No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • edited August 2018 Posts: 3,334
    Seriously? Okay. I will explain what I meant. Just for you. When it comes to the Oscars, reviews do matter, especially when it comes to Oscar chances to big spectacles such as Skyfall and M:I Fallout. So yes, metracritic scores DO have a relevance on the Oscars.
    Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me @PanchitoPistoles. I don’t know what I’d do without your astute observations and mystical insight into how the world works.

    On second thoughts, just for you, don’t bother.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    There should be a thread for this, yes! Somehow, I think there was ... at least for titles ... @DarthDimi?? @NicNac?? (Goldenshire, etc. - see my and Torgeirtrap's ramblings above). ;)
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    TripAces wrote: »
    FWIW:

    Google search for "James Bond": 68 million hits
    Google search for "Ethan Hunt": 4 million hits

    Ethan Hunt has a long, long way to go

    Indeed.

    Pretty much everyone knows who James Bond is, no matter their age, gendre, nationality and culture. Fewer people know who Hunt is.
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    Walecs wrote: »

    Indeed.

    Pretty much everyone knows who James Bond is, no matter their age, gendre, nationality and culture. Fewer people know who Hunt is.

    True. They'd only know the MISSION IMPOSSIBLE franchise name, and that Tom Cruise is in it. They may vaguely be aware that the films were based off a television series, but almost certainly would not know the series only existed because of Bondmania.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Well, just as long as they haven't replaced Grant with the forgettable Mr. Kil as inspiration. Lawrence Makoare was the last Maori henchman we had.

    I understand they want the henchman to be a real physical threat.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    RC7 wrote: »

    I don’t really see any significant evidence for that. The numbers it did were down to positive word of mouth and repeat viewings. The film itself did the heavy lifting.

    Fair enough and I agree with most of that but I'm also not convinced that the Olympics and the 50th anniversary weren't huge contributing factors; especially as I know for a fact that many people only saw the film for those reasons alone.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    There should be a thread for this, yes! Somehow, I think there was ... at least for titles ... @DarthDimi?? @NicNac?? (Goldenshire, etc. - see my and Torgeirtrap's ramblings above). ;)

    I’m sure you’re right. Get to it @DarthDimi
  • Posts: 11,425
    bondjames wrote: »
    Well, just as long as they haven't replaced Grant with the forgettable Mr. Kil as inspiration. Lawrence Makoare was the last Maori henchman we had.

    Exactly. “Maori henchman” = Die Another Day

    Not exciting or ground breaking in Bond terms.

    You do wonder sometimes whether the writers and directors have actually seen the more recent films. I got that sense with Mendes a lot. His belief that using the DB5 was somehow a novel new idea being an obvious example.

    Can only hope the Maori henchman is done better this time.



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    Are there places in New Zealand that could be an interesting (and likely) spot to film some scenes? No doubt there's a lot to choose from!

    Bond could be up against a Maori henchman anywhere in the world of course, but NZ would be an interesting location to use.
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    Getafix wrote: »

    Exactly. “Maori henchman” = Die Another Day

    Not exciting or ground breaking in Bond terms.

    You do wonder sometimes whether the writers and directors have actually seen the more recent films. I got that sense with Mendes a lot. His belief that using the DB5 was somehow a novel new idea being an obvious example.

    Can only hope the Maori henchman is done better this time.



    The fact that Mr Kil was a Maori was irrelevant to the character's and the movie's issues. It's like saying let's not have blonde Bond girls anymore because Miranda Frost was blonde.

    We had a lot of Grant clone henchmen, starting from YOLT. A second Maori henchman, this time a more fleshed out menace, I think I can live with that. And while I'm no fan of Danny Boyle and have my reservations about him, he's no Tamahori.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Ludovico wrote: »

    The fact that Mr Kil was a Maori was irrelevant to the character's and the movie's issues. It's like saying let's not have blonde Bond girls anymore because Miranda Frost was blonde.

    We had a lot of Grant clone henchmen, starting from YOLT. A second Maori henchman, this time a more fleshed out menace, I think I can live with that. And while I'm no fan of Danny Boyle and have my reservations about him, he's no Tamahori.
    I'm sure the new Maori will surpass the prior one. I mean really, how can he not? The bar is quite low, to say the least. I was just pointing out the coincidence earlier.

    Frankly I'm a bit surprised by the casting call focusing on nationalities. I mean, who cares really? Is it that relevant in an acting profession?

    As an example, Jeremy Irons, Matthias Schoenaerts, Charlotte Rampling and JLaw played the most convincing Russians I've seen on film this entire year in Red Sparrow, and none of them are from there. Schoenaerts in particular was brilliant and the spitting image (albeit taller) of the Russian president.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited August 2018 Posts: 3,157
    bondjames wrote: »
    Frankly I'm a bit surprised by the casting call focusing on nationalities. I mean, who cares really? Is it that relevant in an acting profession?

    Perhaps it is from a story point of view. You're right, you don't need to be Russian to play a Russian, but who knows? Perhaps they speak Russian at some point in the movie and the producers/Boyle want a realistic accent.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Walecs wrote: »

    Perhaps it is from a story point of view. You're right, you don't need to be Russian to play a Russian, but who knows? Perhaps they've got speak Russian at some point in the movie and the producers/Boyle want a realistic accent.
    Fair point.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 17,923
    Regarding nationalities, sure most people doesn't care about if the guy playing a Russian is Russian himself. I can understand that looking strange too; for example in The Snowman (which I've yet to watch), which is set in Norway, yet only features one Norwegian in the entire cast (that's credited, at least).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Regarding nationalities, sure most doesn't care about if the guy playing a Russian is Russian himself. I can understand that looking strange too; for example in The Snowman (which I've yet to watch), which is set in Norway, yet only features one Norwegian in the entire cast (that's credited, at least).
    I get your point. Sometimes when they insist on someone with a particular nationality being in a film it's because the film itself is being set in such location, and local content rules mandate a certain domestic inclusion.

