No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 16,169
    talos7 wrote: »
    I would take Campbell over Mendes in a second.

    Me, too. I'd take Roger Spottiswoode over Mendes actually.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I would take Campbell over Mendes in a second.

    I'd take Tamahori over Mendes at this point.
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 684
    bondjames wrote: »
    Do people really want Demange or Mackenzie over Mendes?

    Surely Sam is the preferred choice of the three?
    At this point I would. Not so much because I think they're better directors, or even more suited to Bond. Two Mendes entries back to back has been enough for the moment. I'm sure he'd top SP, that's not really an issue.

    I just want something different. (Or at least I think I do...we'll see how I feel once I actually get it.)
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    If he leaves the psychoanalysis and mellow drama on the shelf, fine.. I don't think there is much further into Bond personally we can continue to go.. or are we going to have to sit through another film with him contemplating the moral repercussions that killing will have on him personally?... I love Mendes' visual style - but he needs to go in a different direction story/theme wise if he is to come back.
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    What about a Ridley Scott Bond film?
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    @FoxRox. Maybe about 15 years ago.. Recently, I feel like he is losing his mind lol.
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    Maybe. I’m hard-pressed to think of a slam-dunk choice for a director besides Campbell returning. Neither Nolan or Tarantino sounds good, IMO. Nolan would make it too deep and Tarantino would make it too gory.
  • John McTiernan would've been an interesting choice at one point in time. He directed some great action films in Die Hard and Predator.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    CrzChris4 wrote: »
    John McTiernan would've been an interesting choice at one point in time. He directed some great action films in Die Hard and Predator.

    Don't forget Hunt For Red October, Medicine Man and The Thomas Crown Affair (the Brosnan one).. I think mid/late 90s McTiernan would've been prime for a Bond movie.. he hasn't done much since then i'm afraid...

    ... always loved him as a director though, and most of his films are among my favorites.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    edited November 2017 Posts: 732
    Mendes: Oh dear god
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    McTiernan would’ve been hell of a director and would still be in my opinion. But, the guy has been locked up since 2003 and didn’t get out until like three years ago. That’s why he wasn’t making any films.
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 4,619
    I would prefer fresh blood, but I wouldn't be against Mendes returning. I am confident that if he returned, he would blow everyone away and deliver a movie as great as Skyfall. He is EASILY the best director the franchise had so far.
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    HASEROT wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Personally, I'm hoping for more studio input on these new deals.

    i have to check you on this one - but why?... when has a studio ever been at the forefront of good ideas?... typically, whenever a studio interjects themselves into creative matters, it ends badly.. i will use the examples of X3: X-men United, The Amazing Spider-man 1 and 2, and the Ghostbusters reboot as prime examples..

    You probably want a tighter leash - checks and balances sort of issues.. but i think that needs to come from EON's end, and them having a clear concise plan of what they want to do, and maybe they need to take the Marvel approach from now on - and thats hire directors that have to execute their vision - instead of letting auteurs come in, and run rampant.?
    I didn't read the Sony hack leaks, but having visited the thread often I noticed that they came up with some good suggestions, and actually advised EON/Mendes that things were out of control with that debacle of a script for SP.

    Additionally, I'm increasingly uncomfortable with the control that directors (and actors) appear to be given with this franchise, as you noted. To me the best film from the Sony stable remains CR, which more or less followed the script (sure they shook up the tropes, but it was still less arty farty than what's come since imho, including SP). I think that's because it was a new start, and so everyone did their best to stay on message.

    Ultimately it's true that theoretically we have EON there to veto any rubbish ideas. However, they appear to be the ones who have let the auteurs (again including actor) run wild recently, and so I believe the studio 'bean counters' need to exercise more control and discipline. Hopefully that is what will happen for B25, and if not, then for B26.

    To a certain extend I agree with you @BondJames. Hence I actually wrote the letter and created the subsequent petition here. I remember vividly the negative, slightly depressed sentiment that got the better of me after the SonyLeaks went public. You could describe that sentiment as: "It would have been better if the SonyLeaks would never have happened. Because it turns the Bond fan community into a rather rogue, over-critical fan base and it makes EON Productions even more of a 'closed shop'". So I think in the long end the leaks didn't change a lot. On the contrary, it might have facilitated EON Productions in becoming a bit more fearful, less transparent and less open-minded to some initial good ideas that are floating around because of these SonyLeaks.

