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  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    An interesting idea might be if they could bring back Sean Connery. Bond visits him in prison, and he talks about how "he used to do your job" but then ended up in jail somehow. It would be a nice way to confirm the code name theory to bring everything together.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited December 2018 Posts: 15,423
    And move the release date to the 1st of April 2020.
  • DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    This. This was mentioned a while back and I LOVE this idea. A Silence of the Lambs type adaptation could really be cool with Blofeld orchestrating devastating events behind bars. Swan could serve as the psychologist assigned to him, while Bond has to go on a mission to counter Blofeld's plans.
    Not really sure I would like it. This doesn't sound like a Bond movie.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 832
    Waltz is never returning to the series. The code name theory will never be endorsed so explicitly by eon. A new incarnation of blofeld will be introduced with the next bond.The alternative is the end of the franchise (to the first two). And no, before detractors raise this, I do not believe that I am being even slightly hyperbolic. Really can’t believe some of the suggestions of some members of this forum.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I think people are just having fun spitballing.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    An interesting idea might be if they could bring back Sean Connery. Bond visits him in prison, and he talks about how "he used to do your job" but then ended up in jail somehow.

    ...with a brief escape in the mid 90s where he helped thwart a chemical attack on San Francisco. ;)



  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    talos7 wrote: »
    An interesting idea might be if they could bring back Sean Connery. Bond visits him in prison, and he talks about how "he used to do your job" but then ended up in jail somehow.

    ...with a brief escape in the mid 90s where he helped thwart a chemical attack on San Francisco. ;)



    And stole $7 Billion with the help of an attractive insurance investigator with a Welsh-twanged accent.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited December 2018 Posts: 4,636
    It's usually fun too hear other people's ideas. Relax people, let's have a bit of fun!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Waltz is never returning to the series. The code name theory will never be endorsed so explicitly by eon. A new incarnation of blofeld will be introduced with the next bond.The alternative is the end of the franchise (to the first two). And no, before detractors raise this, I do not believe that I am being even slightly hyperbolic. Really can’t believe some of the suggestions of some members of this forum.

    Eon didn't pay all that money not to use Blofeld and Spectre liberally now. They've been trying to do just that repeatedly since 1971. (TSWLM, OP, CR, to name three.)

    Most people here seem to hate the "code name" theory. So do I.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 832
    echo wrote: »
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Waltz is never returning to the series. The code name theory will never be endorsed so explicitly by eon. A new incarnation of blofeld will be introduced with the next bond.The alternative is the end of the franchise (to the first two). And no, before detractors raise this, I do not believe that I am being even slightly hyperbolic. Really can’t believe some of the suggestions of some members of this forum.

    Eon didn't pay all that money not to use Blofeld and Spectre liberally now. They've been trying to do just that repeatedly since 1971. (TSWLM, OP, CR, to name three.)

    Most people here seem to hate the "code name" theory. So do I.

    And I would be happy to see blofeld return in the future. Let me put it this way. If waltz is the villain in bond25, my interest in the film will drop from high to literally zero. Waltz could have made a great blofeld, but as far as im concerned his character in sp was laughable/ irredeemable. I actually can say that charles gray’s incarnation is better. Only a few scenes in sp are watchable imo (opening tracking shot, hinx’s introduction, train fight, a few others).
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    I think waltz will get at the very least a mention more likely an appearance . Everyone seems to forget at the end of spectre mi6 is blown to bits for good, the 00 section is disbanded ,the CNS still stands, and Oberhauser is merely detained, not killed or imprisoned, they simply can't ignore all that
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I think waltz will get at the very least a mention more likely an appearance . Everyone seems to forget at the end of spectre mi6 is blown to bits for good, the 00 section is disbanded ,the CNS still stands, and Oberhauser is merely detained, not killed or imprisoned, they simply can't ignore all that
    The sequel issue also lies on the fact that there has been a significant time gap between SP and B25. The characters will have visibly aged, and it wouldn't seem right to continue the arcs of the characters as we last saw them at the end of SP. Whether or not you bought their relationship, is anyone honestly willing to believe that Bond and Madeleine have maintained a relationship this entire time? I would rather they allude to a ton of s**t happening in between films so that the narrative can go wherever it wants, as opposed to the events of SP being the primary driving force behind the story.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    edited December 2018 Posts: 3,000
    An interesting idea might be if they could bring back Sean Connery. Bond visits him in prison, and he talks about how "he used to do your job" but then ended up in jail somehow. It would be a nice way to confirm the code name theory to bring everything together.

