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  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    You don't like SKYFALL, @JamesBondKenya.
    But it's great you like QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Hope you like the next one.

    Quantum is truly underrated. One of the best Bond films as far as I'm concerned. Sure, foot chase in Vienna kinda sucks, as does the boat chase, but everything else (the car chase, airplane scenes, finale action scenes were great) about this movie is so good. A future Bond classic.

    Most importantly, QoS HAD SOUL. Whenever I think of Skyfall, I can't help but feel a little cold about it. But QoS seems to feel more nostalgic and emotional. Craig at his peak. Arnold at his peak. Cinematography at it's peak. Proper fit suits, to top it off.

    Don't you mean Siena?
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    Not sure QOS is a classic but definitely more enjoyable and with more rewatch value than SF.

    I don't find QOS nostalgic either. The opposite. Fresh and forward looking.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    Getafix wrote: »
    Not sure QOS is a classic but definitely more enjoyable and with more rewatch value than SF.

    I don't find QOS nostalgic either. The opposite. Fresh and forward looking.

    I say that because to me it felt like a lot of early Connery adventures.

    And that little guitar solo by Arnold as Camille and Bond are walking through the Bolivian desert. Great moments like that can't be found in SF or SP.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    How were they going to explain the death of M to the government officials at one agent's lodge in Scotland?
    Well, they did explain it somehow since none of them were punished. How did they explain it? I don't know and I don't care. The explaining happened off screen. (One possible scenario: M recorded a message before they headed for Scotland declaring that she is willingly going with Bond and takes full responsibility for her decision.) This is where suspension of disbelief should come into play.
    We could assume that, @PanchitoPistoles. Sure. But, this isn't explained in the film, at all. That assumption however was never indicated in the film, might as well be an injection of a new plot element that covers that hole. A piece of puzzle brought from the outside. I don't watch the film as much and might have seen it only for four or five times max, so my memory might not serve me well with this, but didn't Bond cut off all the communication links before disappearing? And since Silva was monitoring all their lines, wouldn't he have known that the video was sent and the whole operation would've exposed him for an easy way for shooting in and out? That doesn't add up at all.
    Yet for kidnapping M (whether you like it or not, that's how it officially is going to be seen) and losing her in the field, he's gotten a free pass. How's that happening, pray tell?
    The answer is very simple: it was not officially seen as Bond kidnapping M. In the epilogue we see that Bond avoided punishment, which means he was able to explain the events somehow, and prove that he did not kidnap M. How did he do all this? It simply doesn't matter.
    Bond didn't kidnap M. The audience knows it, we know it, and the Scooby gang knows it. But, the Whitehall officials don't know it. M wasn't escorted to a safe house the prime minister would've known. And with Mallory as the chairman of the intelligence and security committee, lying to the PM about it would've cost him his job. He wasn't authorized and acted off the books, which would be seen as corruption (which, at heart, isn't, but we only we know it. Whitehall doesn't). I'm not saying let's put 20 minutes of discussion preparing this scene, but a simple line or two with Mallory receiving an operation granted permission from the PM (who's only mentioned, not seen) would've sufficed it. Just like how Captain Benson (George Baker) in The Spy Who Loved Me would receive word from the person on the other side of the call that their submarine was gone missing. The whole film's indication to the scheme is that it was acted off the heads of a few intelligence people who don't have a say in the authorization of such a carry-out. They'd be tried for this. And of course, after what happened at the Skyfall Lodge with M's death circulating it, you can't fabricate a story like that to your liking. It would've taken months to clear this out, and if the judges or the ministry itself pushing the public inquiry were understanding of the matter. Knowing Clair Dowar (Helen McCrory), she'd condemn the MI6 furthermore. We saw how she was determined to take M down with treasonous allegations, didn't we?
    I'm surprised her death hasn't sparked an official investigation by the Whitehall.
    Of course it has sparked an investigation. Again, it was not shown because putting a 5 minute scene at the end of the movie showing Bond getting exonerated would have been very amateurish filmmaking.
    Again, I'm not saying we should put a whole scene of Bond being exonerated as it indeed doesn't fit the film's pacing (especially after the death of M scene). But, Moneypenny or M back at the new headquarters could've mentioned that they're all cleared out, etc in a line or two, letting the public know of what happened. It wouldn't have taken a second.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,306
    I probably dislike Spectre more than anyone else here, but this Mendes hate has to stop. American Beauty, Road to Perdition, and Skyfall are truly sublime movies. Name one Bond director who has a better filmography than Mendes does. I'll wait.