    Obviously the above should never be a reason to write a rather daft, incoherent, illogical screenplay. And I agree that a good Bond film falls or stands on the actions of the cinematic gatekeepers that screenplay writers are in my opinion. I sincerely hope Neal Purvis & Robert Wade do their uttermost best for Bond 25 and throw away their creative ineptness and numbness that got the better of them (as mentioned so clearly by them in March, please read my letter).

    But, everything's a matter of perspective in the end. And I sincerely believe that this......new 'production approach', in which cast and crew are getting more creative influence over the franchise, also created a lot of good. And I mean a lot of good. From my perspective good stories not always result in good movies, and some timeless classic films were actually not that dependent on tightly knitted storylines and screenplays. The quality of a film like Kubrick's "2001: A Space Odyssey", one of my all-time favourites, is much more dependent on production design, cinematography and special effects, than it is on plot and character development. It's an Arthur C. Clarke-ian, almost Biblical piece of 'cinematic literature' that leaves a lot of themes open for your own interpretation. The same with a more recent film, like Alejandro G. Iñárritu's "The Revenant", which in essence was a feast of incredible cinematography, letting audiences indulge in the frigid, cold North-West of early USA.

    By that example, I still find "Skyfall" an impressive feature. Sam Mendes did something wonderful to the Bond franchise, by focusing more on characters and cinematography instead of easy-to-understand, 'pre-chewed', coherent stories. Does it make "Skyfall" less good than "Casino Royale"? Well, we know that answer within the confinements of this forum. But luckily outside this forum there is an overwhelming majority who can not choose easily between either "Casino Royale" and "Skyfall" (this: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/11/09/skyfall-fifth-anniversary , and this: http://www.ladbible.com/entertainment/film-and-tv-casino-royale-has-been-voted-the-best-james-bond-film-20171111 ).

    So while I am now pretty critical towards the direction of the Bond franchise, I honestly don't think that the Craig-era went mostly downhill after "Casino Royale". The choices made by Barbara and Michael (and Craig) for the 23rd Bond film "Skyfall" worked wonderfully in my honest opinion. Mendes' choice to focus on characters, drama and cinematography created a film that's among the best of the bunch. I even want to admit that, with some self-conscious narrative repairs and screenplay improvements -if Barbara and Michael weren't so adament to keep certain expensive stage recreations, like the London bridge- "SPECTRE" could have been a shoe-in for TOP 10 of best Bond films as well.

    So while I agree with you @BondJames that EON needs to refocus heavily for Bond 25, I disagree with you that EON "lets the auteurs run wild" in the past 7 years. Their creative decisions for the most part paid off. And in all honestly, we haven't seen a straight downfall of quality that we experienced more clearly after "GoldenEye". Being critical is good. I have my sincere worries as well. Hence I tried to address them with constructive and positive-spirited criticism in my petition. But it's not really helpful, nor is it constructive to say EON is letting things run wild. I probably am a 'lonely voice' on this forum with this opinion.

    But look on the bright side: I don't mind another Sam Mendes-like Bond film in which character development and cinematography are still very important pillars of the good film. Just add a bit more pro-active and logical thinking when it comes to writing a good story treatment and screenplay, and in the process improve a bit on elements like humour and action a la Steven Soderbergh. And et voila.....Bond 25 might as well become another timeless classic. Just have a little faith, don't think to black-and-white (because there are more roads leading to Rome), and dare to channel constructive criticism in alternative ways instead of following just one 'grand dark force' that got the better of most people in this particular topic.

    Wouldn't you say @DarthDimi :-).

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    Never knew John McTieran was locked up.

    Ridley Scott would have been great in the 90s/early 2000s.

    Would have loved to see him direct Dalton's 3rd.

    He might have been the director Brosnan needed as well - experienced and with a strong vision.
  • Would love to see Mendes return and direct Bond 25. However most directors have numerous projects that they are attached to and it might be that he has left Pinocchio to pursue one of those. I think that back in early 2017 he was attached to a film being developed by SONY - MY FAVOURITE THING IS MONSTERS. Not sure if he is still attached to this one or not.

