Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Well that's because his other roles have had a supernatural/fantasy element, or been set in another period, not modern day.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    The criticisms of Turner looking too ethnic or dirty are ludicrous. Photos can be found of all of the Bond actors where they don't look their polished best.

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    That's from And Then There Were None, right? Luckily for Turner he looks better (or more Bondian if you like) in other pictures from that series.

    Without that series nobody would be talking about him as Bond.

    I think you are right about that.

    Much like Layer Cake did for Craig.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    The criticisms of Turner looking too ethnic or dirty are ludicrous. Photos can be found of all of the Bond actors where they don't look their polished best.

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    That's from And Then There Were None, right? Luckily for Turner he looks better (or more Bondian if you like) in other pictures from that series.

    Without that series nobody would be talking about him as Bond.

    I think you are right about that.

    Much like Layer Cake did for Craig.

    No Craig Screamed Bond in Lara Croft, Haha. :D
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    talos7 wrote: »
    The criticisms of Turner looking too ethnic or dirty are ludicrous. Photos can be found of all of the Bond actors where they don't look their polished best.

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    Agreed. I don't think he looks foreign apart from the hair which can be straightened out.

    He can clean up as good as the next chap and I think he looks just fine in that photo above, as well as in the associated film. That doesn't mean I advocate for him being cast, although I'm not entirely against it either.
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    Well that's because his other roles have had a supernatural/fantasy element, or been set in another period, not modern day.

    No it's because he wears a tux and he plays an English stereotype. Not badly, but he was not outstanding.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I think Turner looks like Dalton there... and Dalton had an amazing look.
  • RC7RC7
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Well that's because his other roles have had a supernatural/fantasy element, or been set in another period, not modern day.

    No it's because he wears a tux and he plays an English stereotype. Not badly, but he was not outstanding.

    A perfect summation.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    It’s all subjective isn’t it ? And dismissing a candidate because they made a car or cologne advertisement or looks good in a tuxedo is disingenuous when the implication is that it is their only qualification.
    I think Turner deserves a screentest, and not just because he wears a tux and has played an “English stereotype”.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    talos7 wrote: »
    It’s all subjective isn’t it ?

    Some have difficulty appreciating artistic subjectivity.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    If i remember correctly, Turner played an Irishman in And Then There Were None.
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    If i remember correctly, Turner played an Irishman in And Then There Were None.

    Yeah, an Irish mercenary called Lombard.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    It’s all subjective isn’t it ?

    Some have difficulty appreciating artistic subjectivity.

    Really? How about you? You seem to forget it outside of Turner.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    What movie has Turner, or many of the candidates mentioned carried on their own.
    Turner has limited movie presence at best. It's unlikely the studio will trust an actor with one of the biggest roles in cinema without proving they can do it already.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Benny wrote: »
    What movie has Turner, or many of the candidates mentioned carried on their own.
    Turner has limited movie presence at best. It's unlikely the studio will trust an actor with one of the biggest roles in cinema without proving they can do it already.

    Prior to Casino Royale, what movie did Craig carry on his own?
    Presumptively speaking only for U.S. film goers, I would say the overwhelming majority did not know Daniel Craig by name. If shown a picture they may have said. ' I've seen him in something, but I don't know who he is'. With the possible exception of the UK. don't think it would have been any different world wide

  • edited August 2018 Posts: 17,756
    Benny wrote: »
    What movie has Turner, or many of the candidates mentioned carried on their own.
    Turner has limited movie presence at best. It's unlikely the studio will trust an actor with one of the biggest roles in cinema without proving they can do it already.

    The casting isn't happening yet, so any likely candidate (be it Turner, Norton, someone not mentioned here, you name it) still has time to do a lesser budget action film or series or something.

    As a slight side note: A lot of interesting stuff is being produced by Netflix, Amazon etc., so maybe a future candidate will make his name known through a streaming service rather than a straight-to-DVD/selected cinemas title.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Benny wrote: »
    What movie has Turner, or many of the candidates mentioned carried on their own.
    Turner has limited movie presence at best. It's unlikely the studio will trust an actor with one of the biggest roles in cinema without proving they can do it already.

