Definitive best 5 bond films and worst5 in no particular order

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  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    deucelow wrote: »
    A while @Benny

    Please, what do you like about it? I'm struggling, I don't even like the score :-(

    See I love the score. I find it very well paced. Has a sense of urgency in it. It works for me.
    But I love the PTS, a mini movie that has nothing to do with the plot of the film. The last time this occurred. (Although to be fair, it's quite rare to have a mini movie pts)
    OO9 being chased by Mishka and Grishka. Very haunting.
    The scene set in the Kremlin, where Orlov discusses his plot to take over Western Europe.
    The Sotheby's Auction is straight out of Fleming. It's tense and exciting. Well staged and played.
    The Backgammon game is a similar scene to the above. Equalling imo the Golf scene in Goldfinger. Bond has rarely been cooler.
    Being wined and dined by Kamal Khan, while being told of the torture he can later expect.
    Infiltrating the circus, hiding under the train carriage, and learning of Orlov and Kamal's deadly scheme.
    The face off with Orlov in the train carriage. Anyone who thinks Roger Moore is a bad Bond need only look at this scene.
    The race to get to the bomb is edge of your seat, heart pounding action, that still holds up well to this day.
    Capped off by Bond diffusing the bomb, whilst dressed as a clown, as the time ticks down to zero. I know this scene gets a lot of flack. I'm still at a loss as to why. It's a brilliant scene and full of tension.
    The plane finale, as Bond clings to the outside of an airborne plane. Stunning aerial stunt.

    The action of OP is top notch, knocking NSNA out of the park in comparison.
    Great villais in Louis Jourdan, Kabir Bedi and Steven Berkoff.
    Strong leading lady.
    Great supporting cast.
    Roger Moore is still a wonderful Bond in this film. (Actually Roger Moore is a wonderful Bond in all his films. Though in AVTAK he's a little too old)
    I'd rank OP as one of his best performances as OO7.
    Yes, there are a couple of lapses into slapstick, and poor humour. But they are fleeting and forgivable for an 80's Roger Moore Bond film.
    If we all liked every Bond film equally it would be very boring being a Bond fan. I respect that OP is not to everyone's taste. But for me, it's still and All Time High.
    Did you see what I did there. ;)
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    @Benny

    Thanks Benny for your response. No Bond movie is without merit but I found OP has less merit than most.

    Things that annoy me in Octopussy -

    Tarzan call
    The zoom in on the girls cleavage.
    HMG lack of concern at Bond losing a faberge egg
    Bond hitch hiking
    Bonds casual racism - "That should keep you in curry..."
    Sheeps head for dinner
    Alligator submarine
    Gobinda not putting on a parachute
    Bond in clown costume and makeup

    And more....so much more. It's a stinker.
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    HMG = Her Majesty's Government.
  • GBFGBF
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    The tarzan call lasts all of two seconds.
    What's wrong with some boobs?
    It's late where I am so I could be a little tired, but what is HMG?
    What's wrong with Bond hitchhiking?
    Different times. Besides, Sadruddin seemed pretty excited by it.
    The point of the sheep head is to unnerve Bond.
    I'll give you the alligator submarine, but nowhere near as offensive as some other Bond moments.
    Perhaps there were no parachutes?
    As has been discussed to death, the clown disguise makes perfect sense given the circumstances and adds so much tension to the scene. I can understand criticisms pointed out in the first half of OP, but the second half is near flawless.

    I really like OP. But there are so many silly moments that it is sometimes difficult to maintain the tension that the film actually has. My biggest complaints:

    tuctuc chase, especially the silly tennis jokes
    The scene could have been so much more intesnse and actually some of the stunt work is pretty great but all the intensity is wasted by the silly humour

    The jungle chase
    see tuctuc chase

    The final battle at the Monsoon Palace
    see tuctuc chase + I don't like old Q in the field + I dislike the gymnastics + the battle is way to lighthearted

    Bond dressing up as a clown before entering the circus
    The idea is great but it takes away some of the tension since Bond seems to have the time to put on a perfect make up while a nuclear bomb is going to explode in a few minutes.

