there's a need to carry on with the arc that has been set up if Craig does return, with Madeline Swann returning, Blofeld returning (which then brings into question whether the Oberhauser/foster brother plot line would return). While there's definitely an argument for Craig to stay, as it's deserved after how brilliant he's been as Bond, there is the other side to it where I think bringing in a new actor, as well as a new director, could offer a different interpretation and breathe new life into the franchise. I just hope there's a plan in place to do it right - whether Craig stays or goes.
  • walter1985walter1985 Rotterdam
    Posts: 91
    vzok wrote: »
    walter1985 wrote: »
    I hope Caniel Craig is playing the same game that Sir Roger('s agent) played in the early '80. and that Craig will be making Bonds till he's 57, just like Sir Roger.

    At the rate they are going that's just one more from Daniel then.


    :))
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