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Actually I'm having a very hard time to believe that they will bring back the cast specific of Spectre and continue the story arc. Whoever is in charge, be it EON, MGM or the not known now distributor they certainly are able to read polls and given the very lukewarm reception of Spectre there really is no reason for them to continue its story. Especially not after such a long time.
Also I am 100% sure they not even contemplating a story achin to YOLT, since those polls probably have also indicated that people are seriously fed up with depressed and sober 007.
But I have to admit whatever they do, as long Craig is on board together with the 'we have to produce something artsy and meaningful', I feel quite detached from the current state of the franchise.
What are these 'polls' that you are going on about? Are you referring to the opinion of us mugs on here who represent 0.00001% of the audience?
Did I miss David Dimbleby and the swingometer announcing a 52/48 percentage against SP (SPexit?)?
$850m worldwide is the only indicator of public opinion they care about and that would suggest to them they didn't do that much wrong.
850 millions fine,but after all this is a James Bond movie. They always make big money and this one came after the mega success of SF. Keep in mind, that in Germany for example QoS easily beat TDK at the box office. Not to mentionthe constant rise in ticket prices.
Also, I'm not referring to some official poll but I will certainly think that in such a big money business they would routinely question quite a lot of people awards how they perceived a movie.
Look, my thinking is I have yet to meet anyone who liked Spectre. Most of the time I get an unqualified Shrock and a "so so" and some people bluntly say they found it quite a bit boring. People that usually don't distinguish themselves by a very up nose or highbrow taste. This can't be A coincidence. When Skyfall came out it was quite divisive in my circle of acquaintances that was Spectre the reception is very uniform. Mind you, most don't hate it, they are just bored by it. Austin Powers also gets mentioned regularly, just as the missing fun factor.
No one complains about the Mission impossible movies, though they tend to be disappointed with the Jason Bourne movie.
I'm not sure I agree with your point about that being reason enough for them not to directly continue the story though. They seem to be on their own trajectory for the time being, and SP made a lot of money for Babs/Wilson/MGM. It's the distributor/funder who got the royal shaft, and that could be one of the possible reasons why it's taking so long to line up a deal this time out.
BINGO! It's completely baffling how most people here believe Bond 25 will likely involve Blofeld and SPECTRE again.
Nigel Small-Fawcett, I'm dying xD
I grew up the Moore era (I'm 45) although my Dad had OHMSS on vinyl amongst other Bond scores but that album had such an effect on me, it's up there with Dark Side of The Moon as the most significant album of my lifetime. I own all the Barry scores on vinyl.
OHMSS remains my favourite score of all time and the previous ones before are utter gold, even the likes of his MWTGG score which is probably his worst have moments of brilliance, that being said his worst still aces most of the others who've attempted to soundtrack a Bond film.
MR is probably his best 70's Bond score and TLD was a fine swansong for JB.
Now while I have no time for the PB era Arnold, I think the CR score was going in the right place but QOS was for me by far his best Bond score to date.
Arnold does a great approximation of Barry and City of Lovers is a great example of that but and this is the big but they aren't wholly original in that way Barry has stamped all over the series to intimidating degree.
I don't mind saying if I had to name my favourite aspect of the series it would be John Pendergrast Barry, my favourite score composer of all time.
So when people even suggest that Arnold approaches Barry's level my reaction is always what could be described possibly OTT but I celebrate my 40th Anniversary being a Bond fan this year and Barry is without doubt the most enduring aspect of it.
That being said if Arnold does get called back and he develops on what he produced in QOS I'll be happy, please no more Newman, I think a return of DA to round off DC's era for Bond 25 would be ideal, then someone new for the next Bond entirely.
When you've had Barry around for most of your natural born life seeing someone suggest a mere pupil is in the same class well..... you should listen his scores outside of Bond like The Lion In Winter, one of his Oscar winning ones or the Dances With Wolves, Barry is in a different league to most composers and can rightly sit along Ennio, Goldsmith, Herrman & Williams, he was a one off and the Bond series was lucky to have such a talent who at times gifted them with music lets face it some of the films didn't deserve.
I salute you sir. That really is something we should all aspire to.
I think the point is on his day Arnold did a reasonable approximation of Barry. You were always aware it was a cheap Del Boy knock off but with tracks like White Knight and parts of CR and QOS if you made your ears squint you could convince yourself it might be the great man.