    All in all too many Indian cliches and stereotypes
    I know they wanted to show that this film is about India but the overuse of "Indian elements" annoys me a bit. I mean we have elephants, tigers, sword eaters, snake charmers, crocodiles, snakes, strange food, jojos, tuctucs. It is OK if we have a few stereotypes like in the exotic Q branch scene but that is simply too much.

  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    GBF wrote: »
    The tarzan call lasts all of two seconds.
    What's wrong with some boobs?
    It's late where I am so I could be a little tired, but what is HMG?
    What's wrong with Bond hitchhiking?
    Different times. Besides, Sadruddin seemed pretty excited by it.
    The point of the sheep head is to unnerve Bond.
    I'll give you the alligator submarine, but nowhere near as offensive as some other Bond moments.
    Perhaps there were no parachutes?
    As has been discussed to death, the clown disguise makes perfect sense given the circumstances and adds so much tension to the scene. I can understand criticisms pointed out in the first half of OP, but the second half is near flawless.

    I really like OP. But there are so many silly moments that it is sometimes difficult to maintain the tension that the film actually has. My biggest complaints:

    tuctuc chase, especially the silly tennis jokes
    The scene could have been so much more intesnse and actually some of the stunt work is pretty great but all the intensity is wasted by the silly humour

    The jungle chase
    see tuctuc chase

    The final battle at the Monsoon Palace
    see tuctuc chase + I don't like old Q in the field + I dislike the gymnastics + the battle is way to lighthearted

    Bond dressing up as a clown before entering the circus
    The idea is great but it takes away some of the tension since Bond seems to have the time to put on a perfect make up while a nuclear bomb is going to explode in a few minutes.

    All in all too many Indian cliches and stereotypes
    I know they wanted to show that this film is about India but the overuse of "Indian elements" annoys me a bit. I mean we have elephants, tigers, sword eaters, snake charmers, crocodiles, snakes, strange food, jojos, tuctucs. It is OK if we have a few stereotypes like in the exotic Q branch scene but that is simply too much.

    lol that's not racist that's real
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    deucelow wrote: »
    Things that annoy me in Octopussy -

    Bond hitch hiking
    And they thought Dalton was the most dangerous Bond ever...
  • GBF wrote: »
    The tarzan call lasts all of two seconds.
    What's wrong with some boobs?
    It's late where I am so I could be a little tired, but what is HMG?
    What's wrong with Bond hitchhiking?
    Different times. Besides, Sadruddin seemed pretty excited by it.
    The point of the sheep head is to unnerve Bond.
    I'll give you the alligator submarine, but nowhere near as offensive as some other Bond moments.
    Perhaps there were no parachutes?
    As has been discussed to death, the clown disguise makes perfect sense given the circumstances and adds so much tension to the scene. I can understand criticisms pointed out in the first half of OP, but the second half is near flawless.

    I really like OP. But there are so many silly moments that it is sometimes difficult to maintain the tension that the film actually has. My biggest complaints:

    tuctuc chase, especially the silly tennis jokes
    The scene could have been so much more intesnse and actually some of the stunt work is pretty great but all the intensity is wasted by the silly humour

    The jungle chase
    see tuctuc chase

    The final battle at the Monsoon Palace
    see tuctuc chase + I don't like old Q in the field + I dislike the gymnastics + the battle is way to lighthearted

    Bond dressing up as a clown before entering the circus
    The idea is great but it takes away some of the tension since Bond seems to have the time to put on a perfect make up while a nuclear bomb is going to explode in a few minutes.

    All in all too many Indian cliches and stereotypes
    I know they wanted to show that this film is about India but the overuse of "Indian elements" annoys me a bit. I mean we have elephants, tigers, sword eaters, snake charmers, crocodiles, snakes, strange food, jojos, tuctucs. It is OK if we have a few stereotypes like in the exotic Q branch scene but that is simply too much.

