DAD's Jinx spinoff movie - New Details Emerge

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  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Q's cats have more chances to be featured in a spinoff series than Jinx.

    Well you say that but the truth is this crime against humanity got within a mosquito's erection of being greenlit.

    So it makes you wonder if EON really do have a clue what they're doing.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Q's cats have more chances to be featured in a spinoff series than Jinx.

    And they'd probably be better actors and more interesting characters to boot!
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Q's cats have more chances to be featured in a spinoff series than Jinx.

    And they'd probably be better actors and more interesting characters to boot!

    In all honesty I think I'd rather watch an animated film featuring Q's cats combatting Blofeld's cat.
  • edited December 2015 Posts: 38
    If there had been Jinx films do you think EON would have had Bond make 'guest appearances' in them?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Q's cats have more chances to be featured in a spinoff series than Jinx.

    And they'd probably be better actors and more interesting characters to boot!

    In all honesty I think I'd rather watch an animated film featuring Q's cats combatting Blofeld's cat.
    I believe that's already a thing. ;)
  • Posts: 15,124
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Q's cats have more chances to be featured in a spinoff series than Jinx.

    And they'd probably be better actors and more interesting characters to boot!

    Better stories too!
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Q's cats have more chances to be featured in a spinoff series than Jinx.

    Well you say that but the truth is this crime against humanity got within a mosquito's erection of being greenlit.

    So it makes you wonder if EON really do have a clue what they're doing.

    I wonder how serious anyone ever was about Jinx's spinoff series. We mainly heard about it when DAD was being promoted and I think only Tamahori and Halle Berry were enthusiastic about it.
  • Posts: 2,491
    The day they start a spin-off from the movies is the day I stop caring.

    I hope we continue having the Bond we all know and love without any type of exhibitions (including gay black female teenage fat psychic Bond)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited December 2015 Posts: 18,281
    Let's face it - they can barely get a new Bond film out every three years so how on Earth would they cope with a very superfluous other character spin-off film series as well?! 8-|
  • Posts: 15,124
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Let's face it - they can barely get a new Bond film out every three years so how on Earth would they cope with a very superfluous other character spin-off film series as well?! 8-|

    Yes spinoffs are for "lighter" franchises. Marvel can go with them because the whole source material is made of spinoff and crossovers.
  • I’m in complete agreement with everyone here. A Jinx spinoff, based solely off her character in DAD, would have been woeful. However, what really piqued my interest were the comments that have been made by the parties involved. My understanding is that the script gave the producers inspiration to make CR, there were even comments that many of the ideas that made their way into CR were lifted from the Jinx script. Which I find fascinating.

    There were other interesting comments from P&W in the book. In particular that the Bond of their script in CR would seemingly have been younger. Initially the idea was that the film’s opening would have seen Bond as a backpacker (or at least posing as one) in Madagascar. He would then have a card game with a character called Two Finger (who was inspired by Lord Lucan) before the Parkour chase.

    Even more interesting are the comments that the CR script was initially tailored for Brosnan. The plan was to make a tougher, grittier and edgier film with him. This was something that Brosnan had been promised but apparently he upset the producers with his salary demands.
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    I find it unlikely that they were so inspired with Jinx that they used some of its script for CR. And how far did they go with the spinoff idea anyway?

    And someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the fate of Brosnan was sealed when they decided to go for CR?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited December 2015 Posts: 45,489
    They first wanted to make a fifth Brosnan film in the same vein as DAD, but they found themselves in script hell (no wonder) and the salary negotiations dragged on for over a year, which is ridiculous.

    The Jinx script did get everyone excited, but other major films with female leads had flopped, so the studio got cold feet. Pierce2Daniel is right that several of the elements from the Jinx script found their way to CR, when they decided to go for that instead.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Yes, I recall Brosnan saying in 2004/5 that he would be on-board to make a tougher kind of James Bond film with Casino Royale so he certainly must have been considered at some stage before his age and possibly his salary demands served to put him out of the running for the lead Bond role in the film.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    I'm no expert but I think people really underestimate how close we came to getting this.

    From what I know everyone at EON thought this was a great idea and the script had been through several drafts and things were getting quite advanced and it was only someone with a bit of intelligence at the studio refusing to bankroll it that saved us from this abomination.

  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    Interesting new details can be found about this project in the book 'Some Kind of Hero':

    - Jinx would have worked for a think-tank, ride a motorbike and do "odd jobs for the NSA".
    - Jinx would have a lover called Javier, whom Javier Bardem was sought to play.
    - There would be shoot-up in a Moroccoan tannery.
    - P&W describe it as a "down and dirty version of a Bond movie"
    - It would have been an "atmospheric, Euro-thriller", akin to the Bourne films.
    - Tamahori wanted to direct but Stephen Frears agreed because he "loved Halle".
    - It would have been a $80-90m production
    - The script is described a being a bridge to what eventually became CR

    I'm sold!

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    A Jinx film would of been a disaster, just like Halle Berry's attempt at Catwoman.

