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  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    *Sigh*

    We're not even past the distribution deal yet, and tabloids are talking about the soundtrack... The last thing that matters. Something that's only a construction in a post-production period.

    As Dryden would say, "True."
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Tom Hardy as Bond

    you do realize that by the time Bond 25 in out in 2019, Tom Hardy will be 42.. and by the time they might actually release Bond 26 - which at this pace, would be no sooner than 2022 - Tom Hardy would be 45 in his first Bond movie.... don't count on it...

    when they recast after Craig bows out, you have to look at actors who are currently (that means right now) in their early to mid 30s, possibly even late 20s... EON loves longevity, and they like keeping their actors around for multiple films obviously - someone currently in their 40s is not going to be the next Bond.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Dennison wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    If you want continuity in films then don't make them 4 years apart.
    It stinks of arrogance.
    Does anyone know why EON have taken so long getting Bond 25 made?
    They've been really tight-lipped in the past three years we don't know whatever is taking place behind the scenes. Circumstantial evidences are all colliding, the lines have become blurred, everything is a contradiction. I'm guessing this is merely their response to the Sony leaks which may have hurt Spectre's marketing and BO.

    I'd love to know what the story is. It seems to be no matter how successful a Bond film is these days, it's a nightmare getting the next one in the can.

    The Brosnan era ran as it should - a film every 2 years during the 90's, then we had a long period between DAD and CR.

    After that we were back on track again, with QoS out 2 years later.

    Then we had to wait 4 years for SF, then 3 years for SP, and now another 4 years before the next one.

    Either films are a more complicated business to get off the ground these days, or EON don't know what they are doing anymore to get these film made quickly enough.

    So, would you say the same about the M:I series? 4 year gap, 6 year gap, 5 year gap, 4 year gap, 3 year gap.

    This is what made Bond unique as a franchise for its first 30 years, that a film would come out every one year, and then after TB every two years, when other franchise sequels had to wait 3 years (Star Wars, Superman, Indy Jones, Rocky, etc.)

    Then we had the Dalton/Brosnan blip, then normal service was resumed again, until the Brosnan/Craig blip. Now we are waiting on average 4 years between each film.

    I don't compare Bond to any other franchise, because none has gone as long as Bond. MI didn't start in 1962.

    Maybe this is just the sign of the times now, on how long each film has to take to get made. It's a shame because Bond always managed to overcome that long period somehow, but I guess that's just the way it is now.

    Harry Potter films came out every year, Star Wars films are currently coming out every year.

    Harry Potter had subject matter ready to transfer from book to screen... they didn't have to boil up a brand new story and plot..

    Star Wars - when going into production on TFA, they already had a plan or at the very least the idea of where this current trilogy was going.. they didn't finish making TFA - hit the press junkets and premiers, then come the following March or April sit down and start trying to come up with story ideas for Ep8 - they already knew what they were doing..

    the closest you can get right now, would be the Fast & Furious franchise - but even they, if you choose to believe it, have had a direction and plan on where they wanted these stories to go from Furious 6 through F8 (and then 9 and 10).
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    My prediction is Eon will announce a recast on the franchises 60th
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    @haserot it's not beyond Eon employing an older actor for Bond post Craig, it will depend on there plans moving forward.

    Brosnan was 42 in 1995
    Dalton 41 in 1987
    Moore 46 in 1973
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    @haserot it's not beyond Eon employing an older actor for Bond post Craig, it will depend on there plans moving forward.

    Brosnan was 42 in 1995
    Dalton 41 in 1987
    Moore 46 in 1973

    not in this day and age.. back then - they were pumping these films out every other year.. nowadays, we are lucky if we 2 films in 5 years.. they aren't going to cast someone anymore in their mid 40s, and only have them around for possibly 2 films before they'd have to consider going through another recasting..

    the other thing you have to remember to - they like picking outside of the box, or against popular/obvious choice - and a lot of that reasoning is due to $$$... Tom Hardy falls squarely in that "popular/obvious" choice.... they can keep a relatively fresh face in the roll of Bond for longer, for less money - than someone say like a Tom Hardy, who currently would probably want close to what DC is making per picture..

    so while you are correct... the only Bond who started in their mid 40s (which was my criteria) was Roger Moore - but those were different times.. i highly doubt they cast someone that old again.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    @haserot it's not beyond Eon employing an older actor for Bond post Craig, it will depend on there plans moving forward.