    There's a lot of rationalizing of OP, the 'well if it wasn't for the bad bits' kind of logic. Well the bad bits really sink the film. There's a reason you can youtube OP and see the movie in its entirety.
  • Homer Simpson loves Octopussy. He's seen that movie twice.
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    Best 5 (in chronological order):

    DN
    OHMSS
    GE
    CR
    SF

    Worst 5 in (in chronological order):

    DAF
    MR
    OP
    TND
    TWINE
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Best 5 (in chronological order):

    DN
    OHMSS
    GE
    CR
    SF

    Worst 5 in (in chronological order):

    DAF
    MR
    OP
    TND
    TWINE

    Why the hate for TND?

  • Why the hate for TND?

    ...because it's not as good as most of the others, maybe? :-?
  • united1878 wrote: »

    Why the hate for TND?

    ...because it's not as good as most of the others, maybe? :-?

    Not in my bottom five, but yeah, not a great Bond film.

    Like Pierce's last three films, they all open well or okay, then just face-plant in the second and third acts.

    Goldeneye, though. Enjoy that one a great deal, just outside of my top five.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    As some of the above said, I dont have 5 'worst' per se, but I have 5 I am probably less likely to re-watch than the rest.
    Best

    1. The Spy Who Loved Me
    2. On Her Majestys Secret Service
    3. Goldeneye
    4. Goldfinger
    5. Casino Royale

    Worst
    1. Quantum Of Solace
    2. Diamonds Are Forever
    3. Die Another Day
    4. The World Is Not Enough
    5. Skyfall
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,019
    Roadphill wrote: »
    As some of the above said, I dont have 5 'worst' per se, but I have 5 I am probably less likely to re-watch than the rest.
    Best

    1. The Spy Who Loved Me
    2. On Her Majestys Secret Service
    3. Goldeneye
    4. Goldfinger
    5. Casino Royale

    Worst
    1. Quantum Of Solace
    2. Diamonds Are Forever
    3. Die Another Day
    4. The World Is Not Enough
    5. Skyfall
    I see a certain pattern in your top 5. Is TLD or LTK your No. 6?
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    @j_w_pepper No both between 8 and 10. I see what you are getting at though.
  • Roadphill wrote: »
    @j_w_pepper No both between 8 and 10. I see what you are getting at though.

    I too have at least one from every Bond actor in my Top 10 (and not by design either). I think that's one of the reasons the Bond series has had such longevity: every actor through the years has received his share of great Bond films to star in.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    1.Skyfall
    2.Casino Royale
    3.The Living Daylights
    4.Quantum of Solace
    5.Thunderball
    Best 5 (in chronological order):

    DN
    OHMSS
    GE
    CR
    SF

    Worst 5 in (in chronological order):

    DAF
    MR
    OP
    TND
    TWINE

    Why the hate for TND?
    It's a big dumb action movie. :)

  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    1.Skyfall
    2.Casino Royale
    3.The Living Daylights
    4.Quantum of Solace
    5.Thunderball
    Best 5 (in chronological order):

    DN
    OHMSS
    GE
    CR
    SF

    Worst 5 in (in chronological order):

    DAF
    MR
    OP
    TND
    TWINE

    Why the hate for TND?
    It's a big dumb action movie. :)

    Lol do people generally like casino Royale more than skyfall or is it the other way around
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    1.Skyfall
    2.Casino Royale
    3.The Living Daylights
    4.Quantum of Solace
    5.Thunderball
    Best 5 (in chronological order):

    DN
    OHMSS
    GE
    CR
    SF

    Worst 5 in (in chronological order):

    DAF
    MR
    OP
    TND
    TWINE

    Why the hate for TND?
    It's a big dumb action movie. :)

    Lol do people generally like casino Royale more than skyfall or is it the other way around

    One would hope CR wins out. Which I think it largely does.
  • 1.Skyfall
    2.Casino Royale
    3.The Living Daylights
    4.Quantum of Solace
    5.Thunderball
    Best 5 (in chronological order):

    DN
    OHMSS
    GE
    CR
    SF

    Worst 5 in (in chronological order):

    DAF
    MR
    OP
    TND
    TWINE

    Why the hate for TND?
    It's a big dumb action movie. :)

    Lol do people generally like casino Royale more than skyfall or is it the other way around

    One would hope CR wins out. Which I think it largely does.