    So let me get this straight. You want them to:

    A) Make the code name theory real

    and

    B) Have ConneryBond’s final fate be that he wound up in prison.

    https://imgur.com/gallery/ocrk9o3
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I think waltz will get at the very least a mention more likely an appearance . Everyone seems to forget at the end of spectre mi6 is blown to bits for good, the 00 section is disbanded ,the CNS still stands, and Oberhauser is merely detained, not killed or imprisoned, they simply can't ignore all that

    Too many dangling threads!

  • Blofeld0064Blofeld0064 Milford, Michigan
    Posts: 243
    jake24 wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I think waltz will get at the very least a mention more likely an appearance . Everyone seems to forget at the end of spectre mi6 is blown to bits for good, the 00 section is disbanded ,the CNS still stands, and Oberhauser is merely detained, not killed or imprisoned, they simply can't ignore all that
    The sequel issue also lies on the fact that there has been a significant time gap between SP and B25. The characters will have visibly aged, and it wouldn't seem right to continue the arcs of the characters as we last saw them at the end of SP. Whether or not you bought their relationship, is anyone honestly willing to believe that Bond and Madeleine have maintained a relationship this entire time? I would rather they allude to a ton of s**t happening in between films so that the narrative can go wherever it wants, as opposed to the events of SP being the primary driving force behind the story.

    @jake24 I completely agree with you! I doubt fukunaga will make B25 a direct sequel anyway I also think Brexit will in some shape or form play a role.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    jake24 wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I think waltz will get at the very least a mention more likely an appearance . Everyone seems to forget at the end of spectre mi6 is blown to bits for good, the 00 section is disbanded ,the CNS still stands, and Oberhauser is merely detained, not killed or imprisoned, they simply can't ignore all that
    The sequel issue also lies on the fact that there has been a significant time gap between SP and B25. The characters will have visibly aged, and it wouldn't seem right to continue the arcs of the characters as we last saw them at the end of SP. Whether or not you bought their relationship, is anyone honestly willing to believe that Bond and Madeleine have maintained a relationship this entire time? I would rather they allude to a ton of s**t happening in between films so that the narrative can go wherever it wants, as opposed to the events of SP being the primary driving force behind the story.

    @jake24 I completely agree with you! I doubt fukunaga will make B25 a direct sequel anyway I also think Brexit will in some shape or form play a role.
    I'm honestly quite surprised that Fukunaga chose to bring Madeleine back. On one hand, it could mean that they genuinely found an interesting way to reprise the character, or that they are devoid of creativity and concerned about getting the script done on-time to the point where they have no choice but to go down a rather predictable route for the story. We will have a better sense in less than 3 months time when the official synopsis is revealed along with the press release.
  • 077077 ny
    edited December 2018 Posts: 12
    What we know so far:

    Cary, quote, wants to finish Daniel's 007 story in an arc. Meaning, it will be continuous to all the other previous films. That's why it made total sense to bring Lea back. From the casting leaks we've received in the Boyle era as well as now the Cary era, they're looking to bring more estrogen in (yes!), thus the idea to have a younger female 00 protege. SO the FALLOUT idea is not that far off. I agree, that Bond is a loner and usually better off alone. But, honestly, this franchise needs more estrogen to have continuous commercial success in the future. Playing the endless guy seduces helpless dumb girl story just doesn't work anymore (#metoo). An honest love story for each episode would get boring and cheap. So adding another strong female team member is not a bad idea imo. Just think about it, Bond already received help from Moneypenny here and there (Istanbul ?, Macau) and it worked well. It still was all about Bond at the end of the day. Just how it was with Ethan in Fallout. But adding another dimension of people to identify with as well as personal struggle just keep things edgy and interesting. Everyone LOVES Casino Royale (my personal favorite), why? Because it's sexy, action-packed, engaging, relatable, human, just a very good story that happens to be super entertaining.

    So my guess:

    1) Madeleine will be abducted by a male villain and will need to be saved. Bond will receive help from a female young 00 protege, who might be reminding him of Vesper (Fallout esque) relive a Vesper scenario where he has to choose between love and rationale, choose love. He'll die.

