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IF Bond #25 turns up as critically acclaimed as SF and CR, then by jolly the discussion will become interesting in here :-). I do think that Craig's confirmation that his 5th will be his final, could actually result in extra creativity and incentive, like when Bond actors do their very first film. Because let's face it, none of Craig's predecessors had a proper send-off.
Sometimes these things are outside one's control. It's more a function of timing than egos and best intentions.
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No Bond film is forgotten by everyone.
The only way I can see this without the revenge angle is A) bond realizes he can't settle down and leaves swann sometime in the middle of the first act or B) she is secretly evil...
Neither is compelling or interesting
Although CR is my favourite Craig film, I'd prefer to Bond 25 to be closer to QoS in terms of the themes and how it explored Bond's character but more noticeably Bondian in terms of style and execution.
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I'm glad P&W don't come on here. Otherwise both of you should be asking for credit and writing royalties
She's currently not listed among the attendees at London or Toronto, not sure about Telluride.
This almost sounds....neo-nationalist. My first language is Dutch for instance. But because of that we.....don't understand certain things that you do :-)?
You are correct, sir. Carry on. Nothing to see here.
Fleming's Bond had Sex for Breakfast. :) The majority of Bond movie watches want bond girls and the charm that Beds them.
I don't care if Craig doesn't like his Bond sleeping around.IMO
Does he think Fleming's bond wrong in that respect ?
How can Bond in Spectre fall in love with Swann who has no personality ? IMO
Do you?
Or Bond leaves Swann off-screen, before the film begins, and during the movie we come to understand why things didn't work out between them. At any rate, the way the character is handled does not necessarily have to be interesting; the goal could be merely to find a reasonable way of getting her out of the way for the new film (if that's what the filmmakers want).
Let's bring in a real woman the DC Bond could fall for; or bring back Camille, for B25...
The two are brought together to bring down Blofeld, but feelings from QOS are reignited.
At the mid-point mark, Bunt/blofeld assassinate Camille, then we can have the last half being an adaptation of YOLT...
Hmmm how could they effectively bring back camille and for what reason
She's in Telluride.
What's Bond been doing for six-seven years? Has he been out of the service for that long?... And if so, what would a man like that be doing?... Without mentioning Swann, DC Bond, like the literary one, would be gambling and drinking most hours away, while indulging in wealthy, married wives for some uncomplicated affairs.
Meanwhile, what's Blofeld been doing for the six-to-seven years he's been incarcerated? I'd like to see that he's evolved into a wild, violent animal, as his megalomaniacal ambitions have grown to perverse levels. He's so dangerous, he's been locked in solitary.
However, he's still been dripping out orders to his SP operatives, keeping the organization very much running, and biding his time... Solitary confinement gives a man like this time to plan "the Big One", down to the final "T".
How does he get bust out of jail?... Perhaps there's a special hearing? The government is deciding to transfer him to another facility (a mental institution?)-- and this is when his break-out occurs.
Once he escapes, he must strike back at the people responsible for his capture, including Bond. As he may explain at one point-- SPECTRE stands for SPecial Executive for Counterintelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion.
He wants to go heavy on the revenge and plots some kind of ticking-time bomb event, to shake the bushes of his enemies, as it were...
Bond, living on some far away island is living off the grid, but it's Camille that tracks him down. For whatever reason, she knows Bond can help her. She's the catalyst that pulls him into the bigger story.
Bond knows now that his country needs him, and, after initially turning his back on everything Camille says, is dragged back into the service. This is his call to adventure, and he knows it could very well be his last (as the stakes have to be high; and he's been out of the service for far too long).
He and Camille work together as spies, tracking down Blofeld and trying to stop whatever the Big Plan is, and, through this adventure, feelings from QoS bubble to the surface.
Maybe by the beginning of ACT THREE, Bond and Camille actually thwart Blofeld's Big Plan, and the story, they think, is over. Celebrating by indulging in each other, they don't realize that Blofeld's lead assassin, Irma Bunt, has tracked them down and attempts to kill them.
She successfully takes out Camille, with Bond barely escaping. This opens up a third act where Bond tracks down Blofeld to exact his revenge...
I don't know, JBKenya, it's just a swirling idea, held together by very loose strings, that is beginning to sound like bad fan-lit! In the end, i'd love to NEVER hear about Maddy ever again, and, since I love Camille, I'd love to see her return, as I would Felix Leiter. I'd also like to see a massive plan coming from Blofeld, who's become sick and twisted from years in solitary, but his evil plans have only grown larger and more sophisticated, and more sadistic. A ticking time bomb-type of plan where every second has to count. And finally, DC Bond ends by taking out his nemesis once and for all, and, at the end, he may watch his own funeral, since everyone thought he did die in this last mission.
