Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Guys as long as cavill is playing superman in the DC cinematic universe he will never play bond plus I doubt eon would want the next bond to be somebody already associated with another iconic character people will be going to the theaters seeing cavill as bond and think oh look superman is playing james bond

    Harrison Ford played two iconic characters at the same time; being Han did not stop them from being cast as Indy. If the want Cavill, Superman will not be an issue.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    But eon have a different perspective on casting bond they pretty much cast actors who are not established movie stars already and actors not associated with another iconic movie character Sean Connery was a complete unknown only known for his role in Darby O Gill and the little people George Lazenby was only known for the fry man commercials and had zero acting Roger Moore was only established as a TV star from shows like the saint and ivanhoe but not known to movie audiences Timothy Dalton was primarily a theater actor Pierce Brosnan was a TV star best known for Remington Steele but not yet an international movie star and Daniel Craig was a respected actor with a good resume but not quite well known to general audiences Cavill is just too much of an established star to be believable as bond same goes for Elba and Hardy
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Anything can happen. Just because those things happened in the past doesn't mean they can't come after Craig's finished. The future is unpredictable.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    While he is in a high profile role I think Cavill is still within the level of actor that would work. EON , for good or bad, has changed their pattern in recent years; they are perusing prestigious directors, composers and actors.
    Cavill is a star but not a superstar; if he fits the direction in which they want to take Bond any other roles he’s played(ing) won’t stop them.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Anything can happen. Just because those things happened in the past doesn't mean they can't come after Craig's finished. The future is unpredictable.
    I agree, the Movie business has also drastically changed in the last two decades. Movie Stars are almost gone, brands and franchises are the Stars now.
    Also people forget that the current EoN (Babs) has only ever cast one guy as Bond, and he was completely out of left field. Theres no telling what they are going to do next.

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    I think someone up and coming is definitely more likely than someone who's appeared in multiple blockbusters but even ignoring how established he is, I just can't see Barbara going for Cavill. He's a bit of a bland mainstream choice imo. Not saying that the next Bond will play it in a similar way to Craig but I do think it'll be someone similarly left field and interesting.

    The natural comparison for Cavill would be Brosnan because they both look the part and people seem to be hoping Cavill would be more traditional, but Brosnan had bucketloads of charm and presence that Cavill just doesn't have imo, he's got a proper old school Hollywood star quality about him. UNCLE was Cavill's chance to prove he had that and for me he just doesn't. Besides, Brosnan was really Cubby's choice, not Barbara's.

    Also, I don't really get why people are clamouring for the next Bond to be a return to a more traditional cinematic one. Well I do get it, but I'm confused, because hasn't Craig pretty much been exactly that in the last two? I don't get how much further some of you want them to take it in that direction in terms of how Bond himself is played. I guess there's still room to go full on Moore, but that'd be a disaster. He was one of a kind.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Frankly i'm just tired of the melodrama. Silva's mommy issues with M. Blofeld's daddy and pseudo brother issues with Bond. Once was fine I guess. twice in a row is exhausting. The this time it's personal story line has run it's course hard into the ground at this point. Bond going rogue for the umpteenth time. It's not new anymore. I'd like Bond to enjoy life a little more, enjoy the finer things. Be a connoisseur once again.

    I'm not asking for Moore 2.0. Perhaps something closer to Dr. No, GoldenEye or Casino Royale. Something that strikes a perfect balance. Also, of all these contemporary actors I've seen suggested, None of them do it for me. Hell even Cavill didn't do it for me back then, but I'd take him above everyone else. A stallion must be broken in first before it can reach its potential.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I still think of the established names, Hemsworth has everything the role requires. He has the physicality, looks and charm.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    @talos7, I guess that means there is only one way to settle it. :))
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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    How cool would that fight be? :D
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    It would be pretty epic. :D
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Roger Moore was only established as a TV star from shows like the saint and ivanhoe but not known to movie audiences
    It was pretty much the same audience.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If Craig and Dalton fits in one category

