No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • edited August 2018 Posts: 19,339
    I hope he does walk.
    He has got too big for his boots,that is obvious by his attitude,comments and nonchalance.
    If he was enthusiastic he would use his influence and push for the films to be made,not sitting on his golden nest egg waiting for another pay-day every 4-5 years,and phone in a performance as he did in the last 'film'.

    It's insulting to the fans and its insulting to JAMES BOND.

    God knows what Sir Roger Moore would have thought of this,what is happening to his beloved Bond series.

    And i'm sorry.but Danny Boyle is not an aggressive director or man,and you put him up against a demanding BB and arrogant 'I want this I want that' Craig,and i'm not surprised he thought 'f**k this' and walked.

    This series is becoming a joke,and people are losing interest in it compared with all the rivals,MI,Kingsman,etc...which are all more fun and interesting to me,which is wrong,i shouldn't be thinking that...it should be BOND.

    EON/Craig need to be careful here,very careful,or their arrogance could bring down the worlds oldest and best franchise.

    .....................................................................................................................................

    Just in,Daily Telegraph :

    Danny Boyle quit Bond in dispute over film's Russian villain .

    Danny Boyle quit the new Bond film weeks before filming was due to start after a dispute over the film's Russian villain, the Telegraph understands.

    Producers are understood to have been in the midst of making final decisions on casting when it was announced that the Oscar-winning director behind Slumdog Millionaire and Trainspotting had quit over "creative differences".

    Rumours that the film's script was the source of the disagreement have been reported, with producers alleged to be unhappy with the decision to focus on contemporary political tensions with Russia and a "modern-day Cold War".

    However one industry source told the Telegraph the split was due to a fall out over whether to cast Tomasz Kot as the lead villain. The 41-year-old Polish actor stars in Cold War, a love story set in 1950s Europe, and was described as a "left-field" decision for a Bond enemy.

    "Craig has a big say in all the casting decisions. None of the Bond girls have been chosen without his say so," the source said.

    "For example he chose Eva Green to be the Bond girl when it came to the final four for Casino Royale and that has been the case for all the Bond girls he has worked with."

    A direct clash between Craig and Boyle could have been the cause of the rift which has thrown the Bond franchise into chaos.

    It was telling the producers put his [Craig's] name on their release saying that Boyle had been sacked," the source said.


    "I have heard that they wanted to bring that Cold War element in but update it to the modern day.

    "Danny Boyle was in for that. That wasn't the problem. The problem came in when they were making the final decisions about casting pre-production."

    The last minute fall out leaves EON Productions scrambling for a replacement and it is highly likely the scheduled release date of 25 October 2019 will be pushed back.

    Boyle insistence on bringing an entirely new team, including his established writing partner John Hodge, infuriated Bond producer Barbara Broccoli, another industry source told the Telegraph.

    It is unclear whether producers will now stick to Boyle's controversial script, written by Hodge, or revert to the version by Purvis and Wade, thought to be more typical for a Bond film.

    EON Productions has been approached for comment.
  • Posts: 1,548
    Is Ed Woodward running Eon these days as well as Manchester United? What is going on with the 2 biggest loves of my life( apart from my wife of course!)
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 19,339
    Kot versus Craig ?

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  • edited August 2018 Posts: 11,425
    I trust Boyle over Craig or Babs when it comes to casting. Hard to think of 2 limper villains than the ones we got in Spectre.

    The guy on the right could be Craig - scary.
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
    Posts: 2,044
    What's good in this situation is that the chances for finally getting

    Wave-Link, He Just Knows as a title for B25 is now an actual possibility again.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 1,661
    The Sun article is revealing (if true!):

    1) Craig wouldn't do Bond 25 if Mendes returned!

    2) Craig has a lot of power over the production.

    3) Craig has temper tantrums and gets angry when voicing his opinion.

