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@ClarkDevlin I tried imagining a Bond film like that. I dozed off. Got a good night's sleep.
When Mr. Craig does his final film 13 long years will have passed since his first one. Some fans like his brooding approach. Others can live with it (I'm one of those). Some actually can't stand it. Due to his nature, acting preference and general approach, they have increasingly tried to make this character more relatable and get into his head to give him something to do. Sadly, the two best stories for that sort of thing have already been adapted (and very well I might add) with CR and OHMSS. So their approach comes across as forced and inauthentic to some (including myself). They achieved it best with the first film in his tenure and since then have been flailing about adding Dark Knight tones to his background (including burning mansions, cellars and what not). It's all becoming somewhat ridiculous.
So ultimately, the reason for the dissent is because of time having passed without a change in tone (those who cite SP, please....). It's understandable that one segment of the fan base is yearning for a change and a new approach. I believe the general public is there too (what worked in the last decade may not work in the next one), and we will see the impact in 2019.
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There is not a lot to his movie Moon it's clostraphobic scfi at its best it shows with very little he can hold you in the palm of his hand with suspense.
Although Sourcecode is an odd concept, it was well made and delivered.
He's a top top director, British, son of David Bowie I think he could deliver Bond gold with a good script.
It certainly doesn't have to be soap opera at all. If Bond is committed to a woman for a long period, longer than we have seen before, he has so much more to protect and potentially lose. He also makes himself more vulnerable to being manipulated if his new life is threatened - which it obviously would be.
Would the audience buy into it? If this character is still very definitely Bond, but placed in world he's not really equipped for (however that is presented), then there is tons of potential for the action, suspense, thrills and drama an audience expects from a Bond film. I have no way of knowing if these "Bond will be married" rumours are true, but it makes sense to me that Eon and Craig want to push Bond into new areas we've not really seen before.
Yes, Bond was married for about 5 minutes before she was murdered. (And I agree, I love OHMSS along with CR.) And Vesper didn't last long enough to en get up the aisle. Bond hasn't been seen in a long term established relationship before - not once. That could be their angle with the Bond is married rumour.
I can't say I'm looking forward to that approach, if it's in fact what they plan to do.
I agree IF that is their angle then is has to be very smartly and imaginatively handled. Campbell was dead right, but in OHMSS and CR they found the right balance, so keep the faith.
Anyone?
Re: my other posts today, I suspect they won't simply kill Madeleine off early on and just send Bond off (once again) on a personal revenge mission, they're done that. I think they will explore what happens if Bond is married and committed (perhaps for 3 or 4 years since leaving the service) and that "normal" life is threatened - there seems to be more dramatic and fresher mileage with that approach. There is also potential for humour and character insight watching an alpha-male like Bond trying to bury his (killer) training and his true nature and simply cope with everyday life and more mundane issues or conflicts. They touched on that in MI:3 with Ethan Hunt settled with his wife in suburbia and trying to act normal - and failing. Bond is, at least at the start or through-out the first act, a fish out of the water for once. And we haven't seen that before.
Do you have very good factual news articles that can support your claim ;-)?
Having said that, this is a speculation thread, so speculate away, no matter how unrealistic it may be.
I do that yes, but in such a way that I try to imagine a very good outcome IF Noland is going to direct Craig's last outing (which will most likely not happen). Sadly, many people in here can't envision how such a movie would look like. I can.
The market wants Nolan. I'm quite certain Villeneuve's stock is going to decrease on account of the box office on BR2049 (whether we like it or not). It's all about what have you done for me lately.
Bonds married and settled like you say.
MP's new boyfriend who is in her apartment in Spectre when shes on the phone to Bond in Rome could be a Spectre agent using her. He could steal something from her that gives Spectre access to Bonds location. Hinx is alive and takes the call and goes after Bond. He and Swann escape. Bond recovers Hinxs phone after his homes been shot up. He calls the number and MP picks it up while her man is out of the room. Bond says nothing and hangs up. He does not know what is going on or who to trust. Bond turns to Felix. A cat and mouse game begins to end Spectre once and for all, as even with Blofeld behind bars they will never stop until he and Swann are dead
Bond can't escape his past.
You´re right, I can envision a movie done by Nolan only too good, that´s why it´s about the last thing in the world I would want.
Would Radiohead do the theme song, though?
There's a coincidence I've been a Bond fan 40 years this year. So my hunch is I've been been in this world longer than you've been on this planet possibly?
20 films with exceptions traveling down a well trodden path of familiarity and cliches to me the series needed shaking up and CR did that.
Dalton for all his bringing Fleming back to the character didn't shake Bond up like the DC era, GE got the closest to diverting from the path. Unfortunately for me (not you) the next 3 films returned to the well trodden path.
So when you've been with this character for most of your natural born life and for 10 years shy of it's actual time span I ( not all) have grown tired of the same old thing over and over again. So yes I think Bond needs to adapt and change and if that means bringing new things to the series not seen before, trying out other things for better or worse it needs to do this to continue to be successful and survive.
Bond will not survive or continue reverting back to the type that you said worked for 40 years, it was clear the character has decended into parody and like it or not some of you if CR hadn't have reinvented Bond and just continued like before we'd likely not be looking at the series having ended not long after 2006.
The Babs & MGW led EON aren't perfect and have done things I don't agree with but no one how much you don't like it can say they haven't failed in making Bond relevant and anticipated in this era.
I'm sure you'd like the next 5 films to be just like TND in tone but me I want a little more from Bond than some cozy nostalgia fest.
Bond 25 I hope is something we haven't see before and workman like directors with no vision who just do what EON tell them to do aren't going to achieve that.
Good post. CR was definitely much needed. For me I wish they'd stayed a bit more on that fresh new trajectory rather than falling back on the old cliches which we've since Mendes took over. But you have to hand it to the Brocolli family. We carp and criticise but keeping the show on the road this long is no mean feat.
I'm not entirely sure how 'relevant' Bond is or if this even matters, but the fact EON have been packing them in for 55 years is astounding from a movie business perspective.
Yeah, this approach has run its course for now. Having a more artsy Bond film is fine, but three in a row is a bit much. Though I do think Spectre was a slight change of pace from the previous two films, by featuring more overt humor to counterbalance the family themes.
I think the surefire way of exploring the character from new angles in the films is by showing how he reacts to the other characters he encounters in a mission. They don't have to be his loved ones or his family, foster or otherwise. In particular, Domino and Largo, Solitaire and Kananga, Anya, Melina, Octopussy, and Elektra all provided or could've provided the basis to get to see slightly different sides of Bond in their respective movies. These types of explorations don't necessarily have to be extensive and throughly in-depth, but the potential is there, should the filmmakers wish to take advantage of it.
To question Bond's relevance is to ignore a 40-year legacy. It's not as if Bond was ever the epitome of realism.
To some extent I would argue that this is what they did in SF. The drama was between M and Silva. Bond was merely a bystander and an observer.
In SP however the childhood drama was all Bond's and his foster brother's, and when Craig tried to brush it off it rung hollow to me, given the significance of the events Blofeld was supposedly responsible for over the past 3 films according to the forced retrofit.