No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    I am really bummed by this development. I have a random theory could someone like an Alex Garland who has worked with Boyle before come in and direct the Hodge script? Would this soften the blow of using Boyle's idea without his direction?
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited August 2018 Posts: 2,722
    At this point Gareth Edwards is looking a good option. He can do action, He's malleable enough for EON and he's already survived a troubled, messy shoot - Rogue One - that made a billion dollars. I think this Boyle experience, and the fractured Spectre shoot before it should have cured EON of going for Oscar winning directors who want to deliver a unique Bond. Especially if that isn't what EON want.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 486
    Shardlake wrote: »
    TR007 wrote: »

    What exactly happened between Craig and Mendes during SP? The JBR guys allude to this but I'd love to know more.

    I imagine it will get revealed at some point but I believe they fell out during shooting, I certainly didn't get the love fest vibe they gave while promoting Skyfall.

    Both Dan & Sam were delighted with that I never got that from Dan at all.

    Whilst mentioned in the SPECTRE promotion I could have sworn the falling out between them was for Skyfall instead as both Craig and Mendes had said there was some initial difficulties in them finding a way to work together despite their friendship.

    With regards to this news, it is saddening. After seeing Fallout last night I appreciated that Bond 25 would be unlikely to top it as an action movie but would at least have Boyle's contribution as the film's USP.

    I'm not yet inclined to think the artistic differences will be over the script but more so a difference of opinion with Boyle's own methodology in film making. I appreciate a lot here feel that EON are a spent creative force but they still clearly know best about the logistics of actually putting a Bond film together.

    The script was always the problem with SPECTRE - a lot of blame is placed on Mendes but I have never imagined that Mendes would have been likely to be happy with what he had to shoot with.

    There's too much riding on this with the new deal for EON not to have a contingency plan and there must be a couple of attainable directors they already had in mind even if the eventual appointee may forever be saddled with the label of 'second choice' if the film proves a dud.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2018 Posts: 12,480
    Ah, I see. Boyle's idea and Hodge's script was actually a PARODY! Yes, kill Bond! Have somebody else save the world for a spin-off ... resurrect Jinx from DAD!! Amazing!!

    Problem just arose that Eon only now caught on that it was a parody and Boyle didn't want to make that at all. He showed them his real script. They said ... but... but ... you said "let's shock 'em!" and we said okay ...

    Alas, we can come up with 1,001 tales for reasons "why" while we wait. ;)
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    If the film gets delayed, i will be pissed.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    This sucks in so many ways.

    yes
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited August 2018 Posts: 1,261
    Maybe they can get Tommy Wiseau as director?

    *runsforthedoor*



  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    Or Roger Donaldson?
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    What’s even more of a slap in the face is that they tell us they’ve lost their director with no details, no explanation, and no apparent remedy. We’ve only waited for what seems like an eternity for this film to finally get going, and now this. Give us some reassurance, EON.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I think this will not delay the film much, if at all. I am merely guessing, but I'll go ahead and guess we have a named director within three weeks.
  • JeffreyJeffrey The Netherlands
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    Tuxedo wrote: »
    Creative differences. That sounds like they didn't like the script Hodge wrote and Boyle rather wanted to tell that story than doing a Bond film based on a different plot.

    At this stage I don’t think BB, MGW and DC didn’t like the script. They would’ve known way earlier if they didn’t like it.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    At this point Gareth Edwards is looking a good option. He can do action, He's malleable enough for EON and he's already survived a troubled, messy shoot - Rogue One - that made a billion dollars. I think this Boyle experience, and the fractured Spectre shoot before it should have cured EON of going for Oscar winning directors who want to deliver a unique Bond. Especially if that isn't what EON want.

    100% on board
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    I think this will not delay the film much, if at all. I am merely guessing, but I'll go ahead and guess we have a named director within three weeks.

    I'm guessing the film will be delayed another year, the Hodge script abandoned, and Craig will eventually walk.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    The idea that this is the script is ludicrous.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    But if Boyle is no longer on board I’m guessing you can pretty much kiss the script goodbye.
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    Jeffrey wrote: »
    Tuxedo wrote: »
    Creative differences. That sounds like they didn't like the script Hodge wrote and Boyle rather wanted to tell that story than doing a Bond film based on a different plot.

    At this stage I don’t think BB, MGW and DC didn’t like the script. They would’ve known way earlier if they didn’t like it.

    Yes, I can't see the script - which they've had for months - being a problem. Boyle has now been free to start the pre-production and differences in approach have arisen.

    We may yet have dodged a bullet. If this had to happen, much better it happened now than bring the production into complete disarray.
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    Being a Bond fan ever since seeing Goldfinger first run and then losing my interest in Bond after Skyfall and Spectre I could care less about the trials and tribulations of 25, but having said that, they need a new producing team and someone who has enough sense to hire Martin Campbell at any cost right about now.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    What’s even more of a slap in the face is that they tell us they’ve lost their director with no details, no explanation, and no apparent remedy. We’ve only waited for what seems like an eternity for this film to finally get going, and now this. Give us some reassurance, EON.

    This is because this is business as usual for them. The director is gone, but everything else is in place. They've already spent a lot of money on the script, casting director and staff, locations; they've got permits to shoot in certain places... It's business as usual.

    And, I still think they will go with Hodge's script. That is, until Mendes or a safe director is hired.