    The casting isn't happening yet, so any likely candidate (be it Turner, Norton, someone not mentioned here, you name it) still has time to do a lesser budget action film or series or something.

    As a slight side note: A lot of interesting stuff is being produced by Netflix, Amazon etc., so maybe a future candidate will make his name known through a streaming service rather than a straight-to-DVD/selected cinemas title.

    Very true.

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    The Mother, Enduring Love, Sylvia and of course Layer Cake.
    If you read my posts before, CR being an origin story called for a relative in known.
    But Craig had been the lead before CR.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Being a lead doesn't necessarily mean that you are well known. I'm a very active filmgoer and have never heard of The Mother, Enduring Love or Sylvia
    I agree that in choosing the next Bond the current state of the industry will probably dictate that someone with a higher profile.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I didn't say he was well known though.
    I said he'd had experience playing a lead before Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    What movie has Turner, or many of the candidates mentioned carried on their own.
    Turner has limited movie presence at best. It's unlikely the studio will trust an actor with one of the biggest roles in cinema without proving they can do it already.

    The casting isn't happening yet, so any likely candidate (be it Turner, Norton, someone not mentioned here, you name it) still has time to do a lesser budget action film or series or something.

    As a slight side note: A lot of interesting stuff is being produced by Netflix, Amazon etc., so maybe a future candidate will make his name known through a streaming service rather than a straight-to-DVD/selected cinemas title.

    Very true.
    +1. There's still time for one of these many hopefuls to do something interesting in film, either critically or box office wise. Turner has that Poldark thing doesn't he? I think he's quite popular in that, even though I've not seen it myself.

    I think they'll look for fit and acting ability first and foremost. The box office will come if they deliver a decent film. Every Bond actor to date (except perhaps Dalton and Lazzer) has had a massive smash to their name, so EON don't have any concerns on that front. Bond is the brand. They just need an actor that fits their proposed direction, and then they go from there.
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    Benny wrote: »
    I didn't say he was well known though.
    I said he'd had experience playing a lead before Bond.
    True. But will you concede that those 3 movies didn’t prove that Craig could carry the role of James Bond either, especially as they made zero impact at the B.O on both sides of the Atlantic.

    I agree with @bondjames that if they deliver a decent film then the box office will come.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Aidan Turner plays Sam Elliots younger self in "The Man Who Killed Hitler And Then The Bigfoot."

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    Surprisingly, The Man Who Killed ... has got an 89% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    It’s all subjective isn’t it ? And dismissing a candidate because they made a car or cologne advertisement or looks good in a tuxedo is disingenuous when the implication is that it is their only qualification.
    I think Turner deserves a screentest, and not just because he wears a tux and has played an “English stereotype”.

    You're building a strawman. I'm not dismissing him for it. Heck when I saw ATTWN I thought he could be a potential James Bond. But let's keep a bit of perspective here: the role of Philip Lombard shows that he can look the part (although he was a bit youthful then) not that he can play it.