    If all of the above is true, and Boyle is the kind of director that can't cope with all that malarky, it's not a huge surprise he's gone. Boyle may not be the kind of director after the big pay cheque. What I mean is, most directors would probably keep quiet, be grateful for the job and take the money.

    Eon thought they could mould Boyle into their way of thinking, and if it's true that Craig also calls the shots Boyle might have resented that. Craig's extra role as producer (be it official or just in name only) could have backfired. He clashed with Sam Mendes so it's possible he's clashed with Boyle. Boyle may not have the temperament to endure seven months of potential clashes with the star or the producers. Perhaps he's not as tough as Mendes so he walked.

  • edited August 2018 Posts: 4,408
    Getafix wrote: »
    I trust Boyle over Craig or Babs when it comes to casting. Hard to think of 2 limper villains than the ones we got in Spectre.

    The guy on the right could be Craig - scary.

    Interesting comment.

    Personally, it's a hard one to judge. Mostly, I'll always side with the artist over the studio/producer entity. However, the Broccoli's have a lot of insight into making big movies.

    There does seem to be a general sense of outrage in fan communities concerning female producers derailing their beloved franchises. I've seen the same toxic sentiment grow in the Star Wars fanbase. Personally, I think all the comments that Barbara Broccoli is destroying the franchise are unnecessary. She's doing her job and sometimes shit happens. Let's see how Eon handle this current dilemma and how Bond 25 turns out before we condemn her.

    Every director has had an article written in the last two days mentioning them as the favourite, ranging from Sam Mendes, David Mackenzie, Yann Demange to Lynne Ramsay.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    On topic... I suspect by the end of September we will know more official news, potentially a new director and/or a delay.

    Nope.

    Bond 25 has to come out in 2019. There are shareholders and studios investing a lot of money on the business side. If the creative end is having an issue, that is not their issue.

    I predict a replacement director will be announced within the next few days. I'm certain that this time next week, we'll know who is directing it.

    I'm praying Eon see the light and just let Boyle do whatever it was he was planning.
  • Posts: 3,164
    Oh phew, finally the Twitter login is working again!

    My thoughts - such a big shame. And the whole reports about the Russia involvement in the story, the Tomasz Kot casting (he's great in Cold War), would have been great. Alas...
    Nope.

    Bond 25 has to come out in 2019. There are shareholders and studios investing a lot of money on the business side. If the creative end is having an issue, that is not their issue.

    I predict a replacement director will be announced within the next few days. I'm certain that this time next week, we'll know who is directing it.

    I'm praying Eon see the light and just let Boyle do whatever it was he was planning.

    Studios move and shift release dates all the time, this isn't really as big an issue. Just depends on the circumstances really.
  • Posts: 1,661
    Risico007 wrote: »
    HMBFF wrote: »
    Just needed to vent my frustration.

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    Can you please re do that poster with a Fleming title and the current release date would love for that to be by New background

    HMBFF - is that image of Craig from a previous Bond poster? I've never seen that image before. Your poster is very good. :)

  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, non more so than in the case of defaming EON. ‘I’ve read the leaks’, doesn’t cut it I’m afraid. I personally don’t think EON are perfect, far from it, but I also understand that while they’re slave to production, they are also attempting to maintain and protect a legacy.

    That’s a really difficult job in an age where you’re being battered from every angle by people telling you what you should and shouldn’t be doing, from press to fans. All with opposing opinions, all with their own agendas. It’s black Bond, it’s female Bond, it’s fun Bond, it’s ‘gritty’ Bond, it’s #metoo Bond, it’s action Bond... ‘Why can’t you be more like Marvel?’, ‘Why can’t you be more like M:I?’, ‘I want Craig!’, ‘I don’t want Craig!’...

    Do you stick, or twist? It’s a hard call.

    Marvel are in their infancy and building their legacy, M:I don’t have one to maintain thus far. Bond’s is long established. SW are suddenly experiencing what it means to build on your legacy in the modern age - needless to say it took all of a couple of years before they were roundly lambasted to the point of boycotts.