    If that happens, the locations, casting and script get canned; they go back to the P&W script. Delay by three to four months to polish that script, and get back on the horse.

    Keep an eye on the director. If he's edgy-- and that includes Demange-- I see a polished Hodge script (with a writer/writers to "up" the action); if it's a Mendes-type, I can see a u-turn back to P&W...



  • I'm very dissappointed in this, I was already excited at the prospect of Boyle helming this.

    I hope we don't get a much less exciting choice now.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Sources tell Variety that Eon and Boyle were in the early stages of casting the new Bond girl and villain prior to the December production start. Producers will now act quickly to find Boyle’s replacement.

    https://variety.com/2018/film/news/bond-25-danny-boyle-exits-1202911993/
    TR007 wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I seriously hope JBR are not right and Mendes doesn't get within a hundred miles of Bond 25.

    If he comes back my expectation will be seriously downgraded. I think Dan is unlikely to work with him again on a Bond film at least, so hoping that he doesn't get the call.

    They seem pretty sure it's the idea that has caused the exit, although for site many of you seem to like it seems very unlikely that a script that was signed off by BB, MGW & DC is all of sudden the reason Boyle has parted and these 2 are about as clueless as others on the internet.

    What exactly happened between Craig and Mendes during SP? The JBR guys allude to this but I'd love to know more.
    The only think I've ever heard on the matter other than thr occasional bicker om set. I've also beard Dan say he'd work with him again "tomorrow."
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Jeffrey wrote: »
    Tuxedo wrote: »
    Creative differences. That sounds like they didn't like the script Hodge wrote and Boyle rather wanted to tell that story than doing a Bond film based on a different plot.

    At this stage I don’t think BB, MGW and DC didn’t like the script. They would’ve known way earlier if they didn’t like it.

    I can't believe it's the script since they started crewing and casting... so the story seems sound... It's something in how Boyle was going to execute this story that scared EoN...
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    Martin Campbell. It's gonna be Martin Campbell.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    It's a business and just like any business if someone quits, they start interviewing candidates. They just don't stop work just because.

    So for everyone thinks that a delay will happen, just stop it won't. The only way there will be a delay is if Craig drops out.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Martin Campbell. It's gonna be Martin Campbell.

    Campbell is not on their radar...
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Hopefully it will be a action director, no more of these artsy drama directors who have never done action action scenes before Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    If there's any bad blood between EON/MGM and Warner Brothers after the distribution deal fiasco, they could keep the Oct/Nov 2019 release date and hire a female director, then sit back and watch WB sweat it out over there precious WW84 box office figures.
    WW84 has nothing to worry about. Honestly. There will be huge buzz for that film, and even I'm excited for it, despite not liking the first one as much as many people.
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Martin McDonaugh would be a fantastic choice! I actually hope they do get him now..can't believe I never thought of him..
    Martin McDonaugh just directed a movie that won 2 acting Oscars and got nominated for Best Picture. He is at the top of the world. Why on Earth would he agree to direct Bond 25 now when the production is in a deep mess?

    That's the worst thing about this development: unless the movie is delayed or they get someone they already have a relationship with (Campbell or Mendes), they will have to pick a C- or D-list director. Even Demange would be a dream scenario for them now.
    You raise an interesting point. Which director worth his/her salt would want to be seen as 2nd choice? Normally in these instances, the replacement gets saddled with the blame if the film doesn't live up to expectations, and we all know that the press can be ruthless and will go on and on about what could have been with poster boy Boyle. It really doesn't bode well from a marketing standpoint if they just replace the director and move forward with the old script as a result. They may be forced to try a different approach just in order to have a better marketing spin for the release.

    Either that or they need a big enough name to compensate for Boyle's departure, even with one of the old scripts. I can only think of Mendes at this point, due to his recent familiarity with all things Bond, but it will mean a delay.
    Anyone else think they've had time to kick back and watch the plaudits and cash thrown at 'MI: Fallout' and thought...we might want something like that?
    It's possible but doubtful. I hope not at least. They won't be able to do it, at least based on the evidence of the past 20 years.
    I think this Boyle experience, and the fractured Spectre shoot before it should have cured EON of going for Oscar winning directors who want to deliver a unique Bond. Especially if that isn't what EON want.
    I certainly hope so. They seemed to be on that new trajectory (Demange, Mackenzie etc.) until Craig agreed to come back, so may go in that direction with B26.
    GetCarter wrote: »
    If the call for more action is indeed true, I’m down with that.

    Bravura action sequences interspersed with lifestyle porn is what the Craig canon so badly needs.

    Enough with the angsty claptrap.
    It's what Bond needs imho, but I'm not sure it's what Craig wants. That's not his game, and I'm not convinced he can credibly deliver that. So I'd rather he not try.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    talos7 wrote: »

    The man cut his chops as a writer before director (which would help in quickly shaping a script that he will direct)... I wouldn't bet against McQuarrie being the first Yank director-- although still a long shot.
  • talos7 wrote: »

    He's my top choice
    If he can do for Bond what he did with Mission Impossible then i'd be all for it
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »

    The man cut his chops as a writer before director (which would help in quickly shaping a script that he will direct)... I wouldn't bet against McQuarrie being the first Yank director-- although still a long shot.

    Desperate times, desperate measures. ;)
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