Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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    He was Gable/Cary Grant type.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited 1:55am Posts: 698
    He was Gable/Cary Grant type.

    Here's a photo of Grant and Connery that shows what might be considered subtle but meaningful differences that casting people, in particular, would be looking for, even if the men are relatively similar physical types.

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    Both are tall, dark-haired, handsome, and Caucasian, with no obvious physical flaws, but you can see that Connery has a pointier, slightly less refined nose and profile, bushier features, bigger ears, wider set eyes, and a larger mouth. Ironically, though he was a body builder, his jaw actually seems a little less developed in the photo than Grant's, though perhaps age has something to do with it. There's a smarmy look to Connery's eyes (which he used to great effect not just in Bond but in most roles he had during the era) that give him a cockier, more predatory quality than Grant, even when Grant played the villain and projected darkness.

    Actors say a lot with their eyes, and the ability to project those inner qualities becomes the hallmark of their performances, but casting directors in the studio system, where it was expected actors would fit into certain "types." looked for both inner and outer characteristics natural to the actors. Think about how, say, Jack Nicholson, for instance, always has a kind of manic quality in his eyes that have defined him, or Robert DeNiro always looks suspicious.

    Today, the popular thinking is that the actor is merely a blank canvas who then becomes a character, but one of the reasons I don't buy a lot of performances by contemporary actors is a lot of them don't escape whatever natural qualities they have to try to become what they think the character is. That's why, for instance, I'd never cast Pierce Brosnan as, say, Atticus Finch, even though Brosnan is also tall, dark-haired, etc. Gregory Peck has everything the character represents, not just in his physical features but in what he seems to project naturally -- intelligence, sensitivity, nobility, fatherhood. Brosnan doesn't. I'd say the same for Tom Cruise, who's made an entire career out of playing the same hyper, arrogant guy in every movie he's made. But at least he accepts his limitations.

    Before anyone says that's a fluke because Peck was born to play that role, I'd say he was equally effective as Keith Mallory in The Guns of Navarone and as Joe Bradley in Roman Holiday. There's a kind of calm decency that resides in Peck that comes out in his performances, even if the characters are edgier. It helps that he's an almost impossibly handsome man, like a statue, but it also explains why he falters when trying to play characters with truly dark qualities and is rarely successful, the successes only happening when he's very young (Duel in the Sun) and very old (The Boys from Brazil), where the entire production is weighted toward propping up the performances. He still had to work hard against type. When he tries to play characters that are much muddier internally, especially later in his career, it just doesn't work (I Walk the Line is a good example).

    These may all seem trivial, almost inconceivable distinctions, but like I said, they're what keep the wannabes from being the real thing. It's why there will only ever be one Sean Connery, Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant, or John Wayne but plenty of imitators that fall far short. At the same time, I could exchange Matt Damon for practically any white actor of average proportions and get pretty much the same effect.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 5:05am Posts: 2,158
    I think Sean Connery's facial type is similar to Dana Andrews, Richard Burton & Stephen Boyd ...all actors from the golden era of Hollywood before Connery. So I don't think Connery's face was entirely out of place.
  • edited 8:28am Posts: 1,407
    He was Gable/Cary Grant type.

    Here's a photo of Grant and Connery that shows what might be considered subtle but meaningful differences that casting people, in particular, would be looking for, even if the men are relatively similar physical types.

    Eg-QEpg9-Wo-AAx-U1c.jpg

    Both are tall, dark-haired, handsome, and Caucasian, with no obvious physical flaws, but you can see that Connery has a pointier, slightly less refined nose and profile, bushier features, bigger ears, wider set eyes, and a larger mouth. Ironically, though he was a body builder, his jaw actually seems a little less developed in the photo than Grant's, though perhaps age has something to do with it. There's a smarmy look to Connery's eyes (which he used to great effect not just in Bond but in most roles he had during the era) that give him a cockier, more predatory quality than Grant, even when Grant played the villain and projected darkness.

    Actors say a lot with their eyes, and the ability to project those inner qualities becomes the hallmark of their performances, but casting directors in the studio system, where it was expected actors would fit into certain "types." looked for both inner and outer characteristics natural to the actors. Think about how, say, Jack Nicholson, for instance, always has a kind of manic quality in his eyes that have defined him, or Robert DeNiro always looks suspicious.

