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If you could lose a few movies in the franchise, which films would you leave out?

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  • 6of16of1
    Posts: 63
    God knows there are few I could do without. Yet I wouldn't like a single one, any single one, missing from the series. Even the abominations serve their own purpose. And even the worst do have enjoyable moments, memorable scenes that simply justify the whole effort.

    No, I have to have them all.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    Posts: 6,432
    GF, TMWTGG, TND, TWINE, DAD. Simply because these are movie's i struggle to watch all the way through.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    fire_and_ice wrote:
    GF, TMWTGG, TND, TWINE, DAD. Simply because these are movie's i struggle to watch all the way through.

    I think this is a good way to determine whether you prefer one Bond movie to another, strictly by if you can make it through the average 2 hour run-time AND enjoy it while watching. This is what makes me put movies like Dr. No, Goldfinger, You Only Live Twice, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and Die Another Day towards the bottom.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited April 2012 Posts: 5,767
    Now that Craig has done two Bond movies I find that Brosnan sticks out by not carrying the films, so I would leave those out. Or maybe better keep them in a parallel Bondiverse, after all I like them as films, they just don´t fit in so nicely with the rest of the Bond films. Of the other films I wouldn´t leave out any one of them.
  • BounineBounine
    Posts: 2,598
    I really believe that the Brosnan films tarnish the franchise and Brosnan himself is not a good Bond by any means. He's only a mediocre actor at best.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Bounine wrote:
    I really believe that the Brosnan films tarnish the franchise and Brosnan himself is not a good Bond by any means. He's only a mediocre actor at best.

    Tarnish the franchise? I really can't agree here, if anything, Brosnan is the one who SAVED the series from the long 6 year gap and made the 007 series relevant again since the end of the Cold War and the start of the new century and millenium. His movies introduced a whole new group of people to the Bond world, inlcuding myself. Such movies like GoldenEye, Tomorrow Never Dies, and The World is not Enough are stone-cold Bond classics.
  • Nuke_MillerNuke_Miller
    Posts: 1
    I wouldn't say I would leave a Bond film out, but I would definitely say that having an actual squeal to a Bond film is a bad idea......That and having Daniel Craig, Tim Dalton or George Lazenby as Bond....
  • BounineBounine
    edited April 2012 Posts: 2,598
    00Beast wrote:
    Bounine wrote:
    I really believe that the Brosnan films tarnish the franchise and Brosnan himself is not a good Bond by any means. He's only a mediocre actor at best.

    Tarnish the franchise? I really can't agree here, if anything, Brosnan is the one who SAVED the series from the long 6 year gap and made the 007 series relevant again since the end of the Cold War and the start of the new century and millenium. His movies introduced a whole new group of people to the Bond world, inlcuding myself. Such movies like GoldenEye, Tomorrow Never Dies, and The World is not Enough are stone-cold Bond classics.

    Glad you like them 00Beast. I wish I did too. :) Obviously no films can be dropped as every one has different ideas as to what makes a good Bond film but if I was the only person in the world, I'd drop the Brosnan ones and maybe QOS.

  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    Bounine wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Bounine wrote:
    I really believe that the Brosnan films tarnish the franchise and Brosnan himself is not a good Bond by any means. He's only a mediocre actor at best.

    Tarnish the franchise? I really can't agree here, if anything, Brosnan is the one who SAVED the series from the long 6 year gap and made the 007 series relevant again since the end of the Cold War and the start of the new century and millenium. His movies introduced a whole new group of people to the Bond world, inlcuding myself. Such movies like GoldenEye, Tomorrow Never Dies, and The World is not Enough are stone-cold Bond classics.

    Glad you like them 00Beast. I wish I did too. :) Obviously no films can be dropped as every one has different ideas as to what makes a good Bond film but if I was the only person in the world, I'd drop the Brosnan ones and maybe QOS.

    Dropping the Brosnan movies is not even on my radar. I could drop other actors movies so that Brosnan could have made at least 6 or 7.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,161
    I'm fond in some way of all the films and therefore can't imagine I'd drop any of them.
  • actonsteveactonsteve
    Posts: 1,492
    The Brosnan era is the only ones I would get rid.

