No Time To Die: Production Diary

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    Bond and Madeleine get married. Madeleine gets Bond to go to yoga classes with her, he assumes the name Sri Bondananthashwara, and in short order he achieves Vinyasa Flow Level Three. But Madeleine gets herpes from a yoga mat, and she dies. Bond investigates and learns that the mat had been saturated with a highly-mutated and toxic form of the virus by the yoga instructor, who works for SPECTRE in the Phys Ed department, that's what the "PE" now stands for. Bond and the instructor then face off on the ledge of the ashram in a desperate one-to-one yoga competition. But I don't want to tell you who wins.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Thrasos wrote: »
    Bond and Madeleine get married. Madeleine gets Bond to go to yoga classes with her, he assumes the name Sri Bondananthashwara, and in short order he achieves Vinyasa Flow Level Three. But Madeleine gets herpes from a yoga mat, and she dies. Bond investigates and learns that the mat had been saturated with a highly-mutated and toxic form of the virus by the yoga instructor, who works for SPECTRE in the Phys Ed department, that's what the "PE" now stands for. Bond and the instructor then face off on the ledge of the ashram in a desperate one-to-one yoga competition. But I don't want to tell you who wins.

    No, Madeline has an affair with the hot indian yoga instructor named franz mc im not drno mc retard.

  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Thrasos wrote: »
    Bond and Madeleine get married. Madeleine gets Bond to go to yoga classes with her, he assumes the name Sri Bondananthashwara, and in short order he achieves Vinyasa Flow Level Three. But Madeleine gets herpes from a yoga mat, and she dies. Bond investigates and learns that the mat had been saturated with a highly-mutated and toxic form of the virus by the yoga instructor, who works for SPECTRE in the Phys Ed department, that's what the "PE" now stands for. Bond and the instructor then face off on the ledge of the ashram in a desperate one-to-one yoga competition. But I don't want to tell you who wins.

    Yoga Only Live Twice
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    "You only pose twice, Mr. Bond."
  • Downward Dog is Forever
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    edited September 2017 Posts: 732
    I am not in the "Please-Madeleine-Never-Again"-camp because I am sure with a good script that character could be fleshed out way more and thus the audience would care about what happens to her (and Bond) ... right now rightfully so nobody does because she and her relationship with Bond are underdeveloped in SP.

    Taking my own ideas/hopes and what has been tossed around here from others I guess it will be something like this:

    - Have to keep trademarks of the DC Bond era: Drama elements, great physicality, Continuity
    - Elements of OHMSS (Bonds in a serious relationship, Vespers grave, tragic loss)
    - Elements of (novel) MR (many great things in here: Card game, Rocket base, Gala Brand)
    - Elements of YOLT (Blofeld in a hideout, possibly Garden Of Death in modernized form)
    - Bring back Felix Leiter (definitely)

    If I could set the story cornerstones based on the list above:

    PTS:
    - Continue from SP, Bond joined MI5 (so he is in the country with Madeleine and still it would make some sense given his background).

    - Serious relationship with Madeleine, Bond helping M in the club (card game) where parts of the story unfold (mysterious character cheating the club).

    - Club meeting aftermath (Henchman waiting for Bond in his Appartement?) [+ Action sequence]

    Main Story:

    - Bond gets a new assignment to investigate a case of connected stealings of sensitive material (weapon parts of any kind: a McGuffin, basically) and teams up with Gala Brand (of MI5, too)

    - Investigations in some kind of UK-based institute where Bond meets Irma Bunt , technological lead there

    - Connections to mysterious person at M's club unfolds when suddenly Bond is contacted by Felix Leiter because the CIA seems to be on a case connected to Bond's.