    This world is a tricky one to navigate, a constant 24/7 dialogue that plays out on social media and in the press. EON are a very small outfit, but they field as much, if not more BS, than the big guns. Their general radio silence can be seen as an inability to play the PR game (fair enough), but I can see why they do it. It’s a policy they have always maintained and I respect that. No deals.

    When I defend EON it is not because I’m directly defending the organisation, but because I’m defending producers in general. I know how hard it is to produce. I don’t sit behind my keyboard guessing.

    That’s all I have to say.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 19,339
    Boyle makes films for creative reasons not money.
    If Craig is acting like a spoilt brat and every idea Boyle has gets shot down, then he will think he doesn't need the hassle and grief and will walk.

    As he did.
  • I love Daniel Craig as 007, but I wanted him to walk away. On one hand, I considered SP was a satisfactory farwell. On the other hand, I thought Craig was starting to look a bit tired. Therefore, a 5th outing would be unnecesary.
    However, the fact is that Daniel Craig is under contract for a 5th movie and, after a long wait, Bond 25 is (or was) scheduled for 2019.
    So now, I hope EON can keep Craig and the "brilliant" ideas that Boyle and Hodge had with a competent new director, because it is the only way to release the bloody movie the next year.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    RC7 wrote: »
    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, non more so than in the case of defaming EON. ‘I’ve read the leaks’, doesn’t cut it I’m afraid. I personally don’t think EON are perfect, far from it, but I also understand that while they’re slave to production, they are also attempting to maintain and protect a legacy.

    That’s a really difficult job in an age where you’re being battered from every angle by people telling you what you should and shouldn’t be doing, from press to fans. All with opposing opinions, all with their own agendas. It’s black Bond, it’s female Bond, it’s fun Bond, it’s ‘gritty’ Bond, it’s #metoo Bond, it’s action Bond... ‘Why can’t you be more like Marvel?’, ‘Why can’t you be more like M:I?’, ‘I want Craig!’, ‘I don’t want Craig!’...

    Do you stick, or twist? It’s a hard call.

    Marvel are in their infancy and building their legacy, M:I don’t have one to maintain thus far. Bond’s is long established. SW are suddenly experiencing what it means to build on your legacy in the modern age - needless to say it took all of a couple of years before they were roundly lambasted to the point of boycotts.

    This world is a tricky one to navigate, a constant 24/7 dialogue that plays out on social media and in the press. EON are a very small outfit, but they field as much, if not more BS, than the big guns. Their general radio silence can be seen as an inability to play the PR game (fair enough), but I can see why they do it. It’s a policy they have always maintained and I respect that. No deals.

    When I defend EON it is not because I’m directly defending the organisation, but because I’m defending producers in general. I know how hard it is to produce. I don’t sit behind my keyboard guessing.

    That’s all I have to say.

    Very well said. And said from experience.
  • Posts: 19,339
    I have nothing against EON,they have an impossible job,it's Craig I,personally,have the issue with .
  • Posts: 3,164
    Yeah, great points @RC7. Although I disagree on Star Wars, a lot of that boycott has come from a more bigoted place and are yet to have an actual tangible effect that these people are claiming it does... They did push the envelope too far though with the spin off plans, that's why Solo faltered the way it did.

    And while Bond yes, absolutely does have a history and a legacy to preserve, it shouldn't simply coast on it to the point of it becoming the only selling point. Say what you will about the bigoted Star Wars boycotters, and Kathleen Kennedy's clashes with Edwards, Lord/Miller and Trevorrow, but the film community's and the industry's response to how Star Wars built on that legacy in the modern age has been uniformly positive. From a creative perspective that should be the model Bond should aspire to. That's why the film community's excitement about someone like Boyle or Villeneuve coming on. The whole disconnect between what the film community wants out of Bond and what the fans on places like here want out of Bond is fascinating.
  • Posts: 4,408
    antovolk wrote: »
    Oh phew, finally the Twitter login is working again!

