No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • edited September 2017 Posts: 1,031
    Dennison wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce However, if in the (near) future EON decide that they have enough time, money and energy to make 'Double-0 Agents' spinoff in between the regular Bond films, because the Bond brand is 'under exploited', than it triggers an important question you can see coming a mile way: Why not simply go back to 2 years schedule for Bond films? No-one can tell me it's a better idea that EON should produce spinoffs in between the 4 year gaps between official Bond films instead of just making Bond films on a regular 2 year cycles if they are really keen on making more films.

    Bond, cinema and cinema production does not operate in those every two year cycles anymore. This is down to pure and simple physical and creative practicalities and an evolution and proliferation of other titles jostling for attention.

    Unless you're Star Wars and Marvel? Not sure how you can say that when most franchises are actually releasing films on a yearly basis, if not more than that in one year! There will be 12 Marvel films between 2017 and 2019. Between Spectre and Bond 25 there will have been 6 Star Wars films. Not sure your argument stands up.

    But for the record I understand why a 3-4 year cycle may be preferable for Bond given this kind of landscape.

    The Marvel movies are not made by the same team, producers, production companies and personnel each time. Personally, I am not wholly sure if - as you suggest - Marvel's 12 films in the next two years are a good thing. Too many of those films no longer operate as films anymore, but two hour trade show ads for the times to come. And the current TV fortunes of Marvel are not looking good.

    Why are you listening to him? There aren't 12 movies from Marvel Studios coming out between now and 2019. There are 7. Also Marvel TV has nothing to do with the actual movies, they're a separate entity and as far as the films go many of the same producers work on all if not most of the projects but none if that really matters as it's Kevin Feige heading it all up and working on every single one of them which is the most critical aspect for all of Marvel Studios' continued, influential, unparalleled and growing success.


    It's always worth noting how the use of the phrase "producer" on something like the Marvel Studio output is a hard one to pin down. 'Working on them all' is not at all the same as physically producing them all. And not everyone believes the Marvel movie machine is that "influential" or "unparalleled" right now.

    I agree. But it is still possible to turn a Bond film around in 2 years. QoS came out 2 years after CR even with a writers' strike. Originally it was to come out in May 2008.

    They don't have to have a zillion locations neither to complicate the logictics of filming. Dr. No is largely set in Jamaica and is still one of the best Bond films to date.

    I'm not advocating necessarily 2 year gaps, but what you're saying about it not being possible isn't true. Let's assume Bond 25 is where it is now back in spring 2016 - early script development etc. You could then have had pre-production right through to November 2016. Filming from November 2016 to summer 2017. Post-production for a October/November 2017 release. That is the typical length of pre, prod, and post-prod that Eon typically have.

    Bond 25 is taking a 4 year gap from Spectre for a variety of reasons. No doubt some we are aware of (distributor, possible tension on Spectre set, fraught production, MGW's health, DC needing a breather/getting his teeth into other projects) and some we are not. But the timeline of pre, prod and post isn't what is doubling the gaps between Bonds.

    What I mean is that over the last say 20 years, the actual production timelines of the Bonds has been very similar - the Brosnan Bonds all went into production (barring TND which actually went into production in April!) in January of the year of release.

    It is always advisable to not hold too much reverence to past production timelines and project logistics. And announced production schedules rarely have any bearing on the real working timeline of a movie - that has had a lot of work and man hours put onto the clock way before a "first week of shooting" press call or press release. If those at Bond HQ could bring out a Bond film with more frequency they maybe would. The process of production is important to Bond HQ. The effort and challenge in making the film is key. But so too is quality, industry realities, production specs, finance, creative windows, box-office bench-space and just getting things as right as possible. And all of that is before one looks at how much studio space is needed compared to what is booked in to other productions (as an example, Pinewood is ensconced with multiple Star Wars movies, Disney remakes, Indiana Jones, a possible Jurassic World III etc), what is the availability of key actors (A-listers can have years locked down in the work diaries), what creatives are available at what times, who is already contracted to other projects that could just snap into being, what facilities houses are around, which key trade windows need working around, what others commitments are, what are the logistics of taking hundreds of crew and personnel to any corner of the world, what facilities have to be taken abroad and what are available and then what are the release windows left for that touted year, what are the release windows in every country and every territory of the world and how, when and where is the press tour taking shape. And all that is before a post-theatrical roll out is established and carefully worked on to ensure the home, digital, broadcast and online releases are all maximising the brand and eventual title.

