Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    We're never going to get another John Barry. With that in mind I don't care who scores the films now, so long as they properly use the Bond theme. And no, I don't mean three bars in the film itself, and the full theme in the end credits. I mean an action sequence with the theme playing over it. If Bond #25 is a wiping of the slate, please EON, start using the Bond theme again.
  • MooresflaresMooresflares Manchester
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    I absolutely love Moonraker, my fave. Upsets me when it gets slated!
  • MooresflaresMooresflares Manchester
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    Goldfinger is way over rated and the spy who loved me gets REALLY boring half way in!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    James Bond in the 25th Century. :))
  • RC7RC7
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    I absolutely love Moonraker, my fave. Upsets me when it gets slated!

    Very fun film. Exquisite production. Love it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2017 Posts: 23,883
    RC7 wrote: »
    I absolutely love Moonraker, my fave. Upsets me when it gets slated!

    Very fun film. Exquisite production. Love it.
    +1. Loved it as a kid, then went off it for a long time, and now it's back up there again as one of my go-to Bond fun films. I went through a phase when I looked at it too critically. Now I just have fun with it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Goldfinger is way over rated and the spy who loved me gets REALLY boring half way in!

    I agree the last half of TSWLM is really slow for me too. Kinda how some feel about TLD, I guess.
  • MooresflaresMooresflares Manchester
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    Oh I love the soundtrack for moonraker, I could listen to it all day, when realised I went to some Venice locations on my 40th I realised although I don't think it's the best film it sure is my fave! And I went again recently! I love the city anyway, finding the lido/South America courtyard was beyond cool!
  • MooresflaresMooresflares Manchester
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    I like the living daylights but the air base bits YAWN! Actually third acts of bond films have some shaky history!
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    I was just extolling MR in another thread, but this one seems much appropriate. Should've done it here. Alas, I basically punched out everything there, so have nothing much more to add, only to say there was a critic at the time of MR's release who was very favorable toward the film, calling it something like a "minor masterpiece." I have to say, I'm still not on board with the guy, but every year I do seem to get closer to at least understanding what he was on about.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    MOONRAKER has my all-time favorite Bond moment that defines the best of film Bond and his potential for me.
    Getting pushed out of a plane at altitude without a parachute. When I saw that in theaters only OO7 could pull off a thing like that. And no matter how silly the sequence ended the setup and execution of the first half will likely always be my favorite.
  • MooresflaresMooresflares Manchester
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    I've just posted a discussion about poor third acts too as it's really got me thinking!
    Don't get me wrong moonraker is what it is , but I saw it as a little pup and never get bored of it!
    The soundtrack is a big part of that too though
  • Thunderball007Thunderball007 United States
    edited July 2017 Posts: 306
    I love Moonraker. It is one of my favorite Bond films!
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Can someone pleade explain to me why skyfall is so great and why it is such a good bond film. Ive watched it several times in the past year and I just cant find it enjoyable. The plot has far to many holes. I dont like the cgi. And i find it boring. I do want to know what people like in it though.
  • edited July 2017 Posts: 1,469
    One of my only little quibbles about Skyfall, apart from wondering how Bond could've survived that plunge into the water, is that it feels just a little conservative or stiff, dare I say formulaic. I don't know what caused that, because I like the dialogue, and so many other things: the loopy but threatening Mr. Silva, the tension between him and Bond, the overall look of the film, the scenes at the Skyfall estate and the Shanghai skyscraper, I find Severine very sexy, the flirting with Moneypenny, the introduction of Mallory, the shootout at the public inquiry--AND the fact that it was a new start after the linking of the previous two films and a mission that seemed grander than personal revenge, though QoS was about more than just that.
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    I'm actually a huge fan of the third act of Skyfall. It feels like it could've been a scene straight from a 60's Bond. With Skyfall I think so much is done right that I can overlook the minor issues I have with it (if any, in 2015 it ranked 3 out of 23)
  • Skyfall's third act is the strongest in the entirety of the Craig era. Comparatively speaking, CR, QOS and especially SP just peter out without much fanfare.
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    Goldfinger has more plotholes than Skyfall
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    jobo wrote: »
    Goldfinger has more plotholes than Skyfall

    No it hasn't. It has plot holes, but SF is one plot hole sewn to another ( come to think about it,not unlike SP. Probably a Mendes trademark.)
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    MOONRAKER has my all-time favorite Bond moment that defines the best of film Bond and his potential for me.
    Getting pushed out of a plane at altitude without a parachute. When I saw that in theaters only OO7 could pull off a thing like that. And no matter how silly the sequence ended the setup and execution of the first half will likely always be my favorite.

    I agree 100%. I never forget that uplifting sensation exploding in my brains when I saw it in the cinema. That truly was a man who never gave up!
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    Goldfinger is way over rated and the spy who loved me gets REALLY boring half way in!