    Mendes is a good, if overrated, director. American Beauty to me is more a triumph of script and score (sad to say as I hated SP's effort). Bening, who is great in other things, is so over-the-top in AB, and dare I say, poorly directed.

    Mendes' fatal flaw with Bond was that he totally misunderstood what worked in CR--a stripped-down Bond who relied on his wits, few gadgets, and no Moneypenny and Q.

    Eon, quite shrewdly, wiped out 20 films worth of baggage (because any long-running series has baggage) with a single film. Mendes brought it all back, unnecessarily so, and threw in endless LALD homages, to boot.
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Getafix wrote: »
    Not sure QOS is a classic but definitely more enjoyable and with more rewatch value than SF.

    I don't find QOS nostalgic either. The opposite. Fresh and forward looking.

    I say that because to me it felt like a lot of early Connery adventures.

    And that little guitar solo by Arnold as Camille and Bond are walking through the Bolivian desert. Great moments like that can't be found in SF or SP.

    Ahh... Sorry. In that case I entirely agree with you. For me too QOS has a lightness of touch and doesn't outstay its welcome. In that way I also feel it is more reminiscent of the early Bond films than anything else we've had for a very long time. But I don't find it nostalgic in a conscious way. I think we agree though.

    I guess I'd say that in spirit it is more a simple, fast paced little action thriller, as opposed to the lumbering, directionless behemoths we have been getting served up recently.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    I just want to get back to the quality of CR 2006.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    Getafix wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Not sure QOS is a classic but definitely more enjoyable and with more rewatch value than SF.

    I don't find QOS nostalgic either. The opposite. Fresh and forward looking.

    I say that because to me it felt like a lot of early Connery adventures.

    And that little guitar solo by Arnold as Camille and Bond are walking through the Bolivian desert. Great moments like that can't be found in SF or SP.

    Ahh... Sorry. In that case I entirely agree with you. For me too QOS has a lightness of touch and doesn't outstay its welcome. In that way I also feel it is more reminiscent of the early Bond films than anything else we've had for a very long time. But I don't find it nostalgic in a conscious way. I think we agree though.

    I guess I'd say that in spirit it is more a simple, fast paced little action thriller, as opposed to the lumbering, directionless behemoths we have been getting served up recently.

    And i thought for the longest time that I was the only person on earth that didn’t love skyfall and that liked QOS.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Getafix wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Not sure QOS is a classic but definitely more enjoyable and with more rewatch value than SF.

    I don't find QOS nostalgic either. The opposite. Fresh and forward looking.

    I say that because to me it felt like a lot of early Connery adventures.

    And that little guitar solo by Arnold as Camille and Bond are walking through the Bolivian desert. Great moments like that can't be found in SF or SP.

    Ahh... Sorry. In that case I entirely agree with you. For me too QOS has a lightness of touch and doesn't outstay its welcome. In that way I also feel it is more reminiscent of the early Bond films than anything else we've had for a very long time. But I don't find it nostalgic in a conscious way. I think we agree though.

    I guess I'd say that in spirit it is more a simple, fast paced little action thriller, as opposed to the lumbering, directionless behemoths we have been getting served up recently.