    These things don't take time because time is being wasted or a previous movie's production timescale is being ignored/copied. They take time full stop.

    Pretty much what I Just said -other factors than the production timeline affecting the release of recent Bond films.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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  • bondjames wrote: »
    @Gustav_Graves , I don't think we can tell either way.

    Keep in mind the sequence of recent events. MGM/EON announced the 2019 date only at first, saying that additional announcements, including cast, would come later. Then Craig said he would return on Colbert (after denying it earlier in the day). 007.com confirmed what he said the next day.

    I believe that they will attempt to meet the 2019 date. The only thing that can possibly derail this would be a transformative deal with a studio or an outright sale to a third party, in which case we are due for a very interesting future.

    That's my worry actually @bondjames . I think it could very well be that Warner on one side and MGM/EON on the other side were quite close to agree on a more profitable, lucrative distribution deal (for Warner that is). And then vultures Amazon and Apple came along, who both are, from a financial position as powerful, or even more powerful, than Warner. It worries me.....
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @Gustav_Graves , I don't think we can tell either way.

    Keep in mind the sequence of recent events. MGM/EON announced the 2019 date only at first, saying that additional announcements, including cast, would come later. Then Craig said he would return on Colbert (after denying it earlier in the day). 007.com confirmed what he said the next day.

    I believe that they will attempt to meet the 2019 date. The only thing that can possibly derail this would be a transformative deal with a studio or an outright sale to a third party, in which case we are due for a very interesting future.

    That's my worry actually @bondjames . I think it could very well be that Warner on one side and MGM/EON on the other side were quite close to agree on a more profitable, lucrative distribution deal (for Warner that is). And then vultures Amazon and Apple came along, who both are, from a financial position as powerful, or even more powerful, than Warner. It worries me.....
    I can appreciate your concern @Gustav_Graves, but I don't share it. I was more looking forward to a substantial reset after SP personally, so any delay which potentially changes the approach is something I would favour.

    Moreover, I firmly believe that the current arrangement of MGM/EON/distributor is not healthy in the longer term given competitive pressures, and certainly isn't good for us fans. Anything that changes this dynamic is a positive for me.

    As an example, we had talk earlier of a one picture deal. I certainly wouldn't want to go through this fiasco again in 3 years time.
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    @Gustav_Graves It's time to calm down, Gustav. There is no need to worry, Bond 25 will DEFINITELY be released in 2019. NO MORE DELAYS!
  • @Gustav_Graves It's time to calm down, Gustav. There is no need to worry, Bond 25 will DEFINITELY be released in 2019. NO MORE DELAYS!

    Try to calm down? It seems @bondjames actually favors more delays for Bond 25 from a business perspective. Even if that means that Bond 25 WITH Daniel Craig actually is a smartly written film.

    I prefer BOTH. Keeping Bond 25 on the right scheduled track AND get a more long-term sustainable distribution deal with EON asap. What my major concern is, is that the first won't happen.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    Guys let's look at it this way what if apple and amazon are looking into producing their own tv series of bond and not distributing bond 25 that's how it sounds to me because if warner bros is this close to getting the distribution rights then why would apple and amazon get into the race at the last minute the release date and craig's confirmation for bond 25 have been set so they should have the distribution situation almost settled!
  • Actually, we don't know how settled things are or not. Apparently, MGM and Eon announced a release date without a distribution deal finalized.

    I'm not panicking by any means or expecting a delay. But until that deal gets finalized, (and there's somebody to help write checks for the production), we don't *know.*
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Try to calm down? It seems @bondjames actually favors more delays for Bond 25 from a business perspective. Even if that means that Bond 25 WITH Daniel Craig actually is a smartly written film.
    I don't prefer more delays. However if that's what it takes to get the corporate house in order then so be it. I want that to be the priority.

    I'm not excited to see the much rumoured 'marriage' or 'YOLT adaptation' so it doesn't bother me. If they're not planning to do a follow on story to SP then I favoured a soft reboot anyway.