    And Moore and Brosnan fits in a second category

    I think Bond actor 7 will be more from category B than category A, whoever it ends up being. They simply need someone more naturally enigmatic and charming this time.
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    Roger Moore was only established as a TV star from shows like the saint and ivanhoe but not known to movie audiences
    It was pretty much the same audience.
    Care to elaborate? The one thing that you’re ignoring is that TV actors were pretty much looked down upon and not considered bone fide movie stars back in the 50s. It took both Steve McQueen and Eastwood to break that particular mindset, though it didn’t come easy and it took a great deal longer than you might think. As soon as they made the transition to the big screen, they never returned. Roger Moore was most definitely more comfortable on the small screen and continued to ply his trade with the television networks. Whereas now, TV and cinema audiences are demographically the same. Back in the Fifties and Sixties, TV audiences were mostly stay-at-home types, preferring to avoid the cinemas. Hence why attendances were extremely low during this period. The last thing that they wanted to do was shell out money to see an actor that they could see on TV for nothing.
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    I think someone up and coming is definitely more likely than someone who's appeared in multiple blockbusters but even ignoring how established he is, I just can't see Barbara going for Cavill. He's a bit of a bland mainstream choice imo. Not saying that the next Bond will play it in a similar way to Craig but I do think it'll be someone similarly left field and interesting.

    The natural comparison for Cavill would be Brosnan because they both look the part and people seem to be hoping Cavill would be more traditional, but Brosnan had bucketloads of charm and presence that Cavill just doesn't have imo, he's got a proper old school Hollywood star quality about him. UNCLE was Cavill's chance to prove he had that and for me he just doesn't. Besides, Brosnan was really Cubby's choice, not Barbara's.

    Also, I don't really get why people are clamouring for the next Bond to be a return to a more traditional cinematic one. Well I do get it, but I'm confused, because hasn't Craig pretty much been exactly that in the last two? I don't get how much further some of you want them to take it in that direction in terms of how Bond himself is played. I guess there's still room to go full on Moore, but that'd be a disaster. He was one of a kind.

    Whilst I don’t disagree with you about casting someone up and coming, it backfired spectacularly with Solo. Big studios are in the business to make money, not art. Those days are now long gone. The poor performance of Solo might be enough to make the future Bond studio financing the movies sit up and take notice, albeit more cautious. Bond is not a little art house movie, it costs big bucks and requires promotional advertising (product placement) to offset the huge costs. The next 007 will have to be able to sell Omega watches, Heineken beer and the latest Aston Martin with aplomb as a sideline.
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    There's differences though : Bond movies are not by products of the franchise. The "Star Wars stories" are basically expanded from the core. Han Solo is strongly associated with one famous actor. Also the movie was marred with production issues and came out while the franchise is in the middle of a controversy.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Roger Moore was only established as a TV star from shows like the saint and ivanhoe but not known to movie audiences
    It was pretty much the same audience.
    Care to elaborate? The one thing that you’re ignoring is that TV actors were pretty much looked down upon and not considered bone fide movie stars back in the 50s. It took both Steve McQueen and Eastwood to break that particular mindset, though it didn’t come easy and it took a great deal longer than you might think. As soon as they made the transition to the big screen, they never returned. Roger Moore was most definitely more comfortable on the small screen and continued to ply his trade with the television networks. Whereas now, TV and cinema audiences are demographically the same. Back in the Fifties and Sixties, TV audiences were mostly stay-at-home types, preferring to avoid the cinemas. Hence why attendances were extremely low during this period. The last thing that they wanted to do was shell out money to see an actor that they could see on TV for nothing.

    I don t watch tv now, but I do go to the cinema.

    Back in the 70s, practically everybody had a tv set.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Frankly I want Craig to hold on the role until he's decrepit. Not one of the potentials float my boat. Either they are too bland or hipster waives.
  • edited July 2018 Posts: 12,837
    bondsum wrote: »
    I think someone up and coming is definitely more likely than someone who's appeared in multiple blockbusters but even ignoring how established he is, I just can't see Barbara going for Cavill. He's a bit of a bland mainstream choice imo. Not saying that the next Bond will play it in a similar way to Craig but I do think it'll be someone similarly left field and interesting.

    The natural comparison for Cavill would be Brosnan because they both look the part and people seem to be hoping Cavill would be more traditional, but Brosnan had bucketloads of charm and presence that Cavill just doesn't have imo, he's got a proper old school Hollywood star quality about him. UNCLE was Cavill's chance to prove he had that and for me he just doesn't. Besides, Brosnan was really Cubby's choice, not Barbara's.

    Also, I don't really get why people are clamouring for the next Bond to be a return to a more traditional cinematic one. Well I do get it, but I'm confused, because hasn't Craig pretty much been exactly that in the last two? I don't get how much further some of you want them to take it in that direction in terms of how Bond himself is played. I guess there's still room to go full on Moore, but that'd be a disaster. He was one of a kind.