    And i thought for the longest time that I was the only person on earth that didn’t love skyfall and that liked QOS.
    You’re not alone, laddie.
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Yes ironic given that QoS cost a bundle as well. Not sure Forster made best use of the budget, but I still like the end result. SF has pretences to being a 'bigger' more epic movie, but collapses under the weight of its own pretensions. Any film where people start reading out poetry to convey a message is always likely to be a stinker IMO. Not that I don't like poetry, but the way its used has an almost fourth wall breaking dimension to it. Like this is the moment where Cambrdige English Grad Sam Mendes tells us through his favourite poem what the films all about, just incase we missed the painting on the wall in the National Gallery (which I didn't mind so much).
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    Getafix wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Not sure QOS is a classic but definitely more enjoyable and with more rewatch value than SF.

    I don't find QOS nostalgic either. The opposite. Fresh and forward looking.

    I say that because to me it felt like a lot of early Connery adventures.

    And that little guitar solo by Arnold as Camille and Bond are walking through the Bolivian desert. Great moments like that can't be found in SF or SP.

    Ahh... Sorry. In that case I entirely agree with you. For me too QOS has a lightness of touch and doesn't outstay its welcome. In that way I also feel it is more reminiscent of the early Bond films than anything else we've had for a very long time. But I don't find it nostalgic in a conscious way. I think we agree though.

    I guess I'd say that in spirit it is more a simple, fast paced little action thriller, as opposed to the lumbering, directionless behemoths we have been getting served up recently.

    Yes we do. On that note I'll have to rewatch Timothy Dalton's Bond films soon.
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    I loved the poem and also the meeting in the national gallery. Things like this reestablishes bond as a British cinematic icon rather than the mid Atlantic nonsense we got in die another day.

    I love skyfall. It has momentum, interest and character. It does have plot holes galore but I think it's greater than the sum of its parts.

    The exact opposite of Spectre
  • echo wrote: »
    I probably dislike Spectre more than anyone else here, but this Mendes hate has to stop. American Beauty, Road to Perdition, and Skyfall are truly sublime movies. Name one Bond director who has a better filmography than Mendes does. I'll wait.

    Mendes is a good, if overrated, director. American Beauty to me is more a triumph of script and score (sad to say as I hated SP's effort). Bening, who is great in other things, is so over-the-top in AB, and dare I say, poorly directed.

    Mendes' fatal flaw with Bond was that he totally misunderstood what worked in CR--a stripped-down Bond who relied on his wits, few gadgets, and no Moneypenny and Q.

    Eon, quite shrewdly, wiped out 20 films worth of baggage (because any long-running series has baggage) with a single film. Mendes brought it all back, unnecessarily so, and threw in endless LALD homages, to boot.

    It's absolutely no good in here....to discuss Sam Mendes from a different perspective. And the slamming continues, continues.....even towards his other films in his filmography. Nothing stays untouched here.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    You don't like SKYFALL, @JamesBondKenya.
    But it's great you like QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Hope you like the next one.

    Quantum is truly underrated. One of the best Bond films as far as I'm concerned. Sure, foot chase in Vienna kinda sucks, as does the boat chase, but everything else (the car chase, airplane scenes, finale action scenes were great) about this movie is so good. A future Bond classic.

    Most importantly, QoS HAD SOUL. Whenever I think of Skyfall, I can't help but feel a little cold about it. But QoS seems to feel more nostalgic and emotional. Craig at his peak. Arnold at his peak. Cinematography at it's peak. Proper fit suits, to top it off.

    This man knows what he's talking about. Well said.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    echo wrote: »
    I probably dislike Spectre more than anyone else here, but this Mendes hate has to stop. American Beauty, Road to Perdition, and Skyfall are truly sublime movies. Name one Bond director who has a better filmography than Mendes does. I'll wait.

    Mendes is a good, if overrated, director. American Beauty to me is more a triumph of script and score (sad to say as I hated SP's effort). Bening, who is great in other things, is so over-the-top in AB, and dare I say, poorly directed.

    Mendes' fatal flaw with Bond was that he totally misunderstood what worked in CR--a stripped-down Bond who relied on his wits, few gadgets, and no Moneypenny and Q.

    Eon, quite shrewdly, wiped out 20 films worth of baggage (because any long-running series has baggage) with a single film. Mendes brought it all back, unnecessarily so, and threw in endless LALD homages, to boot.