    Today, the popular thinking is that the actor is merely a blank canvas who then becomes a character, but one of the reasons I don't buy a lot of performances by contemporary actors is a lot of them don't escape whatever natural qualities they have to try to become what they think the character is. That's why, for instance, I'd never cast Pierce Brosnan as, say, Atticus Finch, even though Brosnan is also tall, dark-haired, etc. Gregory Peck has everything the character represents, not just in his physical features but in what he seems to project naturally -- intelligence, sensitivity, nobility, fatherhood. Brosnan doesn't. I'd say the same for Tom Cruise, who's made an entire career out of playing the same hyper, arrogant guy in every movie he's made. But at least he accepts his limitations.

    Before anyone says that's a fluke because Peck was born to play that role, I'd say he was equally effective as Keith Mallory in The Guns of Navarone and as Joe Bradley in Roman Holiday. There's a kind of calm decency that resides in Peck that comes out in his performances, even if the characters are edgier. It helps that he's an almost impossibly handsome man, like a statue, but it also explains why he falters when trying to play characters with truly dark qualities and is rarely successful, the successes only happening when he's very young (Duel in the Sun) and very old (The Boys from Brazil), where the entire production is weighted toward propping up the performances. He still had to work hard against type. When he tries to play characters that are much muddier internally, especially later in his career, it just doesn't work (I Walk the Line is a good example).

    These may all seem trivial, almost inconceivable distinctions, but like I said, they're what keep the wannabes from being the real thing. It's why there will only ever be one Sean Connery, Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant, or John Wayne but plenty of imitators that fall far short. At the same time, I could exchange Matt Damon for practically any white actor of average proportions and get pretty much the same effect.

    Cary Grant had a goofy face if you think about It (with that forehead and that chin) but he was pure Hollywood.
    Sure, Roger Moore had a Cómic Book face like ... Rock Hudson, but, man, Connery had a leading man face too.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think Sean Connery and Gary Cooper are also alike. Rugged looks and carefree mannerisms.
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    I think Sean Connery and Gary Cooper are also alike. Rugged looks and carefree mannerisms.

    John Mclusky's James Bond looked like Cooper in the early comic strips.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 9:58am Posts: 2,158
    I think Sean Connery and Gary Cooper are also alike. Rugged looks and carefree mannerisms.

    John Mclusky's James Bond looked like Cooper in the early comic strips.

    Exactly! I had that in mind too. McLusky's James Bond indeed looks like Cooper, yet one can still see Connery in it as well.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think Sean Connery and Gary Cooper are also alike. Rugged looks and carefree mannerisms.

    John Mclusky's James Bond looked like Cooper in the early comic strips.

    Exactly! I had that in mind too. McLusky's James Bond indeed looks like Cooper, yet one can still see Connery in it as well.

    And, to be fair, Daniel Craig too to my eye.

    I think it's quite interesting to compare Connery to Cary Grant, as even though Connery is great, I don't think that, in his first Bond films especially, he was quite on the same level of charisma and presence as Grant in the 50s. He certainly got there, arguably by his mid Bonds, but especially by the 80s and 90s.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 11:35am Posts: 2,158
    mtm wrote: »
    I think Sean Connery and Gary Cooper are also alike. Rugged looks and carefree mannerisms.

    John Mclusky's James Bond looked like Cooper in the early comic strips.

    Exactly! I had that in mind too. McLusky's James Bond indeed looks like Cooper, yet one can still see Connery in it as well.

    And, to be fair, Daniel Craig too to my eye.

    I think it's quite interesting to compare Connery to Cary Grant, as even though Connery is great, I don't think that, in his first Bond films especially, he was quite on the same level of charisma and presence as Grant in the 50s. He certainly got there, arguably by his mid Bonds, but especially by the 80s and 90s.