    2019 is still a go imho. They only announced that less than 2 months ago. Things don't change that quickly.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    TIFF 2017: How Daniel Craig landed his role in the new film Kings
    https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/arts/awards-and-festivals/tiff/tiff-2017-how-daniel-craig-landed-his-role-in-the-new-film-kings/article36227816/?ref=https://www.theglobeandmail.com&

    Craig recently announced that he'll be back in 2019 for a fifth and final turn as the superspy (working title: Bond 25). He has some things he wants to finish with 007. "But I'm not going to tell you what they are," he says, laughing evilly. "That would give it away."

    He insists his reported reluctance to return to the role has been exaggerated: "The Internet is like a noisy pub on a Saturday night. Ninety per cent of what's being said is rubbish. There's a perception that I'm ungrateful, and that's so far from the truth it's laughable. I don't talk to the press a lot. I say things occasionally that I shouldn't say, which is stupid of me. But the timing was right. I'd done Othello, and Steven Soderbergh's movie [Logan Lucky, where he plays a bleached-blond safecracker named Joe Bang], and Deniz's movie, and I was incredibly creatively satisfied. The question of Bond came round, and I said, 'Let's have another go, and see if we can produce something wonderful.'"
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    peter wrote: »
    What I find strange about this report: how is Bond getting married, then his wife killed, anything like TAKEN?

    TAKEN was about Liam Neeson's daughter getting kidnapped and put into the sex trade.

    If B25 is indeed Bond getting married and his wife killed, then it's OHMSS re-dux, not TAKEN.

    What a stupid comparison, and that GQ article perpetuates the rumour. The one accurate statement in it: the lack of chemistry between Lea and DC... If they go this route, and do it with her, ouch...!

    But then again, I still think there's not a way in Hell that EoN would allow this to leak. There have to be only a few people who have seen the script at this point; and they must have signed confidentiality agreements. Tracking down the person who leaked this to the media wouldn't be difficult.

    However, maybe EoN wants this to be leaked as a red herring. That the script is the exact opposite of this; that they've planted a fake story to keep everyone away from what's really happening behind closed doors at EoN?

    Could be possible
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    You guys should check this out good editing its called the James bond sing off

    I absolutely loved that! So funny, and the card game at the start was just brilliant!

    Yeah its pretty well done
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Great find, @Red_Snow.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited September 2017 Posts: 1,165
    Ditto. Thanks for finding that, @Red_Snow

    Certainly paints a different picture of the man than the news tabloids would have you believe.
  • jake24 wrote: »
    Great find, @Red_Snow.

    Indeed.....finally a bit more positive news :-). Keep it going Daniel!
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    BTW, if I get close to Craig on Wednesday, I plan on asking a very brief and simple question (without being pushy obviously) along the lines of "When do you start work on the next Bond?" (unless anyone can think of something better). I'll be sure that his response is recorded.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    jake24 wrote: »
    BTW, if I get close to Craig on Wednesday, I plan on asking a very brief and simple question (without being pushy obviously) along the lines of "When do you start work on the next Bond?" (unless anyone can think of something better). I'll be sure that his response is recorded.

    Given he 100% won't tell you I think your one line might be better employed saying 'For Christ's sake ditch the foster brother crap.'

    Actually quite an interesting idea for a thread:

    'If you were allowed to say one sentence to key people from Bond history what would it be?'
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    jake24 wrote: »
    BTW, if I get close to Craig on Wednesday, I plan on asking a very brief and simple question (without being pushy obviously) along the lines of "When do you start work on the next Bond?" (unless anyone can think of something better). I'll be sure that his response is recorded.

    Given he 100% won't tell you I think your one line might be better employed saying 'For Christ's sake ditch the foster brother crap.'

    Actually quite an interesting idea for a thread:

    'If you were allowed to say one sentence to key people from Bond history what would it be?'
    Found this video from a few years back. Refer to 0:55:



    Don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine he'll respond given a similar context?
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    jake24 wrote: »
    BTW, if I get close to Craig on Wednesday, I plan on asking a very brief and simple question (without being pushy obviously) along the lines of "When do you start work on the next Bond?" (unless anyone can think of something better). I'll be sure that his response is recorded.