    It's absolutely no good in here....to discuss Sam Mendes from a different perspective. And the slamming continues, continues.....even towards his other films in his filmography. Nothing stays untouched here.
    Now, you know what it’s like to speak against your idol. ;)
  • echo wrote: »
    I probably dislike Spectre more than anyone else here, but this Mendes hate has to stop. American Beauty, Road to Perdition, and Skyfall are truly sublime movies. Name one Bond director who has a better filmography than Mendes does. I'll wait.

    Mendes is a good, if overrated, director. American Beauty to me is more a triumph of script and score (sad to say as I hated SP's effort). Bening, who is great in other things, is so over-the-top in AB, and dare I say, poorly directed.

    Mendes' fatal flaw with Bond was that he totally misunderstood what worked in CR--a stripped-down Bond who relied on his wits, few gadgets, and no Moneypenny and Q.

    Eon, quite shrewdly, wiped out 20 films worth of baggage (because any long-running series has baggage) with a single film. Mendes brought it all back, unnecessarily so, and threw in endless LALD homages, to boot.

    It's absolutely no good in here....to discuss Sam Mendes from a different perspective. And the slamming continues, continues.....even towards his other films in his filmography. Nothing stays untouched here.
    Now, you know what it’s like to speak against your idol. ;)

    Idol?
  • GumboldGumbold Atlantis
    edited November 2017 Posts: 118
    You don't like SKYFALL, @JamesBondKenya.
    But it's great you like QUANTUM OF SOLACE. Hope you like the next one.

    Quantum is truly underrated. One of the best Bond films as far as I'm concerned. Sure, foot chase in Vienna kinda sucks, as does the boat chase, but everything else (the car chase, airplane scenes, finale action scenes were great) about this movie is so good. A future Bond classic.

    Most importantly, QoS HAD SOUL. Whenever I think of Skyfall, I can't help but feel a little cold about it. But QoS seems to feel more nostalgic and emotional. Craig at his peak. Arnold at his peak. Cinematography at it's peak. Proper fit suits, to top it off.

    To me QoS is the most re-watchable Bond movie. It's a fast paced, shorter movie, with emotional weight. I think Daniel Craig really gave everything he had in that movie, watched it, wasn't satisfied, then gave up in Skyfall and SPECTRE. If it wasn't for the editing it would probably be in my top 5. Craig really did the best acting of his life in QoS. And you can not not love Mathis
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    @echo What on earth are you talking about? Are you seriously insinuating that without Mendes, Moneypenny and Q would not have appeared again sooner or later? As for gadgets, Bond hardly relied on gadgets in Skyfall.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,218
    echo wrote: »
    I probably dislike Spectre more than anyone else here, but this Mendes hate has to stop. American Beauty, Road to Perdition, and Skyfall are truly sublime movies. Name one Bond director who has a better filmography than Mendes does. I'll wait.

    Mendes is a good, if overrated, director. American Beauty to me is more a triumph of script and score (sad to say as I hated SP's effort). Bening, who is great in other things, is so over-the-top in AB, and dare I say, poorly directed.

    Mendes' fatal flaw with Bond was that he totally misunderstood what worked in CR--a stripped-down Bond who relied on his wits, few gadgets, and no Moneypenny and Q.

    Eon, quite shrewdly, wiped out 20 films worth of baggage (because any long-running series has baggage) with a single film. Mendes brought it all back, unnecessarily so, and threw in endless LALD homages, to boot.

    It's absolutely no good in here....to discuss Sam Mendes from a different perspective. And the slamming continues, continues.....even towards his other films in his filmography. Nothing stays untouched here.

    Some of his other films are excellent. Road To Perdition in particular.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    echo wrote: »
    I probably dislike Spectre more than anyone else here, but this Mendes hate has to stop. American Beauty, Road to Perdition, and Skyfall are truly sublime movies. Name one Bond director who has a better filmography than Mendes does. I'll wait.

    Mendes is a good, if overrated, director. American Beauty to me is more a triumph of script and score (sad to say as I hated SP's effort). Bening, who is great in other things, is so over-the-top in AB, and dare I say, poorly directed.

