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The Constitution's wording that such second amendment rights 'shall not be infringed' creates difficulty in making changes however. One hopes that the political will exists to do something after this.
Keep in mind though that a lunatic with a lorry/truck could have done quite a bit of damage as well, and we have no plans to ban those.
EXACTLY!!! Only the military should have those. I made a post similar to that earlier. America needs to crack down on assault weapons.
I believe we always have to focus on why people do these things and whether they were in the x-hairs of law enforcement in the past. The same thinking informs the anti-terrorism discussion. It's not a question of Islam or religion or whatever. It's a question of psychological intent to harm people and specific characteristics which can be flagged to suggest a higher risk of that. Was this man ever on the radar of law enforcement? Did he ever have counselling for mental disorder? Etc. etc. Of course we can't catch everyone (perhaps he was never on the radar), but we surely can go some way to determining where the problem could be. Mental health is still something which is not properly understood. As technology improves we will have means to more readily identify the triggers immediately (rise in heartbeat, tension etc. etc.) via wearable monitor devices or even skin implants.
Regarding the gun discussion, that is a separate issue. Guns will never be outright banned in the US. However, an intelligent debate can be had as to which guns should be allowed and then it is up to the people to decide what they want to do. There are rules on other things (like speeding/driving age limits and/or alcohol age limits) without outright bans and abolition. Politicians could put it to a vote if they had the cojones. The trouble with politics is the discussion is never informed or specific. People always shout over each other to appease their special interest donors.
Fully agreed. It's a no brainer and it's insulting that they can't even get that part done.
Maybe I've just been lucky but my only real brush with crime was being mugged in Russia once. The idea that I might have had a PPK under my coat and would've double tapped the scum is a nice idea in fantasy but the reality is (apart from the fact that they came from behind and the first I knew about it was getting lamped in the back of the head) they'd have probably disarmed me anyway - because I'm not actually Bond - and then emptied the clip into me.
There's a lot of countries (pretty much all of them actually) where you aren't allowed to buy an assault rifle in your corner shop and they seem to get through life quite happily without hanging themselves because they couldn't own a gun and with infinitely lower violent crime stats.
Why is American society like a toddler that loses its shit if you try to take away its favourite toy the moment anyone even mentions gun control?
If they'd written in the constitution it's your right to not wear a seatbelt would people also fight tooth and nail to protect that despite it being pretty obvious it's insane not to do so?
While it may now seem quaint nostalgia to some, in some rural parts folks still see it as an essential part of what defines them. One can debate whether that's right or not, but I can understand where it comes from, even if I don't agree with it.
As an analogy, I know I'm going to get quite upset when governments start to 'ban' me from driving my classic car when 'autonomous' vehicles become the norm (using statistics of the dangers self drivers cause to society). I was just thinking the other day that I hope I'm past driving age when that particular law comes along.
The difference is that our Royal Family aren't killing innocent people in mass sprees that are escalating over the pond every 6months to a year.
I'm genuinely unsure wheteher or not that's a real story or a wind up.
For me,i think its the latter.
Are you sure about that:
There really are people out there who honestly believe that prayer is the answer it seems.
It's that 'protection' thing that I don't understand either. First off, in how many instances are you aware that an attacker got shot by someone protecting him- or her self? In my country, we have law-enforcement, with the additional benefit of no toddlers grabbing mama's gun and shooting themselves nor their brothers/sisters. I like guns, I like shooting them for sure, it's something about beeing concentrated and the power in your hands. But I would never want to carry a gun in public 'to protect myself'.
The chances of me beeing the bad guy on a bad day are infinately bigger then beeing the hero because I stopped a bankrobbery with my superior shooting.
Still, you prefer people carry murder weapons and get drunk, all legally, after a bad breakup. And then are amazed by the amount of gun deaths.
@bondjames anyone can do anyone harm with just about anything. There's just something about carrying a device specifically made for killing that makes it so much easier for people to use it, either because they are insane anyway, or because they had a bad hair day.
Ultimately, it is the intent to cause harm that is key, and minimizing that risk through sound public policy.
As I said, one day governments will use that argument to ban us from driving, except in confined spaces. The moving vehicle is increasingly being intentionally used as a weapon these days after all (911 to Nice).
"so why do we need guns" perfect example of a loaded question as it assumes that you do need guns rather than the question "Do we need guns?"
the answer is that you don't need guns. You share a planet with countires that provide perfect examples of where people manage to get on with thier lives and live safely (safer actually) without guns. I know its hard but if you could only see things from outside the USA.
I don't suppose you have the statistics to hand as to how many people are saved each year due to the fact they have a gun in their house to shoot intruders? Nor the mirror statistic of how many more homeowners are killed by intruders in places like Europe compared to the states where they don't have guns to 'protect' themselves?
I'll wager that the sum total of both together barely scratches the surface of the gun deaths in America total per annum.
The Vegas gig was a country music concert wasn't it so I don't think it too far fetched to state that no doubt a fair few in the crowd were gun owners. Remind me again how useful their guns were at protecting them as the bullets rained down?
If you came to Europe on holiday (obviously wihout a gun) would you feel unsafe?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15
So let me ask you a question. Are you constantly carrying your AR15? Do we see civilians walking around with automatic/semiautomatic machine guns? Does the vast majority of Americans carry any gun around on their person at all times? No, we don't.
Arguing that we need to be carrying guns around to stop the bad people is ridiculous. There wasn't a civilian hero with a gun that stopped the shooter in Vegas. Nor was there a civilian hero with a gun to stop any of the other mass shootings. It was either Police Officers that took them down or they took their own lives. Not to mention every person that owns a gun isn't well trained to use it in high stress situations. They could cause more harm than good, like accidentally hitting civilians.
I agree with you that evil will find a way, BUT we shouldn't be making it easy for them. Imagine if automatic weapons were illegal to purchase. The shooter in Vegas probably wouldn't have them (all the weapons he had he legally purchased). Sure he could've used a handgun or shotgun but I can almost guarantee the casualties and injuries would've been far lower. He would had to of been on the ground and closer to use them. Meaning people would've known where the shooter was and able to take better cover and authorities would get the the shooter much faster. Sure it's just a hypothetical but still.
http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-57086?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing
The United States of America and guns.
The die has been cast. The bell cannot be unrung. Massacres ad infinitum.
That's what we invented the police for. You make it sound like living in the states is like Mad Max.
Mourning the recent casualties is just that mourning the inevitable next mourning of a mass shooting.
Once again it shows that the divide between the US and the rest of the west is a huge Chasm mainly divided with guns and religion.
I am truly sorry about the dead and the casualties, find it horrible. But every time I hear about a new one I am glad we have a huge ocean between our continents. It is becoming a recurrent episode. And there never seems to be a time of discussing the Gun problem of the US, if happenings as this are not a moment to steer into a different direction then nothing will change that at all.
Next up in congress a deregulation for gun silencers, because mass shootings will be come a less noisy affair.
The madness in the US is really flabbergasting too bad so many people suffer from it albeit from guns, healthcare or religion.