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Wow, this Guy is clearly out of touch with espionage and how Ian Fleming intended bond to be. Dude dad was garbage, I often wonder if the writers were ON LSD while writing this thrash. Ian Fleming would have probably threw up 10 x while watching dad if be were alive today. Roger Moore just made a mockery out of Bond, I just watched a view to a kill and I had to shut it off, it's a comedy. Then at the end where Roger Moore was hanging off a firetruck was the most absurd thing ever. Thank heavens we have Daniel Craig now, he's by far the most realistic bond and the closest bond formula Ian Fleming intended.
=)) DAD is more Flemingesque than CR '06 ! Brosnan's very Flemingesque performance in that film elevates the film a million miles higher than the horrible CR. Oh, and what Fleming intended Bond to be is the polar opposite of Craig's CR. TMWTGG is the closest film to Fleming's intention.
Eh ? Brosnan's perfomance in DAD is very Flemingesque ! It's Craig that is the furthest of Fleming's Bond.
Have you read the novels recently ? Neither CR'06 or Craig are anywhere close Fleming. TMWTGG is the closest to Fleming, Yes FRWL, TB and OHMSS are very Flemingesque, but they don't beat TMWTGG. And DAF is also quite Flemingesque. And DAD thanks to Brosnan's performance. All in my opinion of course.
Well Fleming apparently hated DN when he first saw it. As for Royale its certainly the best film since GE. In fact I'd argue that without GE we wouldn't have had Royale in its final form.
CR is a very good film generally... it's just a very, very bad Bond film, and very Un-Bondian and un-Fleming.
I really like CR although I've heard some people (include fans well versed in Fleming) say the same thing (*cough*Shark*cough*). I've read comments saying it "adds in a bunch of noise and dumbs down the emotional ordeal"
But it definitely strips away the cartooney elements that had plagued DAD and for that it can only be closer to Fleming IMO.
I have indeed read the books, many moons ago, and recall the examples that I've given as distinctly following the fictional template. It's immaterial whether Fleming liked or disliked Dr No because it's really never been proven either way. Of course he was vocal about Connery's casting but that quickly changed after seeing him in the role according to press reports at the time.
Would Fleming have approved of GE, DAD, TWINE or TND if he had lived to see them? Of course not. Why? Because they're poorly written Americanised cartoons that resemble a vague idea he once had in the 1950's. Though CR doesn't strictly follow its short source material too closely, it indeed expands on it in a way Bond fans haven't seen since the early days when Bond had balls and not just pecuniary style. For that reason CR is the modern template on how to adapt a Fleming novel and not TMWTGG.
Aaargh!! It's one of my favourite Bond movies. I'm sure Brosnan would have been more convincing in a fight than the rumoured choice by Fleming - David Niven.
The Americanisation really began with LTK anyway ;)
I actually quite like certain parts of TMWTGG and don't dislike it like some members here seem to do. However, the "solex agitator" isn't in the novel, and Felix Leiter and Bond's presence in Jamaica are missing from the film along with Bond's attempt at killing M with a cyanide pistol. I also have a soft spot for DAF which is certainlly not at the bottom of the pile for me. That honour is held by every single Brosnan entry.
It is indeed, dude. Though I know I'm not alone with regards to GE. It certainly gets higher praise than it's certainly due. Must have something to do with being the first Bond film you saw as a kid or something.
And you're chiseling the square to fit the round hole, DC.
PS. Back on topic, DAD sure is a stinker of a movie....
Yes it does but it's also a thoroughly entertaining flick with a rock solid supporting cast and some cracking, well directed action.
I have a soft spot for it. It's lightyears ahead of Brozza's other films quality wise too.
The rest was drivel and a waste of $125 million. Possibly the one positive that emerged from the dreadfulness of it was that it refocussed minds and directed the bond path towards the magnificent Casino Royale.
Having said that everyone is more than entitled to their opinion, if you're deluded enough to think DAD is better than CR then go for it.
As I said before, I'm not saying it's a shit but let's say that It isn't in my top 20 Bond films...
What´s wrong with the surf scene? That shows how inventive Bond is.
Even if that ain´t Flemingesque, it feels like something that you only see in a Bond film.
For me, it becomes Bondesque instead.