    He may have kept the franchise going but they were poor quality stuff.
  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
    Posts: 2,635
    actonsteve wrote:
    The Brosnan era is the only ones I would get rid.

    He may have kept the franchise going but they were poor quality stuff.

    Pity to see you don't like Brosnan :/
  • actonsteveactonsteve
    Posts: 1,492
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    actonsteve wrote:
    The Brosnan era is the only ones I would get rid.

    He may have kept the franchise going but they were poor quality stuff.

    Pity to see you don't like Brosnan :/

    I have no problems with him as a person and his Bond is pretty unmemorable but his films IMO got progressively worse.

  • X3MSonicXX3MSonicX https://www.behance.net/gallery/86760163/Fa-Posteres-de-007-No-Time-To-Die
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    actonsteve wrote:
    X3MSonicX wrote:
    actonsteve wrote:
    The Brosnan era is the only ones I would get rid.

    He may have kept the franchise going but they were poor quality stuff.

    Pity to see you don't like Brosnan :/

    I have no problems with him as a person and his Bond is pretty unmemorable but his films IMO got progressively worse.

    Yeah unfortunately i need to agree a bit. But these movies don't lose it's magic anyway, still very great movies.
  • VirageVirage
    Posts: 1,856
    I see world war III being started on this thread. :-S
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,161
    Virage wrote:
    I see world war III being started on this thread. :-S

    Craig in drag... that's the one where I felt a cosmically scaled war was immanent.
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    Posts: 6,432
    Brosnan was the weakest bond his movie's had poor directors excluding GE.
  • BounineBounine
    edited April 2012 Posts: 2,598
    When Brosnan delivers the one liners it's cringe worthy. He's so unnatural it's not funny. He would also over act at times. He had a flair for melodrama. I prefer Lazenby to Brosnan. Part of the reason his films did so well are because some attend Bond films for the novelty of it as they've been around for so long and the character is obviously iconic.
  • 007RogerMoore007RogerMoore
    Posts: 1,082
    It´s terrible to see all the Brosnan hate here. He was a really good Bond, who should have done atleast 5 movies.
  • Vancouver007Vancouver007
    Posts: 42
    Bounine wrote:
    When Brosnan delivers the one liners it's cringe worthy. He's so unnatural it's not funny. He would also over act at times. He had a flair for melodrama. I prefer Lazenby to Brosnan. Part of the reason his films did so well are because some attend Bond films for the novelty of it as they've been around for so long and the character is obviously iconic.

    I completely agree! Though at the time (GE, TND & TWINE era) I didn't think so. It wasn't until DAD and the reboot with DC that I realized how campy most of the Brosnan movies are and how bad of a Bond actor he is. Even his first "Bond, James Bond" in the casino is forced and so unnatural that I cover my face in embarrassment when it's on. Why he never played the role like the style of Thomas Crown or Tailor of Panama is beyond me.... Had he done that and some better scripts were written who knows how much better the movies may have been!

    Having said that, every Bond movie has moments I enjoy (even DAD) and though I'm not a fan of the Brosnan era I have to agree with some that he got the Bond wheels moving again. I wouldn't say he "saved" the franchise but he elevated it (strictly in terms of popularity and box office returns) to a consistent level that the movies had not been at since the early 80's. However, we now have an actor and a production team that is delivering substance and getting its returns so we're living in good times (in Bond history)... lets hope it continues.

    To answer the post.... if I had a gun to my head (and this list changes every time I watch the movies again) I'd choose: DAF, MR, AVTAK and DAD.
  • BounineBounine
    edited April 2012 Posts: 2,598
    Yeah, Brosnan acts better in other films but in Bond he sounds like a droid. Strange. It's like how Faulks and Deaver write good books (not that's not fair, Faulks writes excellent books) but as soon as they write Bond we get a disappointing result. Actually, I wouldn't go so far as to say Brosnan's acting is "good" in non Bond films but it's better than when he played Bond.