    I hope that's the case, because I'd love to see a Bond film set in Moscow.
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    Personally if the locations are

    London
    Paris
    Moscow
    New Zealand

    I would be fine with that.... though is it just me or have the last two films been not as tropical as I would of liked... I mean Spectre was better then Skyfall (sorry I don’t care how the grey-ness of the film portrays the characters termoik it’s dark bland and not exciting to look at)

    Like I said we will learn more soon enough.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 17,923
    bondjames wrote: »
    I get your point. Sometimes when they insist on someone with a particular nationality being in a film it's because the film itself is being set in such location, and local content rules mandate a certain domestic inclusion.

    I hope that's the case, because I'd love to see a Bond film set in Moscow.
    That would be great. I guess the Russians aren't shy of trying to attract tourists over there, when there just was a World Cup there too.

    The strange thing with The Snowman, is that it filmed here, set here, yet features five Swedish actors! There's also - I think it was Shetland (the UK crime series) which had an episode partly set in Norway. Yet, for several of the Norwegian roles they had hired Swedish and Icelandic actors. They were supposed to speak Norwegian, something they weren't close to doing. Have only read about this, and not seen the episode myself.

    So, if they are looking for specific nationalities, that might have to do with dialogue, etc. - which should be somewhat close to how it's meant to be spoken.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    That would be great. I guess the Russians aren't shy of trying to attract tourists over there, when there just was a World Cup there too.

    The strange thing with The Snowman, is that it filmed here, set here, yet features five Swedish actors! There also - I think it was Shetland (the UK crime series) which had an episode partly set in Norway. Yet, for several of the Norwegian roles they've hired Swedish and Icelandic actors. They were supposed to speak Norwegian, something they weren't close to doing. Have only read about this, and not seen the episode myself.

    So, if they are looking for specific nationalities, that might have to do with dialogue, etc. - which should be somewhat close to how it's meant to be spoken.
    It's a great point you make about casting and accents.

    I'm not sure if you've seen the Angelina Jolie starring Taking Lives (2004). The film was meant to be set in Montreal, but they cast Frenchmen Tcheky Karyo and Olivier Martinez in prominent roles. Well, the French Canadian accent (even when speaking English) is quite different from the French one (I much prefer the latter, which has a nice flow to it), and it took me out of the film.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    It's a great point you make about casting and accents.

    I'm not sure if you've seen the Angelina Jolie starring Taking Lives (2004). The film was meant to be set in Montreal, but they cast Frenchmen Tcheky Karyo and Olivier Martinez in prominent roles. Well, the French Canadian accent (even when speaking English) is quite different from the French one (I much prefer the latter, which has a nice flow to it), and it took me out of the film.

    I haven't seen that film, but it's no surprise that the accent issue took you out of the film. It's probably only an issue for those who can't help but noticing it, but it's an issue worth addressing - if possible. If the focus on nationalities can address that, it's a positive.

    There is no doubt other reasons why they are so specific too.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883

    I haven't seen that film, but it's no surprise that the accent issue took you out of the film. It's probably only an issue for those who can't help but noticing it, but it's an issue worth addressing - if possible. If the focus on nationalities can address that, it's a positive.

    There is no doubt other reasons why they are so specific too.
    Yes, I agree. It makes sense.

    Taking Lives isn't bad though. Worth a watch.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm sure the new Maori will surpass the prior one. I mean really, how can he not? The bar is quite low, to say the least. I was just pointing out the coincidence earlier.

    Frankly I'm a bit surprised by the casting call focusing on nationalities. I mean, who cares really? Is it that relevant in an acting profession?

    As an example, Jeremy Irons, Matthias Schoenaerts, Charlotte Rampling and JLaw played the most convincing Russians I've seen on film this entire year in Red Sparrow, and none of them are from there. Schoenaerts in particular was brilliant and the spitting image (albeit taller) of the Russian president.

    The Bond franchise in recent years has gone for non British actors as villains which may explain why they are looking for a Russian to play a Russian. Although I don't think it's necessary and may not be possible I am very much in favor of the non British actors as villains trend.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 17,923
    bondjames wrote: »
    Yes, I agree. It makes sense.

    Taking Lives isn't bad though. Worth a watch.

    Added to my "to watch" list! Looks like an interesting plot.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Yes, I agree. It makes sense.

    Taking Lives isn't bad though. Worth a watch.

    I'm Quebecker and that movie was a complete joke: the accents were all wrong, they had French siren on police cars and the Chateau Frontenac is featured...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Ludovico wrote: »

    I'm Quebecker and that movie was a complete joke: the accents were all wrong, they had French siren on police cars and the Chateau Frontenac is featured...
    That was pretty amusing. Kiefer got a small part too, presumably to up the Canadian content.
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    Anyway I have an hypothesis about why a Maori : I understand many Maori actors were used to play Orca in LOTR and The Hobbit. I might be wrong, but could it be that there's a fair pool of actors of Maori origins who can be physically imposing and capable stuntmen?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    An ork henchman would be awesome.
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    An ork henchman would be awesome.

    Well I didn't mean that, but the movies may have developed a pool of actors suitable for such role.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Something just occurred to me.
    When was the last time the bond producers had a real film director helm a film

    San mendes maybe
    Guy Hamilton?

    Otherwise they are usually unknowns who have directed a few films here and there

    And now we have Danny Boyle AND HIS OWN script writer

    This may be the weirdest most insane most different bond film ever. I don’t think we know what to expect.
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    Lewis Gilbert not a proper film director?
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