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The issue I have with the 'fun' Bond films is they may outlive their welcome earlier than those with a serious tone (In the 1930s great comedies by Laurel & Hardy and the Marx Brothers ran to about 70 minutes, whereas Gone With The Wind never seemed to end).
So the other overly long Bond films - On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Casino Royale and Skyfall - were all far more melodramatic, and more suited to longer running times than Spectre.
But, let's face it, even the dourest Bond films - Licence To Kill, Skyfall - are still Bond films and as such the sense of fun is never far below the surface.
I heard the song before watching the film, and I hated it. It wasn't until I heard it in context of the film that I had an appreciation for it, and now I really like it.
Okay, if it was not him, my bad. But I have seen others here on other threads doing this.
Thanks Brady! Agreed 100%.
Have you read the guy's posts? :))
He also seems to hate Craig too.
Great post Telly! That is a legitimate reason as to why a lot of people did not like Spectre, and you backed up your opinion with an explanation, unlike others who post here. I think the earlier Craig films set a standard so high that a lot of people don't want to go back to the more light hearted tone of some of the earlier Bond films. But that being said, they can't go with a dark tone every single film either, just as it was the right time to go in that direction after the Brosnan films overcompensated in the comedic direction.
Despite the tone of some of these threads, a lot of people did like the fact that Spectre went towards a lighter, more nostalgic direction than the previous three Craig films. And I know a lot of people here wanted a more traditional Bond movie this time around. Well, they got one, but it seems like more people despised it than liked it, at least amongst the hard core Bond fans. But there is always a time and a place for films with certain tones, and the box office receipts reflected this. And it's not like Spectre went full throttle Moore/Brosnan on us. It still had a lot of dark moments that distinguish the Craig era from the other Bond eras. But a lot of people did welcome the uptick in humor and throwback to the earlier Bond films in Spectre.
It's hard to tell where Bond 25 will go in terms of tone, but judging by the critical response to this film, it will probably go darker again, especially if it turns out to be Craig's last film. Based on box office returns though, they may look to strike that balance again between a darker and lighter tone. Who knows. Both templates seem to work as long as they don't go too far off center, and I'm okay either way as I have thoroughly enjoyed all four Craig films, imperfect as some of them are. But regardless, I'm sure we will be in for something special for Craig's final outing, if he does indeed come back for Bond 25.
Just submarined what might have been a better than average Bond.
And the worst gag of all, that Bond and Blo ARE RELATED.
Good grief.
Nope, I'm definitely with you there. I think Dan handled the lighter moments wonderfully.
Don't let my comment regarding my enjoyment of the line fool you, I find the overall chase to be a heavily, heavily overpriced bore. The whole Moneypenny call certainly doesn't help things, either. I do enjoy a certain shot here and there, but it's mostly thanks to the city looking beautiful at night and a few moments of good cinematography, and not so much the action on screen.
They didn't forget QoS. They wouldn't have bothered with mentioning and showing Greene if they did. As one of the biggest QoS fans on here, I was not disappointed. The return of Mr. White was the ultimate gift to QoS fans, and I couldn't ask for much more.
It's why OHMSS is one of the best endings.
I enjoyed SP better the second time I saw it. Much more enjoyable than SF for me. Several very nice scenes. For me it's better than SF in pretty much every area.
Hey @Getafix, you don't like Skyfall???
Tell us why!
OK, joking. ;)
Thank you.
Oh yes, who could forget the old man in the car gag.
(groan)
Just, some awful decisions in this film.
If any comparison had to be made, what we get is a retooled style of humor closest to Young's films, and that contention is heavily supported by the movies themselves. Not even the sofa fall and the vehicle Bond pushes with his Aston in Rome feel Moore-esque, because they're almost too normal for what you'd seen in his films.
Interesting you felt that this was still very dark. With several Roger "Mooresque" nods in this movie, it definitely felt a lot more relaxed and lighter than Craig's first three films. But I do agree, it still had plenty of classic Craig dark moments as well, and that is exactly what gave Spectre its unique feel and kept it from going total Pierce Brosnan or Roger Moore on us.
Sounds like you would have liked something even more towards the tone of Diamonds Are Forever, which isn't necessarily a bad thing either. :D
In all fairness, the mouse gag was a direct reference to Silva's rat speech in Skyfall. I thought that scene was very cleverly written. The others I can understand why you disliked them as they may have channeled too far towards Roger Moore than you and others would have liked. And especially with the "baby daddy" arc the Bond/Blofeld relationship took (although again, not a deal breaker for me). But again, as I posted earlier, I think Craig earned a more traditional and lighter film after what his Bond went through the first three films. But again, if he is back for Bond 25, I think you will get your wish as I expect a full turn back to the dark side if this is indeed his finale. If not, at least Craig's Bond finally went out with a happy ending.
Agreed. Craig handled all of these as he knows how. Subtlety without going overboard. Even if the dialogue was right out of the Roger Moore handbook so to speak, he handled it well, and it was refreshing to see this which in turn helped break up the darker moments of the film. And it helped give Spectre a more traditional feel while continuing the progression of Bond's reboot under Craig. Bond 25 can go either way if Craig comes back, but as I said above, those disappointed with Spectre may end up loving what comes next. Nothing that has been said, just a gut feeling from me.