    Whilst I don’t disagree with you about casting someone up and coming, it backfired spectacularly with Solo. Big studios are in the business to make money, not art. Those days are now long gone. The poor performance of Solo might be enough to make the future Bond studio financing the movies sit up and take notice, albeit more cautious. Bond is not a little art house movie, it costs big bucks and requires promotional advertising (product placement) to offset the huge costs. The next 007 will have to be able to sell Omega watches, Heineken beer and the latest Aston Martin with aplomb as a sideline.

    As @Ludovico said, I think the problem there was that character is so tied to Harrison Ford. It's different to Bond, who's bigger than the actor who plays him. I also think that oversaturation could have played a role there since there have been so many Star Wars films within the last couple of years. I don't watch those films, but from my uninformed outsider perspective, I don't think it's fair to use that as an example of unknown actors in big franchises being a problem.
    Murdock wrote: »
    Frankly i'm just tired of the melodrama. Silva's mommy issues with M. Blofeld's daddy and pseudo brother issues with Bond. Once was fine I guess. twice in a row is exhausting. The this time it's personal story line has run it's course hard into the ground at this point. Bond going rogue for the umpteenth time. It's not new anymore. I'd like Bond to enjoy life a little more, enjoy the finer things. Be a connoisseur once again.

    I'm not asking for Moore 2.0. Perhaps something closer to Dr. No, GoldenEye or Casino Royale. Something that strikes a perfect balance. Also, of all these contemporary actors I've seen suggested, None of them do it for me. Hell even Cavill didn't do it for me back then, but I'd take him above everyone else. A stallion must be broken in first before it can reach its potential.

    The melodrama stuff is down to the scripts though, not the sort of actor they cast and how he plays the role. I guess the actor gives an indication of what direction they're going with it, but again, I'd say Craig enjoyed life plenty in the last two especially, and has always been a connoiseur. I get some of the issues that people have with the recent scripts, but I don't get where the mopey emo Bond complaints are coming from. He was in a rut in SF but was back to cracking one liners in no time, and there was no moping at all in SP.
    royale65 wrote: »
    Frankly I want Craig to hold on the role until he's decrepit. Not one of the potentials float my boat. Either they are too bland or hipster waives.

    I agree that's true of most of them (one or two suggestions I've found interesting), but I still think Craig should leave after Bond 25. He's been Bond for way too long imo. I think Boyle will do wonders to make things fresh and exciting again, but they still need new blood after this one, even if most of the potentials suggested on here do seem pretty dire.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    The melodrama stuff is down to the scripts though, not the sort of actor they cast and how he plays the role. I guess the actor gives an indication of what direction they're going with it, but again, I'd say Craig enjoyed life plenty in the last two especially, and has always been a connoiseur. I get some of the issues that people have with the recent scripts, but I don't get where the mopey emo Bond complaints are coming from. He was in a rut in SF but was back to cracking one liners in no time, and there was no moping at all in SP.

    Your not wrong of course. The writing has been a problem since QOS really. And you are right. Craig does enjoy life but to me at least it seems very rare. I can't really recall him being a connoiseur though aside from when he has the Vesper made for the first time. But my point still stands. Post Craig I would like a more balanced Bond more fun and adventure with a good balance of drama. No melodrama and super personal stories for at least a decade or two.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    With TLD, GE and CR, we have always seen a noticeable improvement on the writing and story side of things once a new actor steps in. You simply can't recreate the same sense of freshness that you get with some entirely new and different. I don't think tenures going over a decade is a good idea for this precise reason.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    That's why it's essential they get back on the every other year schedule. These constant 3/4 years waits are hurting Bond a lot.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    That's why it's essential they get back on the every other year schedule. These constant 3/4 years waits are hurting Bond a lot.

    Couldn't agree more. The only glimmer of hope I see that happening is if Universal or Annapurna were to jump start the series after B25 is released and get things back on track.
    Sadly, I don't honestly see that happening considering B25 is most likely Craig's last outing. I'm guessing after B25 we're in for at least another 4 years before B26 comes around.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    Cavill answers the question about Bond:

    https://youtu.be/YhPV61vSvLg?t=0m50s
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Glad he's still interested. :D
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    From an interview...

    All this talk of licenses makes for the perfect segue. What about playing a certain British agent who has a license to kill? Ten years ago, the choice for the new James Bond was reportedly down to Cavill and Daniel Craig, with Craig getting the nod. Would Cavill be interested if opportunity knocks?
    “I would be very excited to explore that option if it were to come around again and I were to have an opportunity to sit down with [Bond producers] Mike Wilson and Barbara Broccoli,” says Cavill. “I would relish that opportunity.”
  • 00Agent wrote: »
    You must have skipped all the trailers? Because i bet you 10 Dollars Cavill will not make it out of that Movie alive.
    Which would at least make him free for Bond.