    Yes, I like the PTS in GE and TND and Arnold's cue "White Knight" that accompanies the PTS in the latter. I like the scene between Paris and Bond in his hotel room in TND even though Brosnan over acted during the part when he was standing facing Hatcher. There were a few scenes prior to Bond meeting Q in DAD that I found relatively enjoyable too. I'd still drop the Brosnan films though as for the most part they are bad films in my opinion and I think with another actor and better dialogue we could have had four much better Bond movies.
  • GeorgeLazenbyGeorgeLazenby
    Posts: 295
    LTK, GE, TND, TWINE and DAD

    These are the ones I quite literally have left out in as much as I don't have them in my DVD collection because, quite frankly, I think they're all crap.
  • saunderssaunders Living in a world of avarice and deceit
    Posts: 987
    While I'd readily admit that some of the films are well below standard they are still all part of the rich cinematic 007 history and I would be loathed to lose any of them despite their failings. Even the weakest, feeblest and most stupidest efforts of the series contain enough tiny elements of pure Bond quality to justify their existence...DAD not withstanding of course!
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Glad to see you're back, saunders !! :)
  • saunderssaunders Living in a world of avarice and deceit
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    Thanks @DaltonCraig007, it's very nice to be back and even better to be remembered (hopefully for the right reasons) :)
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    GeorgeLazenby wrote:
    LTK, GE, TND, TWINE and DAD

    These are the ones I quite literally have left out in as much as I don't have them in my DVD collection because, quite frankly, I think they're all crap.

    Licence To Kill is as bad as Brosnan's films?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited April 2012 Posts: 12,480
    Honestly I would keep them all; there are at least some nice moments in every Bond film. If I had to really cut any out it would be: AVTAK only.
    And I would definsitely keep all of Brosnan's. I love his Bond - and there are a few (granted a few, not many) good scenes even in DAD. GE and TND are my fav of his films.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    NicNac wrote:
    This thread is living, breathing proof of why Bond has lasted this long.

    Simply because the franchise is a varied and ever changing animal offering laughs and tears, breath-taking action and moments of reflection, hard boiled violence and double taking pigeons.

    How can we possibly want a single minute removed, because it would upset the balance of a diverse collection of films that make up a quite remarkable cannon?

    Eon have acknowledged mistakes and learned by them. They have moved on, changed the shape of the next film and taken Bond in a different direction. We can see it all unravel in front of us, and we can understand and appreciate why they do what they do.

    The secret to Eon's success? Not to take a blind bit of notice of the Bond fanatics - us. Because if they listened to us the series would be dead in the water within a few years, as we demand period peice Bond dramas or the return of a 60 something Timothy Dalton, or a Bond film akin to a John Le Carre novel.

    Eon aim for the mass market, make the films for the cinema-going audience. And guess what? We still remain fans, chuntering and complaining but still buying the tickets (more than once of course). They know that. Bond will survive because we the true fans can never agree about what we want so Eon do the right thing - ignore us.

    I like your points; well put.
  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    Bounine wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    Bounine wrote:
    I really believe that the Brosnan films tarnish the franchise and Brosnan himself is not a good Bond by any means. He's only a mediocre actor at best.

    Tarnish the franchise? I really can't agree here, if anything, Brosnan is the one who SAVED the series from the long 6 year gap and made the 007 series relevant again since the end of the Cold War and the start of the new century and millenium. His movies introduced a whole new group of people to the Bond world, inlcuding myself. Such movies like GoldenEye, Tomorrow Never Dies, and The World is not Enough are stone-cold Bond classics.

    Glad you like them 00Beast. I wish I did too. :) Obviously no films can be dropped as every one has different ideas as to what makes a good Bond film but if I was the only person in the world, I'd drop the Brosnan ones and maybe QOS.

    No trouble, @Bounine! And I do agree that none really can be dropped, because something will be lacking from the franchise and someone will be upset about a favorite Bond movie missing from their collection.
  • Goldeneye95Goldeneye95
    Posts: 546
    I love all the Bond films. But if I had to choose which one I could live without...It would be A View to a Kill.
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