    - Sudden "Accident" to Madeleine in her car (maybe have even Bunt be involved in the car accident appearing as just a tragic coincidence) - traces lead to mysterious person's company which is owner of the car involved in Madeleine's "accident" [+ Action sequence]

    - Company gets bankrupt - officially due to the stealings

    - M attends Madeleine's funeral and Bond learns that a bigger case unfolds and M recruits Bond back for MI-6

    - Traces lead to Latin America where Felix and Bond meet Camille. CIA and local intelligence Camille is working for lead to some kind of factory/HQ where stolen material is collected and combined with stuff stolen elsewhere in the world, joining the traces Felix/CIA and Bond/MI5/MI6 were following [+ Action sequence] [This whole sequence can also play anywhere and a different character in place of Camille but I would like it, personally and yet more continuity from the DC 007 films]

    - Global threat shows up (Let the authors be creative - maybe some kind of TB/YOLT (movie) mixture for the threat ?

    - Threats lead to other country (Japan or somewhere else 007 has not been before)

    - Bond finds sister company associated with UK-based company, finding Irma Bunt

    - MI6 brings in Gala Brand because of her cover back in UK investigations to infiltrate sister company

    - Bond learns about the shadowy owner of all companies being located in some kind of strange hideout (Garden Of Death comes into the play)

    - Bond, Felix and Gala Brand on their tracks find information combined unfolds that origins of global threat lead to the hideout of company owner / Irma Bunt

    - Bond breaks into hideout, uncovers commando for global threat lies there

    - Classic Bond scenes of villain explaining plans, wants to kill the girl, big action sequence, Bond gets the girl

    I would sincerely hope for something like that. I would keep all trademarks of the DC era (connection between movies, drama, hard-boiled action), base it on unused Fleming elements plus cornerstones of the beloved Bond-formula, still a real case. I would sprinkle in some aspects I personally would like to see, too which are some kind of underwater sequences plus exploring the actual locations a bit more.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    If this plot leak is remotely true then...

    0Zc7f4d.gif

    EoN, just go home.
  • Posts: 4,044
    If Craig were to do two more, they could do a standalone mission which gives time for the Bond - Madeline relationship to be built up. Then go for YOLT in 26.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I don't think Craig is doing two more.
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    That doesn't help matters. It makes it another rush
  • Posts: 4,603
    What this thread proves is that its easy to create a character but much harder to write them out. Ms Swann is a pain in the backside and whatever the writers do, there will be fans who hate the way her character was handled.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 19,339
    I think the PTS of BOND25 should be CraigBond cleaning his SF shotgun,it goes off,and splats Madeleine's head all over the wall.

    Bond shrugs and says "Just isn't my day,is it " and heads off back to MI6 .
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 1,031
    People on here are starting to sound like the people who run the Daniel Craig Is Not Bond website with all this negativity

    http://danielcraigisnotbond.com/index/blog/2017/08/26/fans-of-mediocrity-rejoice/
  • Scrolling through all of your ideas and suggestions, which can be summarized as ' more melodrama and more brooding, makes me realize in which dour corner the Bond movies have painted themselves. What a terrible sad state of affairs.
    P.S.: at the risk of insulting some of you, none of the ideas I have read had only a trace of originality in it and I really don't understand the urge to make a franchise that was known and loved in the past for his upbeat hero a permanent depressing affair.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 4,603
    I was looking again at Spectre and thinking that a nice twist would be that Lucia was actually a high up Spectre agent and set Bond up for the meeting. This would explain how easily she was seduced and how easily she supplied the intel. Also fits in with "I've been expecting you" as he arranged the set up.

    There was also something "Cruella de Vi" about her so pretty easy to imagine her "on the dark side". Once Bond found this out, he would be angry at her and himself so you have the in built revenge as a plot line (plus the back story that he really did fancy her so we have the mutual sexual chemistry)

    So getting her back as a Spectre agent is interesting IMHO

    BUT we do have the small issue of the two guys that Bond shot in her house. Not sure how that works. Any ideas? Did Lucia sacrifice them (they were never going to shoot her) to give Bond the impression that she was a Spectre target?
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    patb wrote: »
    I was looking again at Spectre and thinking that a nice twist would be that Lucia was actually a high up Spectre agent and set Bond up for the meeting. This would explain who easily she was seduced and how easily she supplied the intel. Also fits in with "I've been expecting you" as he arranged the set up.

