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It's all a matter of opinion. And it seems your opinion isn't part of the average opinion....which mostly has "Skyfall" on 5th place (out of 24 official films :-). A good Bond film to me knows the fire of time. Knows how to delicately balance formula with uniqueness. At the time Sam Mendes got that job done....and people loved it. And apparently, still many people love it.
I call that a basic rule of creating not only a succesful film, but especially a succesful Bond film.
Oh I agree, he brought Road to Perdition to Bond. Dark, injustice and revenge plot. But building on QOS could have also been a disaster, Skyfall had to be something different and that was going deeper and darker. Mendes was clever he picked up on the snippets of back story like Vesper on the Train in Casino analyzing Bond and his background and picking at that scab or how he ends up an Eton school boy who didn't fit in because he wasn't from real money. Casino and QOS Bond still had that petulant school boy in him. By the time he comes out the water in Skyfall it's gone, his brush with death and realising he's mortal he becomes ice cold, slick and professional. Gone are the struggles to deal with killing (Casino when he kills for the first time in Karachi you can see it's not easy). Skyfall is a phoenix from the flames story but the Bond on the roof at the end is the Bond Connery, Dalton and Brosnan already were without the back story. Why I found Spectre so disappointing, there was no need to traipse over back story any longer..they could have had him back on solo missions now Craig's tenure is tied to this continuing personal story, and he will never get that individual solo mission without the family baggage.
I like your analysis, @SirHilaryBray. It's a positive way of seeing the film. I wish I could see like that, but I can't, really. The turnouts don't sit well with me at all. Satisfactory for Bond tropes-wise, I loved Spectre, but plot-wise, even weaker than Skyfall. The plot and the elements don't hold it together in the slightest. Just a bunch of good scenes poorly tied to, together. The lines were very pedestrian, as well. The endgame was weaker than Silva's "little" revenge plot. The reason I rate Skyfall the lowest and find it cringeworthy because it was exactly the Road of Perdition but with every character taking the wrong turn on purpose (seeming as if they do so as such) and with Bond set up to fail from the beginning screams to my face whenever I watch it with the attempt to feel it anew. I can hardly tolerate Skyfall. It is to me what Die Another Day is to the majority here.
Does the Bond on the end of Skyfall really feels anyhow like the Connery Bond to you?
You know, that relaxed and suave cat always ready for fun, always ready to work, always ready to combine both. Nah
Be careful @Murdock? Nah, boring. Let's take risks every now and then ;-)
A fifth drama in a row doesn't sound very risky @Gustav_Graves. In fact it sounds safe.
What makes you believe/assume all that. I also find it pretty short-sighted to name all previous four Bond films in retrospect "drama" films.
It's what I said before in here: we assume too much in this overpopulated topic. Actually, to annoy certain people in here, I wouldn't mind to continue this so called 'formula of drama movies', just like we had this 'formula of comedy cheese' in another era. And then again, you can't make all people happy :-).
PS: Hence I create the new betting odds game/topic ;-)
The last for films have been dramas. 2 less so than the others. I don't mind Dramas, I'm just tired of the boring melodrama and delving into Bond's past and these nonsensical connections to make Bond and Blofeld related through childhood.
Your opinions are quite known. Which era had comedy cheese because in the entire 50+ years this franchise has existed no Bond film has ever stuped to having Comedy cheese as you say. And you assume I haven't been happy well you're wrong on that mark. I've enjoyed all of Craig's films. I just want his fifth to steer away from the melodrama and contrived plot twists Mendes thought were clever.
@PanchitoPistoles, the type you seek can be found in Dynamite's first two installments in the James Bond comics. Give those a try.
A deadly serious thriller can also be fun
I suspect you are right based on the previous four movies, they have arguably backed themselves into a corner with DC
As I said a few days back, it's the length of this era without tonal change which is a legitimate concern. And no, the Bond at the end of SF is not the same cool, suave, carefree one from the early years and can never be. We know too much about this version's troubles, backgound and history for him to ever be credible in that capacity. He is no longer an enigma.
God. But me too. Why would I go into great lengths to write a story treatment that exactly has that fun. Have you actually.....read it?
But I also know very well that we probably won't get such a film. I can't be bothered so much. Let the new Bond film surprise us a bit more, instead of already turning the Bond 25 event into a lousy negative tour-de-force, further enhanced by comparisons with other franchises that supposedly know it better. Ughhh, so easy to say.....especially when you're not a 55 year old franchise.
I'm a bit fed up with the 'I am a director as well' mentality over here. It's not something personal pointed at you @Murdock. And I know you're a happy chap. Seeing you in that mustard yellow Starfleet pullover makes me happy :-).
I haven't had the time to get around to reading your treatment. Been much too busy lately. I've also got a backlog of Early draft scripts of Bond films I need to get to as well. So much content, so little time. :))
But I'm positive Bond 25 will be a step in the right direction. Craig is back, that's one thing I wanted. To have it end with the death of Blofeld and the collapse of Spectre would be a nice shiny red bow.
He cant bring his style of filmaking to Bond, even EON wont let it happen, Villenueve's films are too much of a slog to sit through.
Ill be suprised if he is hired, I think Mendes was asked repeatedly again & EON are scrambling.
Well done. Always love your creativity.
Also, DC wants Monica Bellucci back in the next film to have a fuller, longer role.