    Have to agree with you regarding TSWLM!
    Much prefer all of Rogers other Bonds. I find Spy a slog to get through, though its revered on here! GF, though it too slows when they get to Kentucky has too many wonderful scenes to dismiss! Those critical of TLD Afghanistan section want reminding a lot of Bond movies have their own slow parts!
  • OnlyManWhoCanOnlyManWhoCan Greater London
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    Speaking of soundtracks... I genuinely love the score from Goldeneye. I think the cold metal sound effects and synths perfectly compliment the film's story and tone, given that it's dealing with Old Russia vs New Russia and the internet/modern technology.

    I will concede that the original score for the tank chase - 'A Pleasant Drive in St Petersburg' - is absolutely horrific and I am glad the scene was re-score by something more traditional.

    Oh, and Éric Serra's 'Experience of Love' is also the drippiest bit of music to feature on the credits of a Bond movie (and that's saying something).

    And yet, despite these crimes against Sound itself, I still like the overall score and think the Goldeneye overture, played during the PTS, perfectly captures the mood of this new era of 007.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    jobo wrote: »
    Goldfinger has more plotholes than Skyfall

    No it hasn't. It has plot holes, but SF is one plot hole sewn to another ( come to think about it,not unlike SP. Probably a Mendes trademark.)

    Which would make it a very consistend movie, now woudln't it? Is it safe to deduct you find SF and SP the best Bonds ever?
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    jobo wrote: »
    Goldfinger has more plotholes than Skyfall

    No it hasn't. It has plot holes, but SF is one plot hole sewn to another ( come to think about it,not unlike SP. Probably a Mendes trademark.)

    Which would make it a very consistend movie, now woudln't it? Is it safe to deduct you find SF and SP the best Bonds ever?

    Consistent they certainly are in that regard, but tbh that's not the kind of consistency I hold in high esteem.
    About SF and SP, Let it suffice to say they are not among my most often watched.
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    Thrasos wrote: »
    One of my only little quibbles about Skyfall, apart from wondering how Bond could've survived that plunge into the water, is that it feels just a little conservative or stiff, dare I say formulaic. I don't know what caused that, because I like the dialogue, and so many other things: the loopy but threatening Mr. Silva, the tension between him and Bond, the overall look of the film, the scenes at the Skyfall estate and the Shanghai skyscraper, I find Severine very sexy, the flirting with Moneypenny, the introduction of Mallory, the shootout at the public inquiry--AND the fact that it was a new start after the linking of the previous two films and a mission that seemed grander than personal revenge, though QoS was about more than just that.

    That's very much in line with how I feel about SF. It's like its parts are greater than the whole and it's just not that likeable. I may be one of the few who find the whole section from when Silva escapes to the underground crash and shootout at the hearing to be underwhelming.

    It will be interesting to see how SF is viewed once we have some distance from the Craig era.
  • edited July 2017 Posts: 7,507
    jobo wrote: »
    Goldfinger has more plotholes than Skyfall

    No it hasn't. It has plot holes, but SF is one plot hole sewn to another ( come to think about it,not unlike SP. Probably a Mendes trademark.)


    So is Goldfinger... Practically nothing makes sense.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited July 2017 Posts: 1,165
    ♪ Just repeat to yourself it's just a show, I should really just relax! ♪
  • Posts: 1,162
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Goldfinger has more plotholes than Skyfall

    No it hasn't. It has plot holes, but SF is one plot hole sewn to another ( come to think about it,not unlike SP. Probably a Mendes trademark.)


    So is Goldfinger... Practically nothing makes sense.

    Indeed? Would you care to list a handful of those plot holes?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Speaking of soundtracks... I genuinely love the score from Goldeneye. I think the cold metal sound effects and synths perfectly compliment the film's story and tone, given that it's dealing with Old Russia vs New Russia and the internet/modern technology.

    I will concede that the original score for the tank chase - 'A Pleasant Drive in St Petersburg' - is absolutely horrific and I am glad the scene was re-score by something more traditional.

    Oh, and Éric Serra's 'Experience of Love' is also the drippiest bit of music to feature on the credits of a Bond movie (and that's saying something).

    And yet, despite these crimes against Sound itself, I still like the overall score and think the Goldeneye overture, played during the PTS, perfectly captures the mood of this new era of 007.

    I would probably agree with you there. Take out the aforementioned Experience of Love (so dreary its like Rory Kinnear in musical form), the dismal oil drum banging that is the GB and the 70's porn music in the car chase and I don't mind it all.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I've said it before, but we have many new people, I don't believe any of us "Originals" (members that saw their first film in the theatre or drive-in with Connery or Lazenby upon release) were fond of MR at the time. Horrified. Easy to enjoy to as a one-off in retrospect.

    Indeed. We all have the "benefit" of coming to MR as one of many Bond films, so we can just enjoy MR's space age hi-jinks as one of Mr. Bond's more outlandish adventures. Had I seen MR when it was first released, my reaction most probably would be like @Birdleson .
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