    OR

    2) Madeleine will turn villain, work with another grand male villain. Bond will realize he never truly really loved her all along (please!). He will be teamed up with his younger 00 proteges to bring her down. He will have to choose in a life or death situation between saving the younger protege (who will remind him of himself and/or of Vesper) and will die to save her.

    My two cents. Spend it well ;)
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    077 wrote: »
    What we know so far:

    Cary, quote, wants to finish Daniel's 007 story in an arch. Meaning, it will be continuous to all the other previous films. That's why it made total sense to bring Lea back. From the casting leaks we've received in the Boyle era as well as now the Cary era, they're looking to bring more estrogen in (yes!), thus the idea to have a younger female 00 protege. SO the FALLOUT idea is not that far off. I agree, that Bond is a loner and usually better off alone. But, honestly, this franchise needs more estrogen to have continuous commercial success in the future. Playing the endless guy seduces helpless dumb girl story just doesn't work anymore (#metoo). An honest love story for each episode would get boring and cheap. So adding another strong female team member is not a bad idea imo. Just think about it, Bond already received help from Moneypenny here and there (Istanbul ?, Macau) and it worked well. It still was all about Bond at the end of the day. Just how it was with Ethan in Fallout. But adding another dimension of people to identify with as well as personal struggle just keep things edgy and interesting. Everyone LOVES Casino Royale (my personal favorite), why? Because it's sexy, action-packed, engaging, relatable, human, just a very good story that happens to be super entertaining.

    So my guess:

    1) Madeleine will be abducted by a male villain and will need to be saved. Bond will receive help from a female young 00 protege, who might be reminding him of Vesper (Fallout esque) relive a Vesper scenario where he has to choose between love and rationale, choose love. He'll die.

    OR

    2) Madeleine will turn villain, work with another grand male villain. Bond will realize he never truly really loved her all along (please!). He will be teamed up with his younger 00 proteges to bring her down. He will have to choose in a life or death situation between saving the younger protege (who will remind him of himself and/or of Vesper) and will die to save her.

    My two cents. Spend it well ;)

    Great reasoning and predictions! Tomorrow's Thursday, maybe Baz will have some news!
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Damn, there are lot of plot holes which needs to be filled if they are going to continue with SP.

    If done right, it could work. For a long time, I have floated the idea that MI6 had young Bond in its sights and purposely recruited and trained him due to his relationship with Oberhauser. M might have alluded to this in SF, when she says, "Orphans always did make the best agents." In SP, Bond says, when Madeleine asks why does his job, "I never really had a choice." Hmmm.

    This would make the Blofeld-Bond connection far less coincidental and a lot easier to swallow.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    TripAces wrote: »
    Damn, there are lot of plot holes which needs to be filled if they are going to continue with SP.

    If done right, it could work. For a long time, I have floated the idea that MI6 had young Bond in its sights and purposely recruited and trained him due to his relationship with Oberhauser. M might have alluded to this in SF, when she says, "Orphans always did make the best agents." In SP, Bond says, when Madeleine asks why does his job, "I never really had a choice." Hmmm.

    This would make the Blofeld-Bond connection far less coincidental and a lot easier to swallow.

    I guess so if done properly as @jake24 said above it's been 4 years and characters must have aged especially bond's. I am guessing a more Logan like treatment.
  • Tuck91 wrote: »
    I think waltz will get at the very least a mention more likely an appearance . Everyone seems to forget at the end of spectre mi6 is blown to bits for good, the 00 section is disbanded ,the CNS still stands, and Oberhauser is merely detained, not killed or imprisoned, they simply can't ignore all that

    Except this is exactly what they must do if bond25 is to be a good movie. Ignore it completely. Pretend that the abomination that is spectre does not exist. Don’t care about what inconsistencies they will have to tolerate- the film only has a chance of being good if it is independent. All ends justify themeans of making this an independent bond film. Despite the news of lea’s return, I still believe that eon/ cary will take the only rational course. Any news of returning characters (other than wright’s felix, who I would like to see return) will therefore catch me by complete suprise.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Here’s how a return for Madeleine Swann could work and clean up SP in the process:

    M speaking to Bond: “You remember your old friend Franz Oberhauser who claimed to be the international terrorist mastermind Erst Stavro Blofeld? The man who eluded even being photographed by us for years suddenly coming out in the open seemed strange to me. Well considering he’s still stuck behind bars and we have a solid lead that Blofeld’s latest plan is well underway, I’m rather convinced he was lying about his identity. The real question is, why? Did the real Blofeld put him up to it, or did Oberhauser just decide one day to assume his name? I’m sending you to [insert location] to investigate [insert plot device] that we believe has connections to Blofeld and Spectre. And Bond, while I do wish that happier circumstances had led to your return, I’m glad to have you back.”