    I saw the trailer when it first came out. I don't remember seeing a spoiler in it that he dies. What's the reference that you're talking about?

    My guess has been that Cavill's character is basically "Ethan meets his match," and then he turns out to be good. And at the end of the movie he is recruited to be in the MI force, setting him up to be in future films, or possibly to star in them since Cruise is getting old. Otherwise the choice to cast a younger handsome man that always comes across as a good guy as the villain, when his youth and looks would upstage Cruise, just seems a bit strange. Unless they were looking for his replacement (which you'd think that they would be).

    Oh well, just a theory. I guess we'll see pretty soon. Oh yeah, and that character name, August Walker. That's a hero's name if I've ever heard one. And I remember hearing about how Cavill asked to do his own stunts for the movie, as if he was auditioning to take over, to show that he could do action. But like I said, we'll see.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Frankly i'm just tired of the melodrama. Silva's mommy issues with M. Blofeld's daddy and pseudo brother issues with Bond. Once was fine I guess. twice in a row is exhausting. The this time it's personal story line has run it's course hard into the ground at this point. Bond going rogue for the umpteenth time. It's not new anymore. I'd like Bond to enjoy life a little more, enjoy the finer things. Be a connoisseur once again.

    I'm not asking for Moore 2.0. Perhaps something closer to Dr. No, GoldenEye or Casino Royale. Something that strikes a perfect balance. Also, of all these contemporary actors I've seen suggested, None of them do it for me. Hell even Cavill didn't do it for me back then, but I'd take him above everyone else. A stallion must be broken in first before it can reach its potential.

    The melodrama stuff is down to the scripts though, not the sort of actor they cast and how he plays the role. I guess the actor gives an indication of what direction they're going with it, but again, I'd say Craig enjoyed life plenty in the last two especially, and has always been a connoiseur. I get some of the issues that people have with the recent scripts, but I don't get where the mopey emo Bond complaints are coming from. He was in a rut in SF but was back to cracking one liners in no time, and there was no moping at all in SP.
    He wasn't enjoying himself that much in Sf, really. In Sp, sure. It's not just about having one liners, it's about what the actor does with them. He was a bit flat in Sf, in my opinion.

    On a script level, I would imagine a great deal of the 'emo Bond complaints' have to do with the fact Bond sheds tears at the end of Sf. That's bound to make an impression on a long-time Bond fan. I'm ambivalent toward that scene. Not convinced it works. Not with tears, anyway.

    royale65 wrote: »
    Frankly I want Craig to hold on the role until he's decrepit. Not one of the potentials float my boat. Either they are too bland or hipster waives.
    I'm skeptical of all these people, as well. Turner, Norton, Cavill, and especially O'Connell. Though I concede I might be wrong, as one can't fully judge an actor's suitability to a role based on their previous work or even on the way they appear to be in interviews, premieres, etc. There is always room for surprise.

    So, skeptical, but I'll be glad to be proven wrong by whoever they chose if they pick him from among the expected candidates.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    There's differences though : Bond movies are not by products of the franchise. The "Star Wars stories" are basically expanded from the core. Han Solo is strongly associated with one famous actor. Also the movie was marred with production issues and came out while the franchise is in the middle of a controversy.
    Rogue One was also marred with production issues not too dissimilar to Solo so I wouldn’t necessarily bring that into the equation. As for replacing an old actor with a fresh face, I thought modern audiences were sophisticated and embraced remakes/redos or reimaginings? Also, for the young cinemagoer Craig is very much their Bond so a misstep in central casting could have the same consequences. I’m not saying that you’re wrong as I don’t honestly know the answer. That’s for those on the Disney board to root out and make excuses for. To be fair, there’s a lot of differences between Solo and Bond but they both share the same high costs and changing audience perceptions and expectations. As much as I like Ehrenreich the actor, he wasn’t close enough of a fit in personality or delivery to the original actor, which might have turned a lot of people off. Nevertheless, it flopped and that will be a big worry for executives spending large sums of money on a rebooted franchise going into the future.
  • edited July 2018 Posts: 3,333
    @HarmonyRockets could well be right. Cavill might be the new face of MI. It could be misdirection that we think his character is the villain. Until we see the movie, we don’t actually know for sure. Though judging from his keen interest in still playing 007, I doubt he’ll be attached to the next MI movie.
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