MP, at the ceremony, feels eyes on her. Turning around, she catches a glimpse of a battered figure limping away and disappearing over a hill. She knows it's Bond, but lets him go.
Close off the Craig era and move into the new era...
Forget me saying fan-lit... This is more like fan-porn... Anyways, those are some things I'd like to see, but it also shows how bloody difficult it is to come up with a good story. So best of luck goes out to P&W and the script doctors that will surely be on board before too long!!
Just three words: no personal angles!!!
Fleming conceived Bond as a professional just doing his job. Coincidentally that's exactly the 007 I happen to like and even love.
In my fan-porn above, I try and steer away from personal stakes, but, there's an element to action-thrillers nowadays to have both external stakes and internal (personal stakes).
The trick is how to weave these things into a great big story.
I think DIE HARD does this best. McClane's big, personal stake, is that he's actually trying to save his marriage. By saving Holly, and himself, he can finally reconcile with his wife-- something he couldn't do until Hans Gruber came into his life. But, this angle is not over-wrought. It's part of the sub-text of an amazing action film.
That's what B25 will have to do-- have the personal stakes, but weave it and embed it into the narrative where it adds layers to the story, not take us out of the story through melodrama.
I actually quite like what you've come up with there. I think anyone thinking that they are going to jettison the personal element from the final DC film is living in cloud cuckoo land, irregardless of whether they like the sound of it and are sick of it.
It's been one of the hallmarks of the DC era since CR, to be honest a good percentage loved it me included that Bond good be seen as three dimensional character and not just a cool type spy who rarely bleeds etc.
Though the personal element that the films started to explore in SF and then dive into with SPECTRE went too far.
Bond 25 will I think acknowledge SP but not explicitly ( I hope not anyway) and what you put together there seems an option for DC to go out on.
I'd be happy with Camile coming back as well much more than seeing Seydoux sleep walk through Swann again.
I think they can acknowledge it didn't work and having Bond having gone off the grid and coming back I think is something that would make sense in the context of the last film, it happend off screen how Bond got to this point, we don't need to see it but return to him when he's at this moment.
I think they will want to put a full stop on this era, no don't kill Bond but give the impression it's done like Nolan did in TDKR, don't ape that but in a way that says to the audience this time line is finished and then in big capital letters make it clear when the new Bond takes over that this is a new Bond, not an origin but possibly a recast of all the characters is in order.
I don't think we'll get a standalone or a big battle finale like I would like to finish the DC era off and I can see some kind of YOLT element playing into this as well.
I'm afraid that although I agree with you, we're going to have to wait for the recast before they get things back in order. B25 will continue with DC Bond's journey, including more introspection.
Unfortunately, they already did that with SP. Many (including quite a few on this thread, myself included) felt that the SP ending mirrored the TDKR one, with Bond on his way out into the sunset for a life of peace with his intended. To go down that path again would just be a repeat. So I hope they take a different approach. I'd prefer a more inconclusive and downbeat ending. It would be fitting closure to this 'realistic' iteration.
This has been a great run, with the hiccup being SP. However, they actually have a chance to right the wrongs and blow the doors off of Craig's last chapter. Going in, this must be creatively exciting for the team.
Babs and Co are very sophisticated and intelligent people. If most of us realized that something was "off" about the last effort, then they certainly do, and moreso too. And they're in the business of making magic happen. My gut's saying they will put their best foot forward into making this happen.
Of course, can't please everyone all of the time, and there will be people who won't like B25, right off the hop (as we're already seeing with some comments). But that's the business of movie-making: hopefully more people will like the film than not (and return for repeat viewings!)....
Unfortunately, they already did that with SP. Many (including quite a few on this thread, myself included) felt that the SP ending mirrored the TDKR one, with Bond on his way out into the sunset for a life of peace with his intended. To go down that path again would just be a repeat. So I hope they take a different approach. I'd prefer a more inconclusive and downbeat ending. It would be fitting closure to this 'realistic' iteration.[/quote]
I think as you did some did get that idea but personally I did not see it has definitive as Nolan did with TDKR.
A downbeat ending would be fine by me and like you say appropiate to this era.
Something like @peter proposed, it's all ready better than the mess we got previously, I really like bringing Camile back as well.
I am still keen on my idea of a tense dialogue heavy PTS with Bond visting Blofeld in prison though, something akin to CR in not being action heavy or epic, just both actors getting a chance to deliver on the promise that we expected with putting these 2 actors together.
I think DC and CW will realise they've got something to prove this time round.