    Mendes' fatal flaw with Bond was that he totally misunderstood what worked in CR--a stripped-down Bond who relied on his wits, few gadgets, and no Moneypenny and Q.

    Eon, quite shrewdly, wiped out 20 films worth of baggage (because any long-running series has baggage) with a single film. Mendes brought it all back, unnecessarily so, and threw in endless LALD homages, to boot.

    It's absolutely no good in here....to discuss Sam Mendes from a different perspective. And the slamming continues, continues.....even towards his other films in his filmography. Nothing stays untouched here.

    Slamming? What has @echo written there that isn't fair and reasoned criticism in his opinion?

    Maybe there's a Bond forum for 5 year olds out there you could join where you can post:

    'I like Sam Mendes. He makes good James Bond films like Skyfalls and Specter. They are very good films with interesting stories and nice music. I don't like when nasty people say Sam Mendes is not good. He directs very nice films and nasty people should be more nice about Sam Mendes because he is good. I want him to do more exciting films about James Bond.'
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    echo wrote: »

    Mendes' fatal flaw with Bond was that he totally misunderstood what worked in CR--a stripped-down Bond who relied on his wits, few gadgets, and no Moneypenny and Q.

    Eon, quite shrewdly, wiped out 20 films worth of baggage (because any long-running series has baggage) with a single film. Mendes brought it all back, unnecessarily so, and threw in endless LALD homages, to boot.

    Can't find fault with this.

  • echo wrote: »
    I probably dislike Spectre more than anyone else here, but this Mendes hate has to stop. American Beauty, Road to Perdition, and Skyfall are truly sublime movies. Name one Bond director who has a better filmography than Mendes does. I'll wait.

    Mendes is a good, if overrated, director. American Beauty to me is more a triumph of script and score (sad to say as I hated SP's effort). Bening, who is great in other things, is so over-the-top in AB, and dare I say, poorly directed.

    Mendes' fatal flaw with Bond was that he totally misunderstood what worked in CR--a stripped-down Bond who relied on his wits, few gadgets, and no Moneypenny and Q.

    Eon, quite shrewdly, wiped out 20 films worth of baggage (because any long-running series has baggage) with a single film. Mendes brought it all back, unnecessarily so, and threw in endless LALD homages, to boot.

    It's absolutely no good in here....to discuss Sam Mendes from a different perspective. And the slamming continues, continues.....even towards his other films in his filmography. Nothing stays untouched here.

    Slamming? What has @echo written there that isn't fair and reasoned criticism in his opinion?

    Maybe there's a Bond forum for 5 year olds out there you could join where you can post:

    'I like Sam Mendes. He makes good James Bond films like Skyfalls and Specter. They are very good films with interesting stories and nice music. I don't like when nasty people say Sam Mendes is not good. He directs very nice films and nasty people should be more nice about Sam Mendes because he is good. I want him to do more exciting films about James Bond.'

    You sound like Judas now.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    suavejmf wrote: »
    I just want to get back to the quality of CR 2006.

    +1
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,818
    royale65 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Mendes' fatal flaw with Bond was that he totally misunderstood what worked in CR--a stripped-down Bond who relied on his wits, few gadgets, and no Moneypenny and Q.

    Eon, quite shrewdly, wiped out 20 films worth of baggage (because any long-running series has baggage) with a single film. Mendes brought it all back, unnecessarily so, and threw in endless LALD homages, to boot.
    Can't find fault with this.
    CASINO ROYALE was an official reboot, a reset establishing a new timeline.
    It was obvious to me that the filmmakers were making the most of the opportunity by showing the first two kills, Bond earning OO-status, and the Vesper story for the first time. And making sense of/giving context to elements like the car chase, Bond getting captured and tortured by the villain, the martini, the sacrificial lamb.
    From there, they would continue to build the same longtime Bond film formula. So: the arrival of Q and Moneypenny. The warrior henchman. More global capers by the villain. Blofeld and SPECTRE are a natural since they got the rights back.
    I'm standing by for even more humor and other staples. The call-backs/homages to films 1-20 are welcome to me, they've long been used as a celebration of the franchise.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    Posts: 732
    QoS is an awesome Bond movie for me, too - yet I like Skyfall, too. The one fast-paced and full of energy - the other one slow(er) and without any doubt beautifully photographed (which definitly applies to QoS, too though)

