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  • bondsumbondsum
    edited December 2017 Posts: 3,334
    TripAces wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    I don't think Spielberg would have done a Bond film until FYEO...and I can only imagine how that would have gone.
    According to the man himself, the filmmaker approached Albert 'Cubby' Broccoli in 1975 fresh from finding blockbuster success with Jaws. Speaking on Michael Ball's BBC Radio 2 show, he said: "I called Cubby Broccoli twice, and after Jaws which was such a huge success, I thought 'Hey people are giving me final cut now.' So I called up Cubby and offered my services but he didn’t think I was right for the part."

    So that was before Lewis Gilbert got the gig of directing TSWLM, @TripAces. Therefore, he could have potentially added The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) and/or Moonraker (1979) to his list of credits.... and not FYEO, @TripAces. That was one of the big reasons why Lucas offered Spielberg Raiders of The Lost Ark in 1980.

    It didn't stop there either, the director adding: ‘Then even after Close Encounters [of the Third Kind] came out and was a big hit - once again - I tried to get on a Bond film and now they can’t afford me. So Barbara, forget it."

    I've bolded-up the last part of his comment to demonstrate that he's no longer interested in directing a Bond movie, hence "Forget it, Barbara."

    Just to put an end to any further woolgathering comments.


    TSWLM would have been difficult because Spielberg was already off and running on Close Encounters. My sense of it was that Spielberg spoke to Cubby about a Bond film in the future, not the immediate future.

    There was no way Spielberg would have directed MR.

    The new documentary Spielberg suggested that Lucas hired him for ROTLA because 1941 was such a failure.

    That's why it seems to me that FYEO would have fallen in his lap.
    All moot points as there was no way Spielberg was ever going to direct any of them to begin with. But it still stands that Spielberg offered his services after Jaws was made. Of course, he'd have put CEOT3K on the back-burner, had he been given his dream job of directing a Bond movie back in '75. It's because he was turned down for TSWLM that he advanced with his CEOT3K project. In the radio interview, Spielberg states clearly that he only approached Cubby twice, both times in the Seventies. After then, he'd moved on himself and was no longer interested in directing Bond. Especially after the success of his own first Indy movie. As he states, after CEOT3K, Cubby could no longer afford him anyway, therefore there would have been no opportunity to consider any possible future directing gigs for him after then. The only two possible Bond movies that he could've directed were TSWLM and MR as those were the only times that Spielberg had offered his services. Of course, FYEO might have been possible if Cubby had gone with that movie first, instead of changing his mind and making MR to cash-in on the space fad.

    Cubby had no intention of giving Spielberg FYEO in 1980. That's why he approached Peter Hunt and Terrence Young first, before finally giving it to John Glen. I'm sure there were many more directors he approached, too.
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
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    echo wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    I agree they seem to have been throwing things against the wall to see what sticks. QoS definitely makes the least sense; Skyfall's being at the end could be justified as Bond starting anew and beginning a new mission with Fiennes' M in charge as others have said.
    You could easily say that the ending of QoS gives us a Bond being through with his personal cleansing, ready for duty, and SF redundantly repeats that theme.

    I like QoS but the film itself is redundant in terms of Bond's journey. He became Bond at the end of CR, then he became Bond again at the end of QoS (and frankly, became Bond again at the end of SF).

    This notion of 'he became Bond at whatever point' is altogether laughable. He didn't became James Bond he was James Bond, the result of decades of experience, education and whatever.
    This is also why the getting the tailored tuxedo, eating with open mouth or sitting with taken off dinner jacket at the casino table are such cringeworthy moments. At least for me.
  • CatchingBulletsCatchingBullets facebook.com/catchingbullets
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    Re the suggested SOLO clash... EON Productions are deep in principal photography on THE RHYTHM SECTION and Pinewood Studios has now been extended with a brand new site (where The Roger Moore Stage resides) that has been earmarked for the Disney work.
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    In other words, a sappy melodrama.

    Here here. I'm tired of that grim dark stuff. Give me a TSWLM/GE type film for Bond 25.

    Didn’t we already pretty much get that with SP?

    No we hadn't. That is because Spectre is dumb and boring to the extreme, while TSWLM is the epitome of an entertaining and upbeat Bond movie.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    In other words, a sappy melodrama.

    Here here. I'm tired of that grim dark stuff. Give me a TSWLM/GE type film for Bond 25.

    Didn’t we already pretty much get that with SP?

