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I beat you to that by about 7 hours GG .
Hahaha, yes, it's "I Remember" by DeadMau5. Activision put it into the game.
I think you're quite aware kids emulate with toy guns, and most of the time they understand that Bond is shooting 'bad guys', and randomly killing people is something else. But still, there's enough kids dying in the US because they were playing with the guns of their parents. So again the answer is yes, it happens. Especially in the US. The country with the most kid killing kid ration in the world.
on the smoking, the problem is Bond should be sophisticated, which smoking isn't at all. I think Fleming only stressed the smoking because in the books he smokes his own special mix, made by the local tabacco shop (or at least an exclusive brand), with three gold bands. He stressed it because in a time when everybody smoked, Bond did the same, but with specific taste. A trait he also shows in his peculiar drinking habits (sometimes not very refined, as when he adds pepper to a very fine vodka) and his taste for special food. Even adding when it all was supposed to be nice but tasted bland and boring.
All in all, the smoking would only be 'Bond' if he was very peculiar with it, something we don't see in the films and makes little sense these days except for cigars. I wouldn't oppose him lighting an Esplendido, but cigarettes are not Bond (anymore).
I believe this is actually a quote from Richard Burton about Joan Collins.
I would say that ordering handmade cigarettes with 3 gold bands and a special mix of tobacco is quite 'peculiar' (sic - I'm assuming you mean particular?).
It seems to be the fact that smoking is not deemed as 'classy' it 'sophisticated' these days that is most people's objection rather than the health implications or the kiddies, but Bond wouldn't be chugging Lambert & Butler and I don't hear that much criticism of him looking rough and downing pills like Amy Winehouse in SF.
Is killing people 'sophisticated'?
At the end of the day if people want to pass judgement on smoking that's one thing, but I know a few reasonably wealthy people who enjoy a good drag now and then, whether it be from a pipe, a cigar or a fag.
As was mentioned previously, is drinking Heineken sophisticated?
Ah, yes, that's what happens on a busy workday. Anyway, it's sort of peculiar as well, I take it few, if none do this these days.
Well it may not be most people's objection, but for me it's an added ingredient. Let's put it this way, I prefer him none-smoking as:
cons:
- As stated above, it isn't particular
- it isn't glamourous or sophisticated, on the contrary, it's now more connected to the working class
- It's unhealthy and, with that, an easy to copy role-model
- People who smoke smell. Rather, again, unsophisticated.
- Smoking is considered by some a weakness
- to stay as fit as Bond has to be to survive the action he's put through, he wouldn't be able to smoke in the first place.
pros:
- The literary character smoked (a very particular way).
- 'It looks cool" (which is rather in the eye of the beholder, I don't agree).
- ........
And, if it is Daniel still playing, you'd have to ask someone who had a hard time stopping to start again, which in practical way isn't very nice.
Now enlarging the 'pro' sentiment by using a sauce of PC-stigma isn't going to change those points, and besides, sometimes the PC brigade has a point.
Of course some of the above points, but certainly not all, can be made for alcohol as well. Let's see:
cons:
- As stated above, it isn't particular (Bond's drinking is)
- it isn't glamourous or sophisticated, on the contrary, it's now more connected to the working class
- It's unhealthy and, with that, an easy to copy role-model
- People who smoke smell. Rather, again, unsophisticated.
- Smoking is considered by some a weakness Drinking isn't, as far as I'm aware of.
- to stay as fit as Bond has to be to survive the action he's put through, he wouldn't be able to smoke in the first place. You might think differently, but I know a guy who's strong as an ox, trains every day 3 hours and basically downs a bottle of Whisky a day as well. Don't ask me how though.
Perhaps, when they discover alcohol is the main source for liver cancer and it occurs as much as long cancer, sentiments will change. For now though, I don't think that's bound to happen.
It depends what you smoke surely. Cigar is still fairly sophisticated, snobby even. Pipes are old fashioned and borderline anachronistic. Cigarettes have been de-gentrified so to speak. Yes some wealthy people still smoke a fag but it's no longer snobby.
I just find people are conflating the sophistication argument with other deeply visceral opinions on the subject here. Yes, it's not a good habit to have, but people still do it, including sophisticates.
Not sure, however, if the working class argument counts because when the it is common in the working class, why does Craig's Bond not smoke?
Just so. One only has to look at a randomly picked rap star to know how unclassy some rich people can be. Moreover, not all expensive items are classy either. A Lamborghini for instance is downright vulgar.
Sophisticating oneself has to do with education. Either it's the way you have been brought up, the way you've educated yourself or both. It is about appreciating the subtle nuances in quality products. Of which some happen to be expensive, though not all.
Furthermore it has to do with the way you talk and present yourself: well-behaved and well-dressed.
Ever since Brosnan started it seemed like they were trying to move away from smoking and it's blatantly obvious by the time TND came out. I mean, Bond's first words in the film are "filthy habit" to a smoker after knocking him out cold. At the Carver announcement he smashes an ashtray on a goon's head and later punches someone asking for a light. There's a message in the violence he enacts and it couldn't be more obvious.
The irony of this remark isn't lost on me.
I was not only refering to you, but many of the members who seem to want Bond to splash a lot of cash, thereby presumably demonstrating his sophistication. That is not what it's about for me.
Just above your post my friend ;-)
That's the one thing I actually did not dislike about DAD: Bond smoking a cigar.
I think back in the 50s-60s, smoking something was a sign of class and virility. Now, not really. Yes some snobs do smoke but it's no longer a sine qua non sign of snobbery or sophistication. Not cigarettes amyway. Cigars I'd argue that it still very much has that aura of sophistication.
Really?! /s
Really? I always thought RM had a face just made for having a cigar in it. Just like the one and only Jean Paul Belmondo, for instance. I think it has something to do with demeanor as well as the face itself. Both tend to have rather wide cut faces. With Craig I think it would not work well. He would much more look like a guy out of from Martin Scorsese film than a sophisticated British gentleman.
The cigar certainly fitted Sir Roger in 'The Wild Geese' .