    My thoughts - such a big shame. And the whole reports about the Russia involvement in the story, the Tomasz Kot casting (he's great in Cold War), would have been great. Alas...
    Nope.

    Bond 25 has to come out in 2019. There are shareholders and studios investing a lot of money on the business side. If the creative end is having an issue, that is not their issue.

    I predict a replacement director will be announced within the next few days. I'm certain that this time next week, we'll know who is directing it.

    I'm praying Eon see the light and just let Boyle do whatever it was he was planning.

    Studios move and shift release dates all the time, this isn't really as big an issue. Just depends on the circumstances really.

    I would agree with you.

    However, a five year gap wouldn't work for Craig or Eon.

    They have to consider their marketplace. What are they offering? Currently there appeal isn't to a younger demographics and as a result they are losing a lot of box office as audiences flock to other big studio films.

    The people who grew up with the Craig films are in their late 20s/30s now and the audience is only getting older. They know they are even loosing the attention of that demographic as all the Bond conversation at the moment is surrounding Idris Elba and not Daniel Craig. Which is really odd. More people are tired of his interpretation after 12 years and there's clearly an appetite for something new.

    Eon either release in 2019 (which is already a very late release) with Craig, or they need to rebrand. The same way they did with Brosnan. At that point, DAD was the most successful film but there was a change in the air concerning audience taste. The whole tone of the Brosnan era wasn't going to appeal to a mass audiences in 2005 the same way it did in 1995 and they knew they needed to change to survive. In that sense, we can see the same progression taking place now, audience tastes have changed since 2006 to 2018.

    Eon were probably hoping to go for an older audience for Bond 25 with Boyle and make something more esoteric and thoughtful (like SF). However, the time may be right to rebrand and a younger name like Henry Cavill means a whole new generation get interested and the old fans are happy and the cycle continues.

    Plus, Eon have never abandoned a production this close to the finishline so I can't see them dropping Bond 25. They won't delay. I'm hoping they convince Boyle to return.
  • Posts: 1,970
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I JUST WANT ONE MORE DANIEL CRAIG BOND FILM!

    That’s all I ask! I don’t care who the director is, who the villain is, etc. I just want to see Craig grace the screen as 007 one last time. Apparently this is too much to ask for. I sure hope some of you are speculating accurately when you say he is most likely locked in.

    Dont worry we are getting a 5th Craig film.
  • LFSLFS
    Posts: 40
    Time to bring back John Glen!
  • Posts: 15,106
    darrenr wrote: »
    Are we all certain that John Hodge has now been fired?

    There is surely no way that Eon have retained his services. I think the great irony is that if they want to make the December start date, they'll have to ask P&W back. They are Eon's writers. It's hilarious as their old script was tossed out for Hodge's draft. Now they'll be the ones to fix the script to Eon's specification.

    This whole 'Danny Boyle experiment' has been such a farce. Personally, I think if Eon want an auetur they need to leave them to get on with it. You don't hire Danny Boyle and then get annoyed when he won't listen to you. Filmmakers like Boyle and Mendes have individualistic sensibilities. That's the reason you hire them!

    I hope the film is delayed a year and Daniel Craig walks. Then this guy can play 007...

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    I rarely, rarely comment on here and enjoy watching those who contribute. However this post just pushed me. Can people stop pushing this idea of Elba, a jumped up, poorly skilled, egotistical and social-media abusing second rate "actor" who on a basic level is just too old to play the role. Message ends.

    @darrenr you should post more often.

    Although I think Idris Elba is a fine actor, or was, he's been far too full of himself at the moment.
  • Posts: 1,970
    I have only disagreed with Babs on 2 thing. 1. Not giving Brosnan a 5th film, and 2. QOS
  • Posts: 7,407
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I have only disagreed with Babs on 2 thing. 1. Not giving Brosnan a 5th film, and 2. QOS

    I would be the opposite. Glad Brossa was dumped and I love QOS!!
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited August 2018 Posts: 11,139
    I DO have something against EoN and it's their half arsed ability to properly produce. The size of the company has nothing to do with my issue with them; it's their approach, especially more so as their experience trounces most if not all other production companies out there. They've seen and been through it all yet, their "experience" is something they consistently find terribly difficult to learn from.