    Brosnan was 42 in 1995
    Dalton 41 in 1987
    Moore 46 in 1973

    not in this day and age.. back then - they were pumping these films out every other year.. nowadays, we are lucky if we 2 films in 5 years.. they aren't going to cast someone anymore in their mid 40s, and only have them around for possibly 2 films before they'd have to consider going through another recasting..

    the other thing you have to remember to - they like picking outside of the box, or against popular/obvious choice - and a lot of that reasoning is due to $$$... Tom Hardy falls squarely in that "popular/obvious" choice.... they can keep a relatively fresh face in the roll of Bond for longer, for less money - than someone say like a Tom Hardy, who currently would probably want close to what DC is making per picture..

    Hardy is probably too similar to Craig so I doubt he will be cast, it may end up being some actor we are all oblivious to as it could be four years or more until someone is actually cast (I am not convinced Bond 25 will be Craigs last).

    Regarding the age if they want someone to be as physically involved in the stunts as Craig was initially that would make sense to go with a younger actor, though that may not be a factor.

    Also the first two Bond films of the actors have been in close proximity 1 or 2 years gap , I think recent gaps in production have possibly catered to Craig as much as anything.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    @haserot it's not beyond Eon employing an older actor for Bond post Craig, it will depend on there plans moving forward.

    Brosnan was 42 in 1995
    Dalton 41 in 1987
    Moore 46 in 1973

    not in this day and age.. back then - they were pumping these films out every other year.. nowadays, we are lucky if we 2 films in 5 years.. they aren't going to cast someone anymore in their mid 40s, and only have them around for possibly 2 films before they'd have to consider going through another recasting..

    the other thing you have to remember to - they like picking outside of the box, or against popular/obvious choice - and a lot of that reasoning is due to $$$... Tom Hardy falls squarely in that "popular/obvious" choice.... they can keep a relatively fresh face in the roll of Bond for longer, for less money - than someone say like a Tom Hardy, who currently would probably want close to what DC is making per picture..

    so while you are correct... the only Bond who started in their mid 40s (which was my criteria) was Roger Moore - but those were different times.. i highly doubt they cast someone that old again.

    Another great reason why Aidan Turner is right for the part.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    @haserot it's not beyond Eon employing an older actor for Bond post Craig, it will depend on there plans moving forward.

    Brosnan was 42 in 1995
    Dalton 41 in 1987
    Moore 46 in 1973

    not in this day and age.. back then - they were pumping these films out every other year.. nowadays, we are lucky if we 2 films in 5 years.. they aren't going to cast someone anymore in their mid 40s, and only have them around for possibly 2 films before they'd have to consider going through another recasting..

    the other thing you have to remember to - they like picking outside of the box, or against popular/obvious choice - and a lot of that reasoning is due to $$$... Tom Hardy falls squarely in that "popular/obvious" choice.... they can keep a relatively fresh face in the roll of Bond for longer, for less money - than someone say like a Tom Hardy, who currently would probably want close to what DC is making per picture..

    so while you are correct... the only Bond who started in their mid 40s (which was my criteria) was Roger Moore - but those were different times.. i highly doubt they cast someone that old again.

    Another great reason why Aidan Turner is right for the part.

    Please, someone ban him.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Walecs wrote: »
    HASEROT wrote: »
    @haserot it's not beyond Eon employing an older actor for Bond post Craig, it will depend on there plans moving forward.