    Yeah, you're right @mtm There's Craig's Bond in McLusky's comic strips too. Also, the squint of McLusky's Bond has a Brosnan look to him. You could say all the Bonds fit into McLusky's work. Just that some are more prominent than others. All six Bonds also fit into Yaroslav Horak's James Bond comics. But Horak's James Bond is where you see more of Lazenby, Moore & Dalton.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 12:28pm Posts: 16,548
    Yeah agreed, Horak's is a bit more of a smoother handsome chap, I might say a little more Dalton perhaps.

    McLusky goes quite wide/oval faced (his Bond actually reminds me most of a young Charles Bronson - like he is in Great Escape) whereas Horak goes more long-faced, perhaps even a bit more like Fleming himself.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,158
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah agreed, Horak's is a bit more of a smoother handsome chap, I might say a little more Dalton perhaps.

    McLusky goes quite wide/oval faced (his Bond actually reminds me most of a young Charles Bronson - like he is in Great Escape) whereas Horak goes more long-faced, perhaps even a bit more like Fleming himself.

    Very true. I'm also seeing the Charles Bronson thing now too. Bronson with his antihero face and handsome in an unconventional way.
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    I think if this conversation says anything it’s how malleable James Bond can be even purely in terms of appearance, and even with those more ‘classic’ depictions of the character.
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    For me, it's really between Jacob Elordi and Harris Dickinson

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    I think Elordi would make a very credible Bond, he has the looks and charisma (ironically, to me he looks a bit like fellow Australian George Lazenby.)

    My only concern is maybe he's a little bit too famous? Or is that really a problem in this day and age?
  • edited 1:46pm Posts: 4,258
    I don’t think Elordi’s fame is a problem in and of itself. He’s not attached to any other big franchise/character like Superman, and he’s what I would term an established character actor, mostly having starred in dramas rather than big budget flicks. He’s relatively famous but that fame tends to be more particular to younger audiences (below 35 let’s say) based on some of the stuff he’s starred in (Euphoria etc). I’m sure outside certain circles a lot wouldn’t immediately know who he is (so he’s not at Tom Cruise/Brad Pitt levels of fame). All that’s a plus incidentally when casting the next Bond. The public can easily view them as James Bond, and a younger lead with a certain fan base would be good for the next film. Dickinson is very comparable.

    That said I think Elordi’s all wrong for the part and I doubt he’d do it. Dickinson I think could potentially be a really interesting Bond (slightly different to Craig anyway) and I’ve been impressed with a lot of his work.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I don't get the appeal of Elordi, I must say. Dickinson would be a much more palatable choice from the two of them.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,238
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't get the appeal of Elordi, I must say. Dickinson would be a much more palatable choice from the two of them.

    I agree 100% about Elordi; I don’t see it at all.

    As far as Harris, I would have to see more.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited 5:21pm Posts: 40,999
    I like Elordi enough but find him too tall and pretty boy-esque for the role.

    I almost want Paul Mescal to be up for the role so my partner will have a reason to see the next era of Bond films in theaters with me. She's not caught one of them in full before (despite my best efforts) but that'd certainly do it.
  • Posts: 28
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I like Elordi enough but find him too tall and pretty boy-esque for the role.

    I almost want Paul Mescal to be up for the role so my partner will have a reason to see the next era of Bond films in theaters with me. She's not caught one of them in full before (despite my best efforts) but that'd certainly do it.

    Mescal will be too busy being Paul McCartney for the next two years.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,999
    itsraw wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I like Elordi enough but find him too tall and pretty boy-esque for the role.

    I almost want Paul Mescal to be up for the role so my partner will have a reason to see the next era of Bond films in theaters with me. She's not caught one of them in full before (despite my best efforts) but that'd certainly do it.

    Mescal will be too busy being Paul McCartney for the next two years.

    Indeed, but that presumes they're nearly ready to begin the next era of Bond, which I don't believe is true or even close still. I'd like to be wrong though.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 8:47pm Posts: 2,158
    I really think Harris Dickinson might be on Barbara's list. This guy seduced a Hollywood heavyweight like Nicole Kidman, with so much confidence. Plus, he's got that extra charisma that Bond needs.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,238
    I am really unfamiliar with Harris Dickinson; so, as I often do, I like to find an interview. All in all he has a good presence and strong voice.

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