    There was also something "Cuelle de Vi" about her so pretty easy to imagine her "on the dark side". Once Bond found this out, he would be angry at her and himself so you have the in built revenge as a plot line (plus the back story that he really did fancy her so we have the mutual sexual chemistry)

    So getting her back as a Spectre agent is interesting IMHO

    BUT we do have the small issue of the two guys that Bond shot in her house. Not sure how that works. Any ideas? Did Lucia scaiafice them (they were never going to shoot her) to give Bond the impression that she was a Spectre target?

    Interesting idea @patb .

    Lucia could kill Madeleine,she could be a modern day Irma Bundt,on the orders of Blofeld,from his prison cell perhaps.

    Lucia would be trusted by Bond for sure,he could well let his guard down,now he is retiring.

    I quite like that one !! Well done,matey.

  • edited September 2017 Posts: 4,603
    If you look at all of her scenes (both), they are very dark and she is dressed in black. We assume of course it's linked with the funeral but we could see he in the next movie and she is still dressed in black. Like a very sexy, middle aged goth!! All the best female bad guys have to have sex appeal as part of the arsenal IMHO as it's one of Bond's weaknesses and the fact they "have history" from Spectre would make their relationship interesting IMHO.

    She was also stupidly underused and some said she was too mature but not too mature to be a Spectre agent as she needs that maturity and gravitas to make a believable top Spectre agent.

    It also fits in with the time line and IF she was responsible for killing Swann (we have the female jealousy /bitchiness coming in - this worked well with Fatima Blush) plus we also make use of the age difference as she is painfully aware that her beauty is fading (as is DC's so the passing of time can be a sublimial theme) and that Swann is younger and Bond's choice.

    So you have the external motivation that she has been order to sort out Bond/Swann from Blofeld but you have the inner personal motivation already set up within the last movie.
  • RC7RC7
    edited September 2017 Posts: 10,512
    Dennison wrote: »
    People on here are starting to sound like the people who run the Daniel Craig Is Not Bond website with all this negativity

    http://danielcraigisnotbond.com/index/blog/2017/08/26/fans-of-mediocrity-rejoice/

    The persistent negativity is certainly disconcerting. It's good to see there are a certain few here who very much hate SP, but are maintaining an air of optimism re. B25. I mean, why not?

    I do question why some choose to frequent this board when it is abundantly clear they despise the current era, or at the very least the last five years, and see the future as unstoppably bleak.

    Ironically the sense of depression they so desperately want to see eradicated from the series is the very same they pedal on here. Reading some of the comments you'd think the Craig era was some sort of Lars Von Trier nightmare.

    Lighten up, people. We know nothing of story or tone yet.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 386
    No, we know nothing of the story or tone yet but I hope B25 is on the rousing end of the spectrum.

    TSWLM had a tone I think they could aspire to.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    GetCarter wrote: »
    No, we know nothing of the story or tone yet but I hope B25 is on the rousing end of the spectrum.

    TSWLM had a tone I think they could aspire to.

    I don't really mind what they go for as long as it's thrilling. TSWLM fits that criteria, but films like OHMSS also do.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,996
    Dennison wrote: »
    People on here are starting to sound like the people who run the Daniel Craig Is Not Bond website with all this negativity

    http://danielcraigisnotbond.com/index/blog/2017/08/26/fans-of-mediocrity-rejoice/

    God, what a dumb website. Can't believe it's still going. Would have thought it would have closed when Craig proved just how much of a bloody good James Bond he was.

    Everyone seems to be taking this 'leak' about the plot as verbatim. Even though it's just tabloid gossip.

    It certainly could be true with regards to what direction the plot will take but it's hardly suprising from what we saw in SP.