Like pizza and sex poor man's Barry is better than no Barry and certainly better than Newman's uninspired copy and pasting.
My sincerest condolences.
"A load of bull."
The man makes an excellent point. I got the best of both worlds with Brosnan and Craig.
Sorry, @moneyofpropre2 Your google translate had it wrong. ;)
"Bond 25 is developing. Stay tuned..." could be a translation.
Couldn't have put it better myself @TheWizardOfIce
If you did grow up during the PB era that is just fate for you and I think this is why so many have affection for that time, personally although I went and saw every entry at the cinema I felt I was going through the motions and although he looked like Bond it just didn't feel like it.
I have only recently grown some respect for GE though a film on original screening I left the film utterly deflated.
After that I just went in expecting nothing much and got exactly that, though my reassessment of Pierce's first came in light of what doubt was my biggest disappointment in the series history back at the beginning of November 2015.
I've told myself to keep expectation in check for Bond 25 and I will be doing my best going in expecting to be convinced and not just being hyped up and assuming my hopes will be answered like I did with SPECTRE which only when I saw it for 2nd time with the expectation and being so excited to see it out the way I viewed quite differently.
I actually feel quite ashamed I walked away from it on my first viewing with little to no worries, the 2nd time round it felt a very different film.
If DV does sign on and they get a composer who doesn't have the initials TN, the fact P&W are involved and that DC (as much as I love him in the role even after SP) gets so much artistic control I will try to be aprehensive.
That being said that will all probably go out the window when the teaser arrives I'll be back to being as giddy as a school boy but I guess we'll see.
Bond while doesn't consume my life like some just is unlike any film series or blockbuster when it comes to pressing my buttons, the only other example would be Star Wars but Bond feels more like mine possibly because it originates from my country and at it's best as a level of class no other blockbuster has.
I would love to hear them again in a Bond film. Pretty much all of the Bond film’s had recurring tracks and cues and loved them. Could even modernize them a little bit. I want an all new production team for Craig’s last film. I prefer a different take. I don’t want the same style from any of the previous three films
Also Blofeld is 110% coming back.
I don’t blame Waltz for Blofeld being mediocre I blame the script and directing. The less Blofeld says the scarier it makes him. He had too many lines in the film honestly. The Spectre meeting was pretty damn good. Loved how he kept whispering into his henchmen’s ear and was mysterious.
That applies to the film in general to me. I don't really want it to feel drastically different at this point. Save the change in direction for the next actor handover. For now I want them to finish what they started, preferrably by bringing things full circle with them adapting YOLT the same way they did CR. Keep the same behind the scenes crew of the last few films as well as Tom Ford, Aston Martin, Omega, etc, and go all out with the character driven/personal drama angle. Give Craig a proper ending.
Then for Bond 26 proper fresh start and change in direction. Differentiate him from Craig the same way they did Moore from Connery. Different style, brands, cars, as well as an obviously different tone/approach. I'd also like a big behind the scenes shakeup, new writers and a new costume designer seem like the most obvious changes. Obviously there's no need to bin everyone as they do great work and after all, most of the people who worked on CR worked on the Brosnan movies. But the ones who do stay on should be briefed to change things up in a noticeable way. I'd also like a shift back to the old stand alone model so it doesn't matter what "timeline" this is in (pretend it's picking up where DAD left off if you like), but leave the Craig era as its own self contained, parallel universe take on Bond.
You can have your favourites and think what you like but no actor threw themselves into the role like he did and most likely will for Bond 25.
I've said it previously Daniel Craig changed the type of actor and also the way the role can be played, whereas I can fault him getting to involved in deciding where the story is going, the way he tackles each film his unique to any of the other actors who've played the role.
My feelings on him looking board during SPECTRE probably feed more into my disappointment with the film, although the injury most likely played into me thinking he was just wasn't as engaged as he'd been in his first 3 entries.
The control he has been given good or bad is unlike anyone has in the role, the levels he goes to to get himself match fit for the role, he's really in a different league in this case.
I really can't see the next actor just turning up and playing the role with nowhere the level of preparation and duty for the role that DC did.
This is where I think he's changed things, the next actor who'll likely be younger when DC started will have. The next actor to bag the role will see what DC did and feel they need to give the role that level of commitment.
In fact I think EON will insist on it, to have an actor be well publicised for what he was willing to do be followed by someone who doesn't I think will not be perceived well.