    3 to 4 year gaps out of your control? Sucks but ok not your fault but in THAT time, get things done. Iron things out. Make things clear before bringing people on board. Generally speaking it's not uncommon for actors or directors to drop out of a movie, some even a lot closer to filming or worse yet during principal photography but when EoN and it's loyalists promote "things are always happening" ibn the midst of having all the time in the world and then months out we hear of script issues, the producers not being happy with the writer's work or whatever such issue that poses a potential threat to the production, its...just not good enough and there isntvanythingbanuone can say that can make me think otherwise.

    I love EoN believe it or not and I have so much respect for their history but that's kind of the problem; their history needs to not be only that. Say what you will about Marvel and the backing of Disney but Feige is still one man who actually does his job thoroughly for the most part as a producer and He's juggling MULTIPLE franchises. When he talks, you know he knows wtf He's talking about. When EoN talk they either gush about Craig being the right man for the job or go on about Bond's cinematic history and the reliance of current geopolitical issues they can latch on to in order to have some story to tell. EoN, do better and get more creative! Damn. Shouldn't be telling you how to do your job.
  • Posts: 4,603
    The way things are going , the next Bond will be going head to head with MI:7!
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 3,164
    antovolk wrote: »
    Oh phew, finally the Twitter login is working again!

    My thoughts - such a big shame. And the whole reports about the Russia involvement in the story, the Tomasz Kot casting (he's great in Cold War), would have been great. Alas...
    Nope.

    Bond 25 has to come out in 2019. There are shareholders and studios investing a lot of money on the business side. If the creative end is having an issue, that is not their issue.

    I predict a replacement director will be announced within the next few days. I'm certain that this time next week, we'll know who is directing it.

    I'm praying Eon see the light and just let Boyle do whatever it was he was planning.

    Studios move and shift release dates all the time, this isn't really as big an issue. Just depends on the circumstances really.

    I would agree with you.

    However, a five year gap wouldn't work for Craig or Eon.

    They have to consider their marketplace. What are they offering? Currently there appeal isn't to a younger demographics and as a result they are losing a lot of box office as audiences flock to other big studio films.

    The people who grew up with the Craig films are in their late 20s/30s now and the audience is only getting older. They know they are even loosing the attention of that demographic as all the Bond conversation at the moment is surrounding Idris Elba and not Daniel Craig. Which is really odd. More people are tired of his interpretation after 12 years and there's clearly an appetite for something new.

    Eon either release in 2019 (which is already a very late release) with Craig, or they need to rebrand. The same way they did with Brosnan. At that point, DAD was the most successful film but there was a change in the air concerning audience taste. The whole tone of the Brosnan era wasn't going to appeal to a mass audiences in 2005 the same way it did in 1995 and they knew they needed to change to survive. In that sense, we can see the same progression taking place now, audience tastes have changed since 2006 to 2018.

    Eon were probably hoping to go for an older audience for Bond 25 with Boyle and make something more esoteric and thoughtful (like SF). However, the time may be right to rebrand and a younger name like Henry Cavill means a whole new generation get interested and the old fans are happy and the cycle continues.

    Plus, Eon have never abandoned a production this close to the finishline so I can't see them dropping Bond 25. They won't delay. I'm hoping they convince Boyle to return.

    Yeah, I agree with you - hence the circumstances point. I don't think a delay will happen as long as Craig is attached, the only reason for it to happen is if Craig walks.
  • Posts: 19,339
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I have only disagreed with Babs on 2 thing. 1. Not giving Brosnan a 5th film, and 2. QOS SP.