    Cut to Bond’s flat. We see Swann finishing up packing and moving out. There’s some curt exchange between them, with obvious hurt feelings underlying. Perhaps they were engaged. She leaves after saying some poignant final word to which Bond perhaps responds with an equally poignant quip. End of Swann.
  • Here’s how a return for Madeleine Swann could work and clean up SP in the process:

    M speaking to Bond: “You remember your old friend Franz Oberhauser who claimed to be the international terrorist mastermind Erst Stavro Blofeld? The man who eluded even being photographed by us for years suddenly coming out in the open seemed strange to me. Well considering he’s still stuck behind bars and we have a solid lead that Blofeld’s latest plan is well underway, I’m rather convinced he was lying about his identity. The real question is, why? Did the real Blofeld put him up to it, or did Oberhauser just decide one day to assume his name? I’m sending you to [insert location] to investigate [insert plot device] that we believe has connections to Blofeld and Spectre. And Bond, while I do wish that happier circumstances had led to your return, I’m glad to have you back.”

    Cut to Bond’s flat. We see Swann finishing up packing and moving out. There’s some curt exchange between them, with obvious hurt feelings underlying. Perhaps they were engaged. She leaves after saying some poignant final word to which Bond perhaps responds with an equally poignant quip. End of Swann.

    Or we can just skip all of that.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    At this phase of production I hardly think anything would surprise me, I am waiting for an official announcement then I may be able to process any assumption.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 5,767
    077 wrote: »
    What we know so far:

    Cary, quote, wants to finish Daniel's 007 story in an arc. Meaning, it will be continuous to all the other previous films. That's why it made total sense to bring Lea back. From the casting leaks we've received in the Boyle era as well as now the Cary era, they're looking to bring more estrogen in (yes!), thus the idea to have a younger female 00 protege. SO the FALLOUT idea is not that far off. I agree, that Bond is a loner and usually better off alone. But, honestly, this franchise needs more estrogen to have continuous commercial success in the future. Playing the endless guy seduces helpless dumb girl story just doesn't work anymore (#metoo). An honest love story for each episode would get boring and cheap. So adding another strong female team member is not a bad idea imo. Just think about it, Bond already received help from Moneypenny here and there (Istanbul ?, Macau) and it worked well. It still was all about Bond at the end of the day. Just how it was with Ethan in Fallout. But adding another dimension of people to identify with as well as personal struggle just keep things edgy and interesting. Everyone LOVES Casino Royale (my personal favorite), why? Because it's sexy, action-packed, engaging, relatable, human, just a very good story that happens to be super entertaining.
    Welcome to the community, @077.
    Cary, at least Cary Fukunaga, did not say he wants to finish Daniel´s 007 Story in an arc. He was quoted to intend to continue the character arc that started with CR. That is something entirely different.
    There is no endless guy seduces helpless dumb Girl Story, because there hardly ever were any helpless dumb Girls in Bond films, it´s a myth created by Marketing, and in most of the cases Bond does not unilaterally seduce the Girl but respond to a sense of bilateral attraction.
    Bond also received a lot of help from MP in the 60s and 70s, without MP gallivanting around the planet, it worked even better than what she did recently.
    Personal struggle on a private Level is in the end merely a lame excuse for not coming up with a decent enough Story for Bond´s professional Level. Bond struggling with the villains is what really keeps Things edgy and interesting.
    But in the end what really matters is the execution. We´ve had so many Bond films with flat stories or full of plot holes that nevertheless were highly entertaining.
    Story and execution have to fit together. Then everything is possible.
  • 077 wrote: »
    What we know so far:

    Cary, quote, wants to finish Daniel's 007 story in an arc. Meaning, it will be continuous to all the other previous films. That's why it made total sense to bring Lea back. From the casting leaks we've received in the Boyle era as well as now the Cary era, they're looking to bring more estrogen in (yes!), thus the idea to have a younger female 00 protege. SO the FALLOUT idea is not that far off. I agree, that Bond is a loner and usually better off alone. But, honestly, this franchise needs more estrogen to have continuous commercial success in the future. Playing the endless guy seduces helpless dumb girl story just doesn't work anymore (#metoo). An honest love story for each episode would get boring and cheap. So adding another strong female team member is not a bad idea imo. Just think about it, Bond already received help from Moneypenny here and there (Istanbul ?, Macau) and it worked well. It still was all about Bond at the end of the day. Just how it was with Ethan in Fallout. But adding another dimension of people to identify with as well as personal struggle just keep things edgy and interesting. Everyone LOVES Casino Royale (my personal favorite), why? Because it's sexy, action-packed, engaging, relatable, human, just a very good story that happens to be super entertaining.

    So my guess:

    1) Madeleine will be abducted by a male villain and will need to be saved. Bond will receive help from a female young 00 protege, who might be reminding him of Vesper (Fallout esque) relive a Vesper scenario where he has to choose between love and rationale, choose love. He'll die.

    OR

    2) Madeleine will turn villain, work with another grand male villain. Bond will realize he never truly really loved her all along (please!). He will be teamed up with his younger 00 proteges to bring her down. He will have to choose in a life or death situation between saving the younger protege (who will remind him of himself and/or of Vesper) and will die to save her.

    My two cents. Spend it well ;)

    Much more interesting than that melodrama would be a new, female villain.
  • Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Only a few scenes in sp are watchable imo (opening tracking shot, hinx’s introduction, train fight, a few others).

    I really don't get this Spectre hate that seems to run through every thread. The cinematography alone is worth the price of admission.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 4,409
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Only a few scenes in sp are watchable imo (opening tracking shot, hinx’s introduction, train fight, a few others).

    I really don't get this Spectre hate that seems to run through every thread. The cinematography alone is worth the price of admission.


    Amen.

    I love Hoyte’s cinematography – it has glamour, opulence and makes excellent use of shadows and darkness.

    The production values of both Sam Mendes’s films get an A+

    My apathy for Spectre really stems from both its overly ambitious nature and its half-baked execution. It’s trying to be an earnest continuation on the more sombre SF, but simultaneously wants to be frivolous and frothy. Which makes for an uncomfortable tonal execution.

    The truth is the film needed a rewrite to streamline the ideas and focus solely on Bond – akin to CR. If you focus on character and get rid of the extraneous nonsense, you can make a stronger film. CR works – not because it’s a noisy action film – but because you care about the people. It’s the central thing that distinguishes a character from someone like Madeleine Swann to Vesper Lynd.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    For me Spectre's biggest problem was the constant change in tone. One minute it's overtly dark then light to the point were it's almost Roger style camp (I'm looking at you Simpsons couch gag) For me you can't have a film that features this many gags and then expect the audience to also be intimidated and tense.
    The best example of this was the amazing train fight (probably the film's best scene) what's this incredible sequence followed by? The weirdest love scene since AVTAK, I remember being in the cinema and thinking that scene wasn't given enough time to sink in, like in CR ,after the bathroom fight you see Bond breathing heavy after his first kill. Then we know as an audience that Bond was put through his paces and we appreciate how tough the battle was, without throwing a punch ourselves. An example of Spectre feeling rushed.

    Anyway back to Shatterhand, I mean Bond 25
    I hope whatever way they bring Swann back it's more creative then redoing OHMSS. We know from the leaked scripts they planned "all the time in the world" to be the last line, which could be a give away as to were Purvis and Wade were planning to take Bond 25 originally. I'm still holding out hope that Swann is villainous, after all she is Mr White's daughter.
    As for the female MI6 agent aspect, (hate to say this) I'd hope that would be like MI3, in that it's not another Eve character, and the agent is there to lead Bond to the villain and possibly dies to up the stakes. Although I doubt this will be done better than in MI3 because that was one of the best aspects of that film

    Apologies for the long post guys
  • 001001
    edited December 2018 Posts: 1,575
    If they wanted to kill off bond they would have gotten Rian Johnson as the director. :)
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