Bond's going forward will see this more than just a role where you sport the most famous film character motion picture in history but also a performance where you will be expected to work for it and appear on screen and wow the world with your interpretation of the character.
I'm hoping to see someone make the role their own and are still touting Tom Hughes for the role, he has a brooding intensity seen in BBC2's the game and is doing great work as Prince Albert in Victoria alongside his real life girlfriend Jenna Coleman.
If not him James Norton, I think both actor could bring the level of commitment Craig does while still bringing something new to the role.
Although judging by the number of flops a certain Irish German actor is experiencing and my personal first choice for taking on the role after seeing him as Lt Archie Hicox maybe Michael Fassbender does need the role. The last X-men film was apparently dire, Assasins Creed was a flop and The Snowman looks like it's one of the biggest disappointment of the year and has been critically savaged.
If they are going down the famous route, sorry no Hardy, he's too short and I don't see him being that much different to DC, yeah put him up against the new Bond in a Red Grant type adversary but as Bond I hope not.
He's a phenomonal performer but not all actors however good can play Bond.
That's my problem with a lot of of the suggested candidates imo, almost any of the names mentioned from Game Of Thrones for example give me that same impression. They just seem so young and with their skinny builds and wavy longish hair look more like young 20 somethings in an indie band than a hardened spy/assassin who's meant to be the epitome of old school masculinity. The only suggestion in that bracket who I think has the presence, charisma and masculinity to break free of that image is Jack O Connell but he is very short which would be tough to film around (although hey, if Tom Cruise manages it I'm sure they could).
People are just aging better nowadays I guess which is why I'd rather an actor in their late 30s/early 40s, even if it means they don't have as much longetivity in the part. I'd rather have a an older Bond for three movies than a younger actor (that we have to wait to grow into the role) for five.
Fassbender would be ideal. He's a brilliant fit and you're right that despite being an A lister, his movies aren't doing too well lately, so he might not be too famous after all. He could be after a new big franchise for when X Men eventually ends. I think EON would prefer a lesser known actor but the pool of candidates who are at the level of fame DC was before Bond seems pretty dire imo, so unless in the next couple of years we see some decent choices pop up maybe they will end up going for a bigger name.
Pre-title sequence will see Bond on a dangerous mission where the villain actually gets the upper hand and seriously wounds 007. Leaving him unconscious and in a puddle of his own blood, the theme song, performed by Justin Beiber, and main credits start up.
After this, we OPEN on a hospital. We will find MP, Q Tanner and M surrounding Bond, who, apparently, is on life support. And right there, in the company of his best friends, Bond actually dies.... Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeee goes the life support, and, off their forlorn faces, and MP's tears, we CUT TO-
M's office where, leaning over his desk, M speaks into his intercom, telling Moneypenny that 007 can now enter.
The leather door opens, and, strutting in like a dangerous panther, just oozing charisma, sex and danger, is...
... Bill Tanner, as the new Codename: James Bond, 007....
Tell me that wouldn't take an audience by surprise?
Wouldn't that be the best thing ever?
Also, bring back Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass for the theme song.
With Rory now in the role of 007, we must play up to his strengths: hypnotically sexy, dangerous as a bulldozer to the head, but with the suave charm of early Connery.
And, might I add, now with Tanner as the new 007, I think MP should then become the new Tanner, and Q becomes the new MP. What say you??
Rory is hypnotically sexy and he knows it!
He's going to be even a better Bond than Connery.
I'd say that Ben Whishaw should become James Bond 007 #3, with his former post as Q will be filled by Nick Frost. Ralph Fiennes should be downgraded as the new MP, and CGI David Niven should be the new M.
I'd watch it only if Kinnear still played Tanner and if he were sided by a transexual 00 agent who will have their own spin off movie series. The score should be entirely made by 8-bit renditions of the previous movies main themes for no reason at all.
In the end, can we get back to point: a straight up 007 feature, starring Rory Kinnear as Ian Fleming's Codename: James Bond, 007. Produced by Barbara Broccoli, Michael G. Wilson and Daniel Craig.
I really look forward to it and hope they get it right.
By working on the codename theory and having Tanner become the new 007, there's no more worry about casting and time-lines and re-boots (soft or hard). Rory can play 007 for at least the next decade and a half...
Thanks for making me laugh ;-)