    Brosnan was 42 in 1995
    Dalton 41 in 1987
    Moore 46 in 1973

    not in this day and age.. back then - they were pumping these films out every other year.. nowadays, we are lucky if we 2 films in 5 years.. they aren't going to cast someone anymore in their mid 40s, and only have them around for possibly 2 films before they'd have to consider going through another recasting..

    the other thing you have to remember to - they like picking outside of the box, or against popular/obvious choice - and a lot of that reasoning is due to $$$... Tom Hardy falls squarely in that "popular/obvious" choice.... they can keep a relatively fresh face in the roll of Bond for longer, for less money - than someone say like a Tom Hardy, who currently would probably want close to what DC is making per picture..

    so while you are correct... the only Bond who started in their mid 40s (which was my criteria) was Roger Moore - but those were different times.. i highly doubt they cast someone that old again.
    Another great reason why Aidan Turner is right for the part.
    Please, someone ban him.
    Heaven forbid someone supported an opinion of his own.

    I'm not Turner's biggest fan, but I see reasons equal zero as to why should he be banned.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I think it was a tongue in cheek response @ClarkDevlin. :D
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    If we take @haserot 's calculations that Tom Hardy will be 45 if Bond 26 is released in 2022, and if we then apply the same gaps between films as the Craig era: Hardy would be 47 for B27, 51 for B28, 54 for B29, and an hypothetical 58 for B30.

    Applying Brosnan's gaps would mean Hardy goes from 45 in Bond 26 to 52 in Bond 29.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I think it was a tongue in cheek response @ClarkDevlin. :D
    Now that you mention it, @Murdock, I do miss the tongue in cheek elements in Bond films. ;)
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Lambert Wilson can take over the part of Oberhouser..

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    Because of Sahara (2005 / uncredit written by P&W) i always said no. But i see as option there can go for a more Twine, CR and mabey a bit TLD. With a difrent cinematographer. No yellow colors in Twine or CR style. I like to see more agression like Goldeneye, Octopussy, TLD and FRWL. Warmth colors. With light action. The story and drama i think agrest enough and whant no go futher then Octopussy, TLD, AVTAK, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies and QOS.

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The Merovingian revealed to be the real Blofeld?

    James Bond is set in The Matrix universe. Confirmed. ;)
  • HASEROT wrote: »
    Tom Hardy as Bond

    you do realize that by the time Bond 25 in out in 2019, Tom Hardy will be 42.. and by the time they might actually release Bond 26 - which at this pace, would be no sooner than 2022 - Tom Hardy would be 45 in his first Bond movie.... don't count on it...

    when they recast after Craig bows out, you have to look at actors who are currently (that means right now) in their early to mid 30s, possibly even late 20s... EON loves longevity, and they like keeping their actors around for multiple films obviously - someone currently in their 40s is not going to be the next Bond.

    I've said this before but my personal preference (not that I think it'll happen) would be a 40 something actor who actually looks like an experienced secret agent for only a couple of films, rather than some baby faced indie/hipster looking 20-30 odd year old ex Game Of Thrones/BBC drama rising star type that we have to wait years to grow into the role for five films.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    Tom Hardy as Bond

    you do realize that by the time Bond 25 in out in 2019, Tom Hardy will be 42.. and by the time they might actually release Bond 26 - which at this pace, would be no sooner than 2022 - Tom Hardy would be 45 in his first Bond movie.... don't count on it...

    when they recast after Craig bows out, you have to look at actors who are currently (that means right now) in their early to mid 30s, possibly even late 20s... EON loves longevity, and they like keeping their actors around for multiple films obviously - someone currently in their 40s is not going to be the next Bond.