    The name Jinx, gives it away, as to what would of happened to this film if it had been made.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited December 2015 Posts: 18,281
    Interesting new details can be found about this project in the book 'Some Kind of Hero':

    - Jinx would have worked for a think-tank, ride a motorbike and do "odd jobs for the NSA".
    - Jinx would have a lover called Javier, whom Javier Bardem was sought to play.
    - There would be shoot-up in a Moroccoan tannery.
    - P&W describe it as a "down and dirty version of a Bond movie"
    - It would have been an "atmospheric, Euro-thriller", akin to the Bourne films.
    - Tamahori wanted to direct but Stephen Frears agreed because he "loved Halle".
    - It would have been a $80-90m production
    - The script is described a being a bridge to what eventually became CR

    I'm sold!

    11313574_1517757595183234_538050229_n.jpg

    ^ Well one good thing to come out of a Jinx spin-off is how it would help with the government's drive for increased literacy - i.e. "1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2" etc.
  • The Ajay Cowdhury books really made me interested in reading the Jinx script.

    Is there any way to get it?
  • The Ajay Cowdhury books really made me interested in reading the Jinx script.

    Is there any way to get it?

    If you live in LA then apparently it's here

    http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/c8pz5bbw/entire_text/

    I don't think it's online anywhere. I'd also really like to read it.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    The one virtue that the idea of a Jinx spinoff had, the one and only virtue, is that instead of whining about how there should be a female James Bond, they just decided to create their own new character and not ruin an existing one.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Eon really didn't consider a female Bond, though. That's just the outcry of click-bait media administering tabloids.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Eon really didn't consider a female Bond, though. That's just the outcry of click-bait media administering tabloids.

    Oh yes, of course. I just mean to point out that the spinoff idea is better than ruining the character, like some SJWs want.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Eon really didn't consider a female Bond, though. That's just the outcry of click-bait media administering tabloids.

    Oh yes, of course. I just mean to point out that the spinoff idea is better than ruining the character, like some SJWs want.
    Definitely. Can't argue with that.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Jinx is terrible. Her only redeeming quality is her breasts!
  • DikkoHendersonDikkoHenderson Daniel Craig at the plastic surgery clinic- "Gently my friend Gently... THAT'S NOT BLOODY GENTLY!!"
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    I find DAD far from the worst Bond movie, in fact I find it one of the most entertaining (but not in my top favorites) but the character of Jinx is not fit for her own movie nevertheless I wonder to myself what this spin off would be like? I would like it to have the same over the top tone as DAD itself, lets give it a traditional Bondian title and opening sequence?

    My chosen title for the movie would be "Feast Like There's No Tomorrow", and the theme could be by any techno artist, don't care who, with audio clips of Jinx's lines put into the song. Maybe even have Halle Berry sing the opening theme, I don't know if she has singing talent but she probably does. Music score by David Arnold of course. Bring back Michael Madsen (if he is not in the moment suffering a drug relapse), but no James Bond cameo, let the movie stand mostly on its own.

    Maybe Bond 25 can introduce a female side character that can catch on with audiences, and provide a true spin off potential. That would be a most preferable option, rather than tarnishing the legacy of James Bond by recasting him as a woman (which would only be for trendy, political reasons).
  • Posts: 7,653
    We get "Red Sparrow"shortly I am curious about this spy series.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I want Bond. I don't want a sidekick, or a tough chick, or, worse "Bond's Equal".. Give me a traditional Bond Girl.

    A bird with decent tits as the main Bond girl.
    Another bird with slightly bigger tits as the secondary Bond girl to be bumped off/femme fatale.
    A few birds knocking about in minor roles (tit size variable).
    A middle aged mentalist who wants to cause global mayhem and kill loads of people.
    A big unit of a bloke who's handy.

    And Bond. On his own shagging/fighting (delete as applicable) his way through the lot of them.

    It ain't rocket science.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    We get "Red Sparrow"shortly I am curious about this spy series.

    I demand Red Sparrow is male next time.
  • Posts: 19,339
    The Ajay Cowdhury books really made me interested in reading the Jinx script.

    Is there any way to get it?

    Quite a few scenes were put into CR I believe.
    The airport scene being one of them.

  • edited February 2018 Posts: 4,409
    I don’t think the idea was to ever take the Jinx character as presented in DAD and make a spin-off based solely off that. I believe the plan was to simply launch a spy/action franchise with Halle Berry in the lead. It would obviously have been the same character, but only tangentially linked to DAD, as the films were tonally meant to be hugely different.

    Berry was a big star back in 2002. She had just won an Academy Award and was getting a massive degree of media attention. So it made sense that EON, not only wanted her to play the female lead in a Bond film, but also lead her own series.
    This was also around the same time the Bourne films were getting big. The plan was always to produce a $70-80 million gritty spy series with Berry. They wanted Stephen Frears to direct and it was supposedly a pretty good script (it even had Javier Bardem attached!).

    However, it was canned after Berry’s star began to quickly diminish. I think her hideous performance in DAD played a role in that, as did Catwoman. Other female-led action films around the same time also underperformed (Aeon Flux and Charlie’s Angles 2), so MGM asked EON to refocus their attention on Bond.

    Apparently, this vexed Barbara as she liked the script for Jinx. But P&W decided to lift a lot of ideas from the script and used them in Casino Royale…..which fascinates me. As a Jinx film (based off what we saw in DAD is a terrible idea) but CR was a great film, though much of that greatness came from Paul Haggis/Martin Campbell.
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