    But if it is an adaptation of YOLT then I think it could be something special. Especially if it's along the same lines as the Casino Royale adaptation.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Dennison wrote: »
    People on here are starting to sound like the people who run the Daniel Craig Is Not Bond website with all this negativity

    http://danielcraigisnotbond.com/index/blog/2017/08/26/fans-of-mediocrity-rejoice/
    No, they don't seem like that at all.

    What people are doing here is discussing their wishes for B25, which is quite different from that website.
    patb wrote: »
    If you look at all of her scenes (both), they are very dark and she is dressed in black. We assume of course it's linked with the funeral but we could see he in the next movie and she is still dressed in black. Like a very sexy, middle aged goth!! All the best female bad guys have to have sex appeal as part of the arsenal IMHO as it's one of Bond's weaknesses and the fact they "have history" from Spectre would make their relationship interesting IMHO.

    She was also stupidly underused and some said she was too mature but not too mature to be a Spectre agent as she needs that maturity and gravitas to make a believable top Spectre agent.

    It also fits in with the time line and IF she was responsible for killing Swann (we have the female jealousy /bitchiness coming in - this worked well with Fatima Blush) plus we also make use of the age difference as she is painfully aware that her beauty is fading (as is DC's so the passing of time can be a sublimial theme) and that Swann is younger and Bond's choice.

    So you have the external motivation that she has been order to sort out Bond/Swann from Blofeld but you have the inner personal motivation already set up within the last movie.
    Excellent idea @patb. I agree that she could very well be a villain. It would fit in with standard Bond operating procedure from the old days too.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Amusing reading the contortions people are going through in order to not have Madeleine come back, marry Bond and be murdered by Blofeld.

    I'm pretty sure all three will still happen if they go down the YOLT route though.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I don't think its about "pedalling a sense of depression" so much as being honest and forthright about our thoughts. I'm not sure why only a positive appraisal is worth being voiced, or why we should have to sugarcoat everything. If EON get lazy, they get called out for it. This should be obvious, I don't know why we have to keep having this conversation. Why is it our collective enterprise to set about damage controlling when they mess up? Not everyone is here to cheerlead for EON.
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    How the hell is DCINB still going ,when DC has been so successful and is making a 5th,repeat 5th film ?!

    Madness....
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Good morning all: sitting at the office with a coffee, and our local rag (as reported before, also called The Sun); it's picked up the plot for B25, but has added that things will be "given a dark twist in the upcoming film, called Shatterhand..."

    I just can't believe EoN would be so sloppy as to let this leak. At least last time could be blamed on an aggressive hack. But this is a "leak"... I'm sure ppl who have seen the script had to sign confidentiality waivers... it's a dangerous risk to break that kind of agreement, and, I'm sure, only a few select ppl have had the pleasure of being able to read it, so the leaker wouldn't be hard to track down...

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    barryt007 wrote: »
    How the hell is DCINB still going ,when DC has been so successful and is making a 5th,repeat 5th film ?!

    Madness....
    Same reason the Pierce Brosnan hate is still ongoing among the fandom.
  • Posts: 19,339
    barryt007 wrote: »
    How the hell is DCINB still going ,when DC has been so successful and is making a 5th,repeat 5th film ?!

    Madness....
    Same reason the Pierce Brosnan hate is still ongoing among the fandom.

    True,but that's not a dedicated website .

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    How the hell is DCINB still going ,when DC has been so successful and is making a 5th,repeat 5th film ?!

    Madness....
    Same reason the Pierce Brosnan hate is still ongoing among the fandom.

    True,but that's not a dedicated website .
    Oh believe me, had there been more Brosnan films post-Die Another Day, there would have been one... set up by the "purists".
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited September 2017 Posts: 9,020
    Same reason the Pierce Brosnan hate is still ongoing among the fandom.
    True,but that's not a dedicated website .

    It is. It's called MI6 Community.
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