    However - Mendes is probably aware of some of the issues that plague SP and would like to return to make the greatest Bond film ever made. Considering all the behind the scenes mayhem we discovered through the Sony leaks what Mendes and his team delivered in SP was a thrilling and entertaining Bond adventure. In my opinion.

    I think if the "brother" story had been dropped and Blofeld was...well just Blofeld with no family connections I think the film and Mendes would be treated a bit better around here. How do all you Campbell fans think SP (with the same screenplay) would have turned out ? A better film. Probably not.

    Of everyone on the list to potentially direct Bond 25 I think the best choice would be to try and get Mendes back. With a solid story and a great screenplay Mendes would deliver.



  • walter1985walter1985 Rotterdam
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    Would love to see Mendes return and direct Bond 25. However most directors have numerous projects that they are attached to and it might be that he has left Pinocchio to pursue one of those. I think that back in early 2017 he was attached to a film being developed by SONY - MY FAVOURITE THING IS MONSTERS. Not sure if he is still attached to this one or not.

    However - Mendes is probably aware of some of the issues that plague SP and would like to return to make the greatest Bond film ever made. Considering all the behind the scenes mayhem we discovered through the Sony leaks what Mendes and his team delivered in SP was a thrilling and entertaining Bond adventure. In my opinion.

    I think if the "brother" story had been dropped and Blofeld was...well just Blofeld with no family connections I think the film and Mendes would be treated a bit better around here. How do all you Campbell fans think SP (with the same screenplay) would have turned out ? A better film. Probably not.

    Of everyone on the list to potentially direct Bond 25 I think the best choice would be to try and get Mendes back. With a solid story and a great screenplay Mendes would deliver.



    exept that all the problems I have with Spectre aparently are Mendes' ideas...
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited November 2017 Posts: 5,131
    bondjames wrote: »
    That's true and all but... Bond is not an assassin, just so to speak. He has a license to kill, sure, but he also investigates or even goes to a formality as a representative of either his government or the MI-6 (an example is in Moonraker when he meets Drax for the first time). An assassin is just a triggerman/woman.
    Fair enough and that's true. My point is more that they're attempting to ride the superhero wave by playing up his patriotism and heroic qualities, while ditching some of his less palatable and also more refined characteristics. I expect this to continue as they chase the common denominator box office. Not a fan of it personally, but it is what it is.
    I personally prefer myself a rather patriotic Bond, like how he was throughout the Roger Moore era, even though in the novels he was the exact opposite and was just in it for the thrill of the chase.

    Without question, Fleming saw moral courage as one of the ultimate necessities in a gentleman-adventurer. Because of this, Bond, as the epitome of patriotic moral courage, is consistently pitted against moral cowards – criminals, egotistical maniacs, double agents, etc.

    And although Bond is allowed to grumble every once in a while, his personal commitment to his job and to is country is rarely in jeopardy. Maybe, just maybe, this is one of the reasons why certain commentators continue to bash Bond and Fleming as sexist and nationalist throwbacks.

    Yes, Fleming wrote of the masculine virtues as being exclusively masculine, and yes the independently-minded Bond’s moral courage at times was rash and even dangerous to others, but in today’s overly codified, managerial state, the type of moral courage exemplified by Bond seems antediluvian rather than mainstream.
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 1,021

    walter1985

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    exept that all the problems I have with Spectre aparently are Mendes' ideas...[/quote]

    What are your main problems with SP ?

    Apart from reading here in the Bond Community I have never read anywhere that it was Mendes who came up with the Brofeld story. is there any proof of that ? is it mentioned in the sony leaks ?


  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2017 Posts: 23,883
    So while I am now pretty critical towards the direction of the Bond franchise, I honestly don't think that the Craig-era went mostly downhill after "Casino Royale". The choices made by Barbara and Michael (and Craig) for the 23rd Bond film "Skyfall" worked wonderfully in my honest opinion. Mendes' choice to focus on characters, drama and cinematography created a film that's among the best of the bunch. I even want to admit that, with some self-conscious narrative repairs and screenplay improvements -if Barbara and Michael weren't so adament to keep certain expensive stage recreations, like the London bridge- "SPECTRE" could have been a shoe-in for TOP 10 of best Bond films as well.