  • Posts: 1,661
    I don't think this is a complete disaster. If Bond 25 begins filming in December, that's over three months to hire director, redo screenplay, lock all the production elements into place. Is that so hard to do? If the new director is agreeable and says "yes" to everything I don't see a major problem. If Eon want some arty farty director to deliver a certain vision, then yep, I think there's problems because he may dislike the current screenplay and want changes to accommodate his vision. That could delay the production.

    There's studio pressure too. If MGM have to have Bond out next year then who knows, perhaps Barbara Broccoli has to defer to those higher up the chain of command. Eon cannot make the films by itself. Delaying Bond 25 to 2020 may be a complete no-no for MGM.


  • manovermanover uk
    Posts: 170
    Must be more to this departure than just the casting of one character.
  • Posts: 7,407
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    I don't think this is a complete disaster. If Bond 25 begins filming in December, that's over three months to hire director, redo screenplay, lock all the production elements into place. Is that so hard to do? If the new director is agreeable and says "yes" to everything I don't see a major problem. If Eon want some arty farty director to deliver a certain vision, then yep, I think there's problems because he may dislike the current screenplay and want changes to accommodate his vision. That could delay the production.

    There's studio pressure too. If MGM have to have Bond out next year then who knows, perhaps Barbara Broccoli has to defer to those higher up the chain of command. Eon cannot make the films by itself. Delaying Bond 25 to 2020 may be a complete no-no for MGM.


    Agreed. And that's why am wondering is David Mackenzie available?
  • Posts: 11,425
    Truth is none of us really know why this has happened but what we do know is that it's a mess and that it isn't out of character for EON to be juggling last minute issues like having no director, no decent script etc.

    How is this still the case after 4 years since SP? The longer gaps are presumably to allow them to sort their sh*t out between films but they can't even do that. It's the same situation (to one degree or another) as before QoS, SF and SP all over again.

    Okay, productions don't always run smoothly and arguments around the script and casting are presumably normal. But aren't these things the basics? To be tripping up on the same issues again and again, to the extent that they repeatedly lose their director or have rewrite the script extensively at the last minute surely suggests incompetence or lack of interest at some level.

    I'd have preferred QOS quality movies every 2 years to what we've had since 2008. It doesn't seem to matter how much time EON has - it's always a last minute cobbled together mess these days.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,205
    RC7 wrote: »
    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, non more so than in the case of defaming EON. ‘I’ve read the leaks’, doesn’t cut it I’m afraid. I personally don’t think EON are perfect, far from it, but I also understand that while they’re slave to production, they are also attempting to maintain and protect a legacy.

    That’s a really difficult job in an age where you’re being battered from every angle by people telling you what you should and shouldn’t be doing, from press to fans. All with opposing opinions, all with their own agendas. It’s black Bond, it’s female Bond, it’s fun Bond, it’s ‘gritty’ Bond, it’s #metoo Bond, it’s action Bond... ‘Why can’t you be more like Marvel?’, ‘Why can’t you be more like M:I?’, ‘I want Craig!’, ‘I don’t want Craig!’...

    Do you stick, or twist? It’s a hard call.

    Marvel are in their infancy and building their legacy, M:I don’t have one to maintain thus far. Bond’s is long established. SW are suddenly experiencing what it means to build on your legacy in the modern age - needless to say it took all of a couple of years before they were roundly lambasted to the point of boycotts.

    This world is a tricky one to navigate, a constant 24/7 dialogue that plays out on social media and in the press. EON are a very small outfit, but they field as much, if not more BS, than the big guns. Their general radio silence can be seen as an inability to play the PR game (fair enough), but I can see why they do it. It’s a policy they have always maintained and I respect that. No deals.

    When I defend EON it is not because I’m directly defending the organisation, but because I’m defending producers in general. I know how hard it is to produce. I don’t sit behind my keyboard guessing.

    That’s all I have to say.

    +1

    There are things that could be done better - there always are - but the hatred seems to be highly irrational.

    Producing is a thankless job - I say that from experience too. And I only did indie films.
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