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Brilliant post. Reflects my own view, even down to OP being underrated on the whole. I really hope they find the courage in future to open a Bond film with something a little less balls out. I enjoy a cold open, but there's no need for such gratuitous and OTT action at the very start. There are subtler ways of going about it, without being any less thrilling.
Can't disagree with a word you say there to be fair. But anyone suggesting I sacrifice 10 mins of Rog at the absolute peak of his powers for a better narrative drive to the film can, in the immortal words of Roy Keane, shove it up their bollocks.
Yes but the problems with the Craig era (mostly we're talking the Mendes era really) are based on subpar action (although QOS the bigger offender here) and tiresome character navel gazing.
The OP PTS is sheer entertainment and getting rid of it might make for a taughter thriller but it would also make the world a slightly less enjoyable place.
It's not all about character arcs Sam sometimes it's about Bond winking at a guard to look at a bird showing a bit of leg then pulling his ripcord before climbing into a horsebox and flying a tiny jet out the back of it.
And after that bit of opening fun OP gets on with it building from that dark post titles sequence to the most tension filled climax of the series. Lack of narrative drive is not a problem with OP.
SP collapsed under the critical mass of its character arcs so isn't it time we just had an unashamed balls out entry where Bond saves the world and has a blast doing it?
Agreed. Excellent and explosive mini adventure in the vein of GF.
I let you off with the Broz bashing, but this stunt is fantastically realised. Sorry son, you're talking bollocks with this one. Nitpicking for the sake of it in my book.
Even the ski jump they had to wait for weeks for the right weather conditions.
Agreed OP is not the best PTS but Rog in his pomp, a fabulous gadget and some pretty decent action (not to mention the best use of foreground miniatures ever - apart from the bridge in TLD where it is literally impossible to see the join) make it a far from the worst.
I'm finding it hard to argue with any of you on this as I do enjoy the PTS itself. But I think that Moore was on top form for the whole film (it's his best performance and he has lots of great moments to shine imo) so while it's a cool sequence, I still don't think it'd be that big a loss in the grand scheme of things and I still think that the clown killing would have made for a much better PTS.
Maybe we could have had a best of both worlds scenario ala TSWLM and MR? Open with the death of 009. Then show M finding out and wanting Bond on the case. Then "Moneypenny where's 007?". Then we cut to Cuba.
I think OTT action at the start is fine as long as it doesn't feel tacked on. There should be some sort of link no matter how vague imo (even GF has Bond leaving for Miami at the end, and TSWLM and MR both set up the main plot beforehand and then show that M wants Bond on the case before cutting to him finishing up his current mission).
My favourite PTS is probably TWINE. I know people think it goes on too long but I disagree. The bankers office is a fine opening in itself but when we go back to London we know there's more to come because we haven't had the titles yet. So the tension escalates until MI6 blows up (which at the time was a great unexpected idea, Bond being attacked on home turf) and then we get some great OTT action with the boat chase and finally cigar girl selling Renard as a credible threat before we know anything about him or even have seen him on screen. Fantastic stuff.
We can discuss B25 in the pts thread.
May be I'm wrong but I didn't think the mini jet plane actually flies through the hangar? It looks like a full size mock up being rolled through. So it's not a 'real stunt'.
All the skydiving Bond stuntwork is of course amazing. It's done for 'real'.
I guess by fake I mean that someone is not actually doing it for real, like Bond catching up with the plane in GE, or even worse the kite surfing in dad. Real stunts involve a real stuntman doing what we see for real, with minimal (preferably zero) digital touch up etc.
Fairly straightforward definition.
But happy to be proved wrong about the OP PTS.
They attached it to a car by a pole and drove it thru, using the extras to try and cover the pole. If you look closely you can clearly see the pole.
That's what I thought.
Putting this kind of movie trickery in the same category as the incredible skydiving work doesn't make sense.
Any way, to bring it back more on topic, this is an area where they need to up their game for B25 IMO. It seems totally out of fashion currently, but I see no reason why traditional stuntwork cannot continue to have a major impact as it did in the past.
I suspect a lot of audiences are bored of CGI and implausible trickery on screen and that some more parred back, real looking genuine stuntwork would go down well with much of the audience.
It does need to be well directed and coordinated though. As we've seen in SF and SP, badly done action is mind numbing.
Completely agreed.
Seems to be so much untapped in terms of locations.
The authorities probably don t want a film production to enter that place. The bloody tourists represent enough potential for damage.
I'm not even sure he has ever been asked. Didn't Mark Strong hint in an interview at the possibility when he said, that the powers to be had decided his time in the tux was over?
Whatever will be, will be
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Que sera, sera
What will be, will be
We except that 90% of what comes out of Barbara and Micheal's mouth at these red carpet events is producer speak, purposefully designed to be uncontroversial, but then when they mention they will do anything to keep Craig, we gobble it up. Remember, they are just coming up with things to say that reassure people that the franchise is stable and everything is going swimmingly. If they were thinking about replacing their lead actor, they certainly wouldn't allude to it at one of these events, years before the process has begun.
Barbara would have asked him by now you don't just take two years or more away from bond and he is getting up in age
Finally we concur on something.
What would we say is the last truly fantastic Bond stunt?
I'd probably have to go for the CR crane jump (which may well have been done for real but also used trickery). That's over a decade and 3 and half films ago now.
That's unacceptable frankly. Bond built it's reputation on having the best action in the business because it was innovative, spectacular and 90% done for real. Put the money up on the screen and not up in smoke via stupid explosions EON.
That s the one. I am hoping for something equally eye-catching in the next one. (The Aston stunt wasn t bad either)
Some fans also say they've got a crew and cast all ready to go and everything will roll out as soon as MGM signs a distribution deal.