    No we hadn't. That is because Spectre is dumb and boring to the extreme, while TSWLM is the epitome of an entertaining and upbeat Bond movie.
    Adding to that, SP had no proper Macguffin. Sure, people argue about the Nine Eyes but was that really the center of the plot (what was the center of the plot, anyway? Cuckoo?). So, any comparisons between the template of TSWLM and SP is laughably invalid.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    I liken it to TSWLM in the sense that they are both large-scale and somewhat lighter in tone. I don’t think Craig will get a film more similar to it. I could be wrong, but my bet is they go smaller scale for his last one.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The Craig era has essentially been experimental from the start. Some ideas have worked far better than others but there's been a little bit for everyone. I can't see that changing for the last one, so those hoping for TSWLM/GF/GE style formula done to perfection will likely have to wait for B26. It can't get here soon enough.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    I on the other hand an keeping my hopes higher and staying excited for Bond 25. I know there is reason for concern but I still think it could be a pretty good Bond film. I’m even more worried about Bond 26 with the actors they choose and which direction they go in (and if EON is involved or not...).
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    SP is slightly lighter compared to previous Craig entries. But, it's nowhere near as light as TSWLM.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Yeah I know. All I meant to say is that it is the closest thing we will get to Craig doing something like TSWLM. There are a few similarities, not a lot.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    shobair wrote: »
    Nolan selected as director

    Where did you hear this
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    shobair wrote: »
    Nolan selected as director

    Where did you hear this
    And the title is Rebound.
  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
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    Currently on honeymoon in Maldives. Get Bond out here! Best place on earth.
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
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    Yann Demange's new film, "White Boy Rick" has a new release date.
    http://deadline.com/2017/12/white-boy-rick-release-date-matthew-mcconaughey-movie-august-opening-1202219966/

    The film was meant to be coming next month, however Sony have pulled the release and now it's moving to August. This is likely a very positive sign as January is a dead month for films. It seems that the film is testing very well and Yann has been given the chance to go back and change some stuff.

    If Yann is on that till August, he would have more than enough time to prep Bond 25. Meanwhile, Nolan is completely free and the chances of Denis making "Dune" anytime soon are dwindling (BR2049 has surely put the nail in that), but he has that Cleopatra film brewing. Mendes has nothing on the horizon.

    Also, it was previously announced that Thomas Newman was doing the score for "White Boy Rick", but now it seems like Max Richter is on duty:


  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Yup it’s all been leaked. Title is Bondception: 007 Rises. Delayed until 2027 but will star Craig, Brosnan, and Dalton.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Yup it’s all been leaked. Title is Bondception: 007 Rises. Delayed until 2027 but will star Craig, Brosnan, and Dalton.
    Codename Theory confirmed.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Has Nolan given any hints about what his next project is? If not, Bond could be it.

    Once again however, given his considerable talents and brand power, I don't see why he would take it on in an established universe (or why the producers would waste him on this), rather than creating a new template to drive it forward into the next decade.

    I can't see this Demange fellow getting the gig at this point. Quite anticlimactic imho.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Like I mentioned, it’s possible they will get Nolan to do both Craig’s last and the start of the next reboot. If Nolan loves Bond enough I don’t see why not. I’m 99% certain Mendes returning would be a mistake.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Like I mentioned, it’s possible they will get Nolan to do both Craig’s last and the start of the next reboot. If Nolan loves Bond enough I don’t see why not. I’m 99% certain Mendes returning would be a mistake.
    As I've mentioned previously, I on the other hand would much prefer Mendes to come back and finish off his story with Craig. Then let Nolan establish a new vision for the future.

    I can't see him doing Craig's last and the first from a new actor. That makes very little logical sense to me.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,525
    bondjames wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Like I mentioned, it’s possible they will get Nolan to do both Craig’s last and the start of the next reboot. If Nolan loves Bond enough I don’t see why not. I’m 99% certain Mendes returning would be a mistake.
    As I've mentioned previously, I on the other hand would much prefer Mendes to come back and finish off his story with Craig. Then let Nolan establish a new vision for the future.

    I can't see him doing Craig's last and the first from a new actor. That makes very little logical sense to me.

    Guy Hamilton with Connery/Moore? John Glen with Moore/Dalton? It’s been done before. If Mendes returns Bond 25 is more likely to be stale and uninteresting I think.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    FoxRox wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Like I mentioned, it’s possible they will get Nolan to do both Craig’s last and the start of the next reboot. If Nolan loves Bond enough I don’t see why not. I’m 99% certain Mendes returning would be a mistake.
    As I've mentioned previously, I on the other hand would much prefer Mendes to come back and finish off his story with Craig. Then let Nolan establish a new vision for the future.

    I can't see him doing Craig's last and the first from a new actor. That makes very little logical sense to me.

    Guy Hamilton with Connery/Moore? John Glen with Moore/Dalton? It’s been done before. If Mendes returns Bond 25 is more likely to be stale and uninteresting I think.
    Again, I just don't see it happening. Something doesn't make sense here (and hasn't for some time). We'll find out more soon enough.
  • DennisonDennison
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    bondjames wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Like I mentioned, it’s possible they will get Nolan to do both Craig’s last and the start of the next reboot. If Nolan loves Bond enough I don’t see why not. I’m 99% certain Mendes returning would be a mistake.
    As I've mentioned previously, I on the other hand would much prefer Mendes to come back and finish off his story with Craig. Then let Nolan establish a new vision for the future.