    SF isn't the most critically acclaimed Bond film for no reason.

    I try to shy away from double negatives for reasons of clarity. Are you stating then that SF is the most critically acclaimed Bond film of them all? I'd like to see some verification on that point... Some folks around here REALLY don't like it, whereas I'd say the general consensus on this site is fairly strongly favorable towards CR. (Personally I like them both, but I do acknowledge that there are some flaws in SF.)
  • edited March 2017 Posts: 6,844
    1.Skyfall
    2.Casino Royale
    3.The Living Daylights
    4.Quantum of Solace
    5.Thunderball
    Best 5 (in chronological order):

    DN
    OHMSS
    GE
    CR
    SF

    Worst 5 in (in chronological order):

    DAF
    MR
    OP
    TND
    TWINE

    Why the hate for TND?
    It's a big dumb action movie. :)

    Lol do people generally like casino Royale more than skyfall or is it the other way around

    One would hope CR wins out. Which I think it largely does.

    SF isn't the most critically acclaimed Bond film for no reason.

    I try to shy away from double negatives for reasons of clarity. Are you stating then that SF is the most critically acclaimed Bond film of them all? I'd like to see some verification on that point... Some folks around here REALLY don't like it, whereas I'd say the general consensus on this site is fairly strongly favorable towards CR. (Personally I like them both, but I do acknowledge that there are some flaws in SF.)

    On this site at least, I might go so far as to say Casino Royale is the most highly regarded Bond film across the board (even beating out such favorites as FRWL, GF, and OHMSS). I would go banco on that.

    Note: I'm not saying it's everyone's #1, but that on average most people would have it in their top 10 or top 5 or whatever.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Yeah the 4 unanimous Loved bond films are probably CR frwl Goldfinger and ohmss
  • Birdleson wrote: »
    You'd be surprised how much crap my beloved GOLDFINGER takes around here.

    You think being a fan of Goldfinger is hard, try being a fan of TWINE!
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    GOLDFINGER is the quintessential Bond film. Why it receives the flack that it does on here is beyond me.
  • jake24 wrote: »
    GOLDFINGER is the quintessential Bond film. Why it receives the flack that it does on here is beyond me.

    Ditto TWINE!
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    I've loved TWINE since I was a kid.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    Birdleson wrote: »
    You'd be surprised how much crap my beloved GOLDFINGER takes around here.

    Really, who doesn't like it?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,129
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    You'd be surprised how much crap my beloved GOLDFINGER takes around here.

    Really, who doesn't like it?

    I don't want to start a list, but there are some diehard anti-GOLDFINGER people around here.

    They don't like Die Hard or Goldfinger

    :-O

    Who are these idiots?
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Just watched skyfall again it's not that bad , I don't get why people top 5 it but I don't mind it that much anymore, it's entertaining and fun. It has a great villain and some good action, it's well shot and directed. I still dislike the story and plot holes as well as some of the cgi so it clocks about half way on my rankings
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,129
    TBH, rarely am I shocked by people's rankings of the Bond series anymore. However, if I see films like DN,FRWL,GF,TB,OHMSS,TSWLM, GE or CR towards the bottom of any list, then I'm slightly dubious as too how well they know Bond, or more likely their age.
    Certain films of course don't work for some members, as they do for others. I still can't warm to QOS for example, and will often place it in my bottom five.
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