    So while I agree with you @BondJames that EON needs to refocus heavily for Bond 25, I disagree with you that EON "lets the auteurs run wild" in the past 7 years. Their creative decisions for the most part paid off. And in all honestly, we haven't seen a straight downfall of quality that we experienced more clearly after "GoldenEye". Being critical is good. I have my sincere worries as well. Hence I tried to address them with constructive and positive-spirited criticism in my petition. But it's not really helpful, nor is it constructive to say EON is letting things run wild. I probably am a 'lonely voice' on this forum with this opinion.

    But look on the bright side: I don't mind another Sam Mendes-like Bond film in which character development and cinematography are still very important pillars of the good film. Just add a bit more pro-active and logical thinking when it comes to writing a good story treatment and screenplay, and in the process improve a bit on elements like humour and action a la Steven Soderbergh. And et voila.....Bond 25 might as well become another timeless classic. Just have a little faith, don't think to black-and-white (because there are more roads leading to Rome), and dare to channel constructive criticism in alternative ways instead of following just one 'grand dark force' that got the better of most people in this particular topic.

    Wouldn't you say @DarthDimi :-).
    @Gustav_Graves, I agree with much of what you said in your post. You'll note that I didn't say that the Craig era went 'downhill' after CR. What I said was that CR remains the best film from the Sony stable. I stand by that assessment. SF may have been the more financially successful entry, but CR is the better 'Bond' film.

    Regarding your points about whether the creative decisions have for the most part paid off. Yes, with SF. It was an audience hit of massive proportions which justified their investment in Mendes. He deserves a lot of credit for crafting a beautiful visual extravaganza with meaningful and poignant characterizations. As stylish a Bond film as you will find and quite unique in the EON oeuvre. This approach wasn't so successful for QoS or SP however. Were the problems at the directorial level, or more at the script level? I think more at the script level. After all, the 'Vesper child' and 'Blofeld Warlord' ideas were all from the initial scripts. So at the end of the day, as you said, the writers are going to be critical to the quality of the films, and unfortunately it hasn't been the same (imho) since Wilson and Maibum stepped out of the frame. Moreover, this 'auteur' approach has been running for over a decade now. I believe it's time for a return to a more producer driven, tighter product. This is why I'm looking forward most excitedly to B26, where they will be forced to go in this more traditional direction on account of a need to successfully establish a new actor.

    Having said that, I'm all for Sam Mendes's return to complete his trilogy as you'll note in my posts from above, so your comments on my 'faith' are misplaced. Additionally, and with due respect, I'd prefer to channel my constructive criticism in a manner that I see fit, if you don't mind. You are quite welcome to do the same, as you seem to be doing.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    Do people really want Demange or Mackenzie over Mendes?

    Surely Sam is the preferred choice of the three?

    Not where I am standing. Actually here we are throwing stones at Mendes.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2017 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    Do people really want Demange or Mackenzie over Mendes?

    Surely Sam is the preferred choice of the three?

    Not where I am standing. Actually here we are throwing stones at Mendes.
    I can understand the concern and point of view. Mendes isn't for everyone.

    The reason I'm ok with it (if it's him) is because I can then more readily accept the (by then) 51 year old Craig returning (along with Scooby and the rest of the clowns). I've always believed that Craig should mean Mendes, because the two of them have shaped the franchise over the past 7-9 years. I wasn't keen on one being allowed back to indulge himself without the co-collaborator back as well. If it's Mendes, the stakes will be very high for both of them to deliver after SP. When the going gets tough...
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    For me Mendes is one for two. Even though Skyfall has massive plot holes and lapses in logic it is immensely entertaining and re-watchable. On the other hand, despite some good moments, I don't think I will ever again watch SPECTRE all the way through.
    The thought of Newman returning is really depressing
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited November 2017 Posts: 2,138
    So Mendes has pulled out of Disney's Pinocchio..
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    So Mendes has pulled out of Disney's Pinocchio..

    I am logging off before NoSolaceLeft logs in.

    http://collider.com/sam-mendes-not-directing-pinocchio-disney/
  • Posts: 19,339
    talos7 wrote: »
    For me Mendes is one for two. Even though Skyfall has massive plot holes and lapses in logic it is immensely entertaining and re-watchable. On the other hand, despite some good moments, I don't think I will ever again watch SPECTRE all the way through.
    The thought of Newman returning is really depressing

    That is a serious worry for me,with or without Mendes.

  • bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Do people really want Demange or Mackenzie over Mendes?

    Surely Sam is the preferred choice of the three?

    Not where I am standing. Actually here we are throwing stones at Mendes.
    I can understand the concern and point of view. Mendes isn't for everyone.

    The reason I'm ok with it (if it's him) is because I can then more readily accept the (by then) 51 year old Craig returning (along with Scooby and the rest of the clowns). I've always believed that Craig should mean Mendes, because the two of them have shaped the franchise over the past 7-9 years. I wasn't keen on one being allowed back to indulge himself without the co-collaborator back as well. If it's Mendes, the stakes will be very high for both of them to deliver after SP. When the going gets tough...

    There's some cynicism in your comment. As I read your comments, I feel this indifferent sentiment from your side. Like "Ooowh Craig is it, so I prefer to focus on Bond 26". Correct me if I'm wrong.

    But to be honest, I find your approach a bit....cynical. Like.....you don't mind Mendes' return if they turn that into a full-scale sequel to "SPECTRE". I think Mendes deserves a bit more credit than that. And although you don't really believe in Bond 25 becoming a masterpiece, equalling "Casino Royale", I think at this stage it's too early to feel negative about the current Bond 25 production.....or in your case...too early to feel.....indifferent.

    Like I said:
    But look on the bright side: I don't mind another Sam Mendes-like Bond film in which character development and cinematography are still very important pillars of the good film.

    Just add a bit more pro-active and logical thinking when it comes to writing a good story treatment and screenplay, and in the process improve a bit on elements like humour and action a la Steven Soderbergh. And et voila.....Bond 25 might as well become another timeless classic. Just have a little faith, don't think too black-and-white (because there are more roads leading to Rome).

  • NSGWNSGW London
    edited November 2017 Posts: 299
    Denis Villeneuve and George Miller are the two names mentioned here that excite me the most. Mendes would keep things consistent and I'm sure he would deliver something closer to SF than SP if he returned, but with another long gap between films I would much rather have someone who hasn't done Bond before if only for the sake of variety. I would be curious to see what Mendes would do if he was only given a much smaller budget this time around though, I think it would work in his favour. Only thing that would really bother me is the prospect of another Newman score.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    edited November 2017 Posts: 732
    barryt007 wrote: »
    On the other hand, despite some good moments, I don't think I will ever again watch SPECTRE all the way through.
    Me neither. I really, really like some moments in it (PTS, Q-scenes in his lab + Solden, Mr.White, Rome, L'americain scenes) but that's about it: I *have to* skip the titles and everything past L'americain because I can't stand it ... I'd watch MR's ending anytime before I watch the mentioned scenes of SP again.

    Just because of SP I sincerely hope Mendes won't return. (I like SF alot though and don't mind any plot holes or whatsoever ... but Mendes was DONE after it).

    Please, please bring in any other director. Please. Pretty Please. Ah - and don't bring back Newman, too! His SP soundtrack is nothing but insulting no matter who told him to recycle his SF soundtrack. The only thing he delivered was the PTS music.

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    NSGW wrote: »
    Denis Villeneuve and George Miller are the two names mentioned here that excite me the most. Mendes would keep things consistent and I'm sure he would deliver something closer to SF than SP if he returned, but with another long gap between films I would much rather have someone who hasn't done Bond before if only for the sake of variety. I would be curious to see what Mendes would do if he was only given a much smaller budget this time around though, I think it would work in his favour. Only thing that would really bother me is the prospect of another Newman score.

    That is worrying me as well....the score in SP was awful,and bloody lazy.,,,bordering on arrogance and over-confidence,which is a feeling I get about the whole SP production.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @Gustav_Graves. I'd greatly appreciate it if you would concentrate on delivering your own opinion on where you want the franchise to go rather than passing comments on other member's points of view. We are all entitled to express ourselves in the way we see fit here, as long as we are not insulting other members. You don't have the monopoly on 'tone' setting on this forum.

    You may find my approach cynical and that is your right. However, I'm not going to change the manner in which I comment in order to appease your perceptions of my perspective.
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