    He probably won't tell you anything but I like the question. It's a precision bomb, no beating around the bush.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    BTW, if I get close to Craig on Wednesday, I plan on asking a very brief and simple question (without being pushy obviously) along the lines of "When do you start work on the next Bond?" (unless anyone can think of something better). I'll be sure that his response is recorded.

    Given he 100% won't tell you I think your one line might be better employed saying 'For Christ's sake ditch the foster brother crap.'

    Actually quite an interesting idea for a thread:

    'If you were allowed to say one sentence to key people from Bond history what would it be?'
    Found this video from a few years back. Refer to 0:55:



    Don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine he'll respond given a similar context?

    Think I might have gone with 'Shave that ludicrous tache off'!
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    BTW, if I get close to Craig on Wednesday, I plan on asking a very brief and simple question (without being pushy obviously) along the lines of "When do you start work on the next Bond?" (unless anyone can think of something better). I'll be sure that his response is recorded.

    Given he 100% won't tell you I think your one line might be better employed saying 'For Christ's sake ditch the foster brother crap.'

    Actually quite an interesting idea for a thread:

    'If you were allowed to say one sentence to key people from Bond history what would it be?'
    Found this video from a few years back. Refer to 0:55:



    Don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine he'll respond given a similar context?

    Think I might have gone with 'Shave that ludicrous tache off'!
    Haha, that goes without saying.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited September 2017 Posts: 1,003
    I'd troll him.

    "Daniel will there be a car chase in the next film."

    Just kidding, but you could say

    "Do you start filming Bond within the next 6 months."

    He will either ignore you or give you a yes or no answer?
  • RC7RC7
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    jake24 wrote: »
    BTW, if I get close to Craig on Wednesday, I plan on asking a very brief and simple question (without being pushy obviously) along the lines of "When do you start work on the next Bond?" (unless anyone can think of something better). I'll be sure that his response is recorded.

    Are you on the carpet or in the crowd?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    RC7 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    BTW, if I get close to Craig on Wednesday, I plan on asking a very brief and simple question (without being pushy obviously) along the lines of "When do you start work on the next Bond?" (unless anyone can think of something better). I'll be sure that his response is recorded.

    Are you on the carpet or in the crowd?
    I'll be towards the front of the crowd on the carpet.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe nobody will be doing any filming until there is a distribution deal in place. Presumably once that's done, we're off to the races.

    So perhaps a more pertinent question would be when do you think the distribution deal will get finalized or do you have any idea when it will be finalized?
  • marketto007marketto007 Brazil
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  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe nobody will be doing any filming until there is a distribution deal in place. Presumably once that's done, we're off to the races.

    So perhaps a more pertinent question would be when do you think the distribution deal will get finalized or do you have any idea when it will be finalized?
    What I might do is combine both questions. "When do you start work on the next Bond? I guess not until it gets a distributor..."
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe nobody will be doing any filming until there is a distribution deal in place. Presumably once that's done, we're off to the races.

    So perhaps a more pertinent question would be when do you think the distribution deal will get finalized or do you have any idea when it will be finalized?
    What I might do is combine both questions. "When do you start work on the next Bond? I guess not until it gets a distributor..."
    Good idea. Hopefully he gives you a scoop for MI6!
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
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    Love the part where she says bond will marry in b25!
  • DCisared wrote: »

    Love the part where she says bond will marry in b25!

    Don't talk shit please @DCisared :-P!

    In any case, people now get a better idea of Barbara's side projects....and especially how that could influence the Bond franchise. Let me be clear here, I still admire Barbara's hands-on mentality and family-oriented attitude. I think she's really like the kind of mother movie professionals -cast and crews alike- would like to be with on set. She's fitting the old famous Dutch proverb "Doe Maar Normaal, Dan Doe Je Al Gek Genoeg", perfectly (You have a translation for that @DarthDimi ?).

    Still, that doesn't mean that worries about these side-projects affecting Bond #25 are legitimate. Even if other Bond crew, like Jany Temine and casting director Debbie McWilliams were working on these movies, and not on Bond.
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