    QoS (to me) is hurt by it‘s insane editing (and wasting those awesome locations to some degree ... just a *little* bit slower editing woudl‘ve done wonders (one could follow the acrion properly) yet not losing the intention and impression. But I like the story, the villain ... all of it. Highly rewatchable.

    On Skyfall I would not have made Moneypenny an ex-Field Agent (I still thing that‘s nonsense) but the rest is quite cool still - a different type of movie that truly was something new in the series. Less rewatchable but still there‘s so many scenes I just love (enjoying death, underwater fight, the DB5)
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    QoS is an awesome Bond movie for me, too - yet I like Skyfall, too. The one fast-paced and full of energy - the other one slow(er) and without any doubt beautifully photographed (which definitly applies to QoS, too though)

    QoS (to me) is hurt by it‘s insane editing (and wasting those awesome locations to some degree ... just a *little* bit slower editing woudl‘ve done wonders (one could follow the acrion properly) yet not losing the intention and impression. But I like the story, the villain ... all of it. Highly rewatchable.

    On Skyfall I would not have made Moneypenny an ex-Field Agent (I still thing that‘s nonsense) but the rest is quite cool still - a different type of movie that truly was something new in the series. Less rewatchable but still there‘s so many scenes I just love (enjoying death, underwater fight, the DB5)

    QOS and Spectre both really suffer in their final acts. On both occassions extensive rewrites were ongoing during filming. In QOS due to writers strike and budget being eaten up, and Spectre reshoots of London action shots due to weather and Local authority planning. It also caused budget issues. But QOS and Spectre also share another similarity.. arguably their PTS's are among the best parts of the movie. The bar is set high from the start .
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    echo wrote: »
    I probably dislike Spectre more than anyone else here, but this Mendes hate has to stop. American Beauty, Road to Perdition, and Skyfall are truly sublime movies. Name one Bond director who has a better filmography than Mendes does. I'll wait.

    Mendes is a good, if overrated, director. American Beauty to me is more a triumph of script and score (sad to say as I hated SP's effort). Bening, who is great in other things, is so over-the-top in AB, and dare I say, poorly directed.

    Mendes' fatal flaw with Bond was that he totally misunderstood what worked in CR--a stripped-down Bond who relied on his wits, few gadgets, and no Moneypenny and Q.

    Eon, quite shrewdly, wiped out 20 films worth of baggage (because any long-running series has baggage) with a single film. Mendes brought it all back, unnecessarily so, and threw in endless LALD homages, to boot.

    It's absolutely no good in here....to discuss Sam Mendes from a different perspective. And the slamming continues, continues.....even towards his other films in his filmography. Nothing stays untouched here.

    Slamming? What has @echo written there that isn't fair and reasoned criticism in his opinion?

    Maybe there's a Bond forum for 5 year olds out there you could join where you can post:

    'I like Sam Mendes. He makes good James Bond films like Skyfalls and Specter. They are very good films with interesting stories and nice music. I don't like when nasty people say Sam Mendes is not good. He directs very nice films and nasty people should be more nice about Sam Mendes because he is good. I want him to do more exciting films about James Bond.'

    You sound like Judas now.
    Does the Religion of Sam Mendes in the temple of Plot-Twistery prohibit a non-believer from doubting the actions of the Mighty Zod Mendes?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Can we get back on topic?
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    jake24 wrote: »
    Can we get back on topic?

    The lack of anything happening means there is actually nothing for this topic lol
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    jake24 wrote: »
    Can we get back on topic?

    The lack of anything happening means there is actually nothing for this topic lol
    So there's no need cloud the thread with irrelevance, is there?
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