    I can't see him doing Craig's last and the first from a new actor. That makes very little logical sense to me.

    Guy Hamilton with Connery/Moore? John Glen with Moore/Dalton? It’s been done before. If Mendes returns Bond 25 is more likely to be stale and uninteresting I think.
    Again, I just don't see it happening. Something doesn't make sense here (and hasn't for some time). We'll find out more soon enough.

    What do you mean by 'doesn't make sense'? - what are you thinking?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Dennison wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Like I mentioned, it’s possible they will get Nolan to do both Craig’s last and the start of the next reboot. If Nolan loves Bond enough I don’t see why not. I’m 99% certain Mendes returning would be a mistake.
    As I've mentioned previously, I on the other hand would much prefer Mendes to come back and finish off his story with Craig. Then let Nolan establish a new vision for the future.

    I can't see him doing Craig's last and the first from a new actor. That makes very little logical sense to me.

    Guy Hamilton with Connery/Moore? John Glen with Moore/Dalton? It’s been done before. If Mendes returns Bond 25 is more likely to be stale and uninteresting I think.
    Again, I just don't see it happening. Something doesn't make sense here (and hasn't for some time). We'll find out more soon enough.

    What do you mean by 'doesn't make sense'? - what are you thinking?
    Nothing in particular. I'm just a bit perplexed.

    Given all the rumours that have been percolating (all the way back to May) it does make sense that Nolan could be involved somehow (remember the IMDB PRo thing?). However, I can't jive that with Craig, especially given Nolan's remarks just this year that he would like to 'reinvent'.

    Moreover, why would they have been talking with Villeneuve recently if Nolan was involved since May? Additionally, if Villeneuve and Nolan aren't involved wouldn't any other name (and especially this Demange chap) be a serious let down from a marketing standpoint? Unless it's Mendes of course.

    So logical inconsistencies abound everywhere.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I'd be quite surprised if Nolan stepped in after Mendes to direct the last installment in Craig's era. Seems he'd much prefer (and be much more suited) helping the start of the next era.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Yup it’s all been leaked. Title is Bondception: 007 Rises. Delayed until 2027 but will star Craig, Brosnan, and Dalton.

    It could be Plan 9 from Outer Space, but with the holy trinity of Bond, I'd watch!
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I'd be quite surprised if Nolan stepped in after Mendes to direct the last installment in Craig's era. Seems he'd much prefer (and be much more suited) helping the start of the next era.


    Agreed..IMO if Nolan is involved,it would be B26 not B25.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Unless there are competing visions on the table dependent/conditional on distributor signoff. Then it would make sense why we've had these different rumours out there.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I'd be quite surprised if Nolan stepped in after Mendes to direct the last installment in Craig's era. Seems he'd much prefer (and be much more suited) helping the start of the next era.


    Agreed..IMO if Nolan is involved,it would be B26 not B25.

    That's what I'm thinking. Nolan doesn't seem the type to come in and deal with closing out the era, especially given how Mendes boxed Bond into a corner with that SP ending. I do feel bad for whoever is responsible for helming B25 and crafting a good story out of that (unless they take the easy routes and ignore everything from SP and make it standalone. A man can dream, but I don't see it happening).
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I'd be quite surprised if Nolan stepped in after Mendes to direct the last installment in Craig's era. Seems he'd much prefer (and be much more suited) helping the start of the next era.


    Agreed..IMO if Nolan is involved,it would be B26 not B25.

    That's what I'm thinking. Nolan doesn't seem the type to come in and deal with closing out the era, especially given how Mendes boxed Bond into a corner with that SP ending. I do feel bad for whoever is responsible for helming B25 and crafting a good story out of that (unless they take the easy routes and ignore everything from SP and make it standalone. A man can dream, but I don't see it happening).

    If only !!

  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
    Posts: 7,058
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I'd be quite surprised if Nolan stepped in after Mendes to direct the last installment in Craig's era. Seems he'd much prefer (and be much more suited) helping the start of the next era.


    Agreed..IMO if Nolan is involved,it would be B26 not B25.

    That's what I'm thinking. Nolan doesn't seem the type to come in and deal with closing out the era, especially given how Mendes boxed Bond into a corner with that SP ending. I do feel bad for whoever is responsible for helming B25 and crafting a good story out of that (unless they take the easy routes and ignore everything from SP and make it standalone. A man can dream, but I don't see it happening).

    If only !!

    Don't rule it out. Yes, it's not likely to happen, but there's still a reasonable chance of that.
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