    But yes at least it's not a Cologne advert: Turner actually played a character with a psychology, tastes, motivations and even a few good lines.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    From all the names that Have been mentioned, I can see no one as suitable as Aidan Turner for the role. Why? Because he ticks just about every box. He is a move back towards the traditional look, and a venture into new territory AT THE SAME TIME. I think this will satisfy the purists and the loony lefties looking for more diversity ~Or at least they can both take it as a victory~ Let's not bother with deciding on the relative merits of the Craig Bond here, but instead simply say that Bond has been the same way, good or bad, for a long time. You can hardily expect any different, it was the same when Moore was cranking them out. You cannot avoid a staleness or a saminess for setting in, it just happens. I have always said the perfect replacement for Craig would be someone gregarious and outgoing. People have long noted the similarity between Dalton and Craig, and if Dalton was the perfect counter to the Moore romping years, then another showman like Moore (or Brozza) should prove the perfect replacement to Craig, no? This is where Aidan Turner has a great strength. While he may be bashful, he never gets annoyed or combative with press, he maintains a relaxed, cheery demeanour at all times. Even when he is pressed into awkward question from the tabloids, he plays it off with a laugh and a joke.
    So we established he has a strength outside of acting, but what about in the role itself? Well for starters, he is ofcourse the right height, age, right hair colour, not too famous, excetera, excetera. But can we see any insight as to how he would approach the role, and take on becoming James Bond himself? Well, In my opinion Turner has a darkness to him, in his aura. Watch Poldark, watch And Then There Were None, and it's something he plays with over and over. He has the "dark hero" or "anti-heroic" role pretty much nailed down at this point. I was surprised with my recent viewing of Desolation of Smaug to find that he played it differently, more honest and pure. Aidan Turner characters, most of the time, feel like they have a dark past filled with bad experiences and it is often proven the case. Does this remind us of anyone? James Bond. So Turner is has a darkness, but he is also going to be much more capable of playing the comic, the cheery and the smooth. Basically the areas that Craig struggled with in SP. And the best part is that it has very little to do with his ability to act this way. You only have to look at his to see there is an edge, you only have to watch an interview to see the gregarious side, which is desperately needed for Bond. He simply has the personality traits, as well as the looks, features, body excetera which would make him the ideal candidate. What I see from the other guys, is that many are too famous (Tom Hardy), or slightly older (Fassbinder), or they don't have an aura (Henry Cavill IMO), or they are short (Jack Oconnoll), or they are too stereotypically English (Hiddleston). Aidan Turner is none of these, the worst complaints I see of him is that he is too baby-faced (he has 4 years to age still), too thin (I'd argue Bond should cut a slim figure, it's how I always imagined him in the books, but even then Aidan can gain a few pounds I'm sure, if it's essential) or not good enough of an actor or not a proven leading man quality (again, he has time, and having watched him closely through four seasons of Poldark, I can see him relaxing into it more and feeling more natural. Many saying this seem to be basing it on only a few clips they watch years ago and made up their mind). Craig did not have much leading man quality and what he did get HE GOT IN THE FOUR YEARS PRIOR to becoming Bond if I am correct? Most of the roles people associate with him winning the Bond job were in the 2002 - 2006 period. Bare in mind that the earliest we will get a new Bond is 2022, so Turner is on track and improving.

    I only hope that once Craig quits, we can stop labelling Turner as the boogeyman around here who is going to take the Job from Craig. Let's face if it's not him, someone else will do it. Craig can not be bond forever, I was heartbroken when Brosnan left, but there's nothing that can be done about it. So let's try and be a bit more fair and open-minded in future. Thank you.

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  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    People have long noted the similarity between Dalton and Craig

    Never could see this myself.

    They both play it straight, I agree, but where Dalton's Bond was fidgety, always on edge, and every thought and mood could be read on his face, Craig's Bond is more insular, holding his feelings back, quietly wrestling with his own demons.

    They don't play it the same at all, as far as I can see.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    NicNac wrote: »
    People have long noted the similarity between Dalton and Craig

    Never could see this myself.

    They both play it straight, I agree, but where Dalton's Bond was fidgety, always on edge, and every thought and mood could be read on his face, Craig's Bond is more insular, holding his feelings back, quietly wrestling with his own demons.

    They don't play it the same at all, as far as I can see.

    I agree, Dalton was always tense, whereas Craig has some of the Connery/Moore DNA of a guy trying to enjoy his life, food, drinks and women, while at the same time wrestling with some inner demons and the messy nature of his job. Craig has many moments throughout his movies, where you see him smiling and relaxed, i can't think of one in the Dalton films.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    The one that springs to mind is at the concert in Vienna when he seems quite relaxed with Kara.
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    NicNac wrote: »
    The one that springs to mind is at the concert in Vienna when he seems quite relaxed with Kara.

    After he shoots her dead.

    My top 3 candidates for screen-testing atm would be :

    1.Cavill
    2.Hiddleston
    3.Hardy

    Honourable mention to Fassbender and Hemsworth.
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    It's a big no from me regarding Henry Cavill.

    However, Tom Hardy is perfect for the role and Hiddleston is wholly inappropriate.

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    Also, why have we stopped talking about Michael Fassbender? He'd be my no.1 choice.

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    Also, if you give Kit Harrington a shave and a haircut, he could make a great young Bond

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    I even think Jamie Dornan has the look

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    Eon have a lot of options. I almost wish we were getting a Danny Boyle reboot opposed to another Craig movie.
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