    I've said this before but my personal preference (not that I think it'll happen) would be a 40 something actor who actually looks like an experienced secret agent for only a couple of films, rather than some baby faced indie/hipster looking 20-30 odd year old ex Game Of Thrones/BBC drama rising star type that we have to wait years to grow into the role for five films.
    +1. Well said, sir.
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    Anywhere between late 20s and mid 40s is fair game as far as I’m concerned. What matters most is if they are a good Bond - period. My preference would probably be mid 30s like Craig was when he started, that way they can do 3-5 films without age being much of an issue.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Craig was 38 when he did Casino Royale.
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    Tom Hardy as Bond

    you do realize that by the time Bond 25 in out in 2019, Tom Hardy will be 42.. and by the time they might actually release Bond 26 - which at this pace, would be no sooner than 2022 - Tom Hardy would be 45 in his first Bond movie.... don't count on it...

    when they recast after Craig bows out, you have to look at actors who are currently (that means right now) in their early to mid 30s, possibly even late 20s... EON loves longevity, and they like keeping their actors around for multiple films obviously - someone currently in their 40s is not going to be the next Bond.

    I've said this before but my personal preference (not that I think it'll happen) would be a 40 something actor who actually looks like an experienced secret agent for only a couple of films, rather than some baby faced indie/hipster looking 20-30 odd year old ex Game Of Thrones/BBC drama rising star type that we have to wait years to grow into the role for five films.
    But what about wrapping up the story arc from angst-ridden teenager to the experienced agent we know and love? Including of course the times he was broken and forced out of his comfort zone, and those times he quit.

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    Craig was 38 when he did Casino Royale.

    Oh I thought 36 for some reason. Sorry. So my preference would be slightly younger for a starter. But like I said between late 20s and mid 40s all can potentially work.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Craig was 38 when he did Casino Royale.

    Oh I thought 36 for some reason. Sorry. So my preference would be slightly younger for a starter. But like I said between late 20s and mid 40s all can potentially work.

    It depends, Brosnan looked amazing in Goldeneye and he was 41. Same with Dalton, who was over forty (no one knows his exact age). They both looked plenty youthful. Aidan Turner will be 38/9 in 2022, I'd say that's still a good for a reasonable tenure.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    Tom Hardy as Bond

    you do realize that by the time Bond 25 in out in 2019, Tom Hardy will be 42.. and by the time they might actually release Bond 26 - which at this pace, would be no sooner than 2022 - Tom Hardy would be 45 in his first Bond movie.... don't count on it...

    when they recast after Craig bows out, you have to look at actors who are currently (that means right now) in their early to mid 30s, possibly even late 20s... EON loves longevity, and they like keeping their actors around for multiple films obviously - someone currently in their 40s is not going to be the next Bond.

    I've said this before but my personal preference (not that I think it'll happen) would be a 40 something actor who actually looks like an experienced secret agent for only a couple of films, rather than some baby faced indie/hipster looking 20-30 odd year old ex Game Of Thrones/BBC drama rising star type that we have to wait years to grow into the role for five films.
    +1. Well said, sir.

    Yeah. If casting older-looking actors means sacrificing longer tenures, I'm prepared for it. This is a hackneyed thing to say perhaps, but too many new male movie stars today look too damn youthful and immature; no lines on their faces, no gravitas, no sense of having lived and suffered, and those are the things that create engaging, memorable on-screen presences. In the past, stars like McQueen, Marvin, Mitchum, and more recently Denzel and Ford, were being created aplenty. There are a small handful of actors today that follow in their steps, but plenty of others that could be their present-day counterparts just don't reach their level of stardom. We can't have Bond follow this trend of the movies. He needs to be mature, experienced, and we have to feel his presence and his self-confidence. If that means having the actors stay around for only two films, then so be it.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    HASEROT wrote: »
    Tom Hardy as Bond

    you do realize that by the time Bond 25 in out in 2019, Tom Hardy will be 42.. and by the time they might actually release Bond 26 - which at this pace, would be no sooner than 2022 - Tom Hardy would be 45 in his first Bond movie.... don't count on it...

    when they recast after Craig bows out, you have to look at actors who are currently (that means right now) in their early to mid 30s, possibly even late 20s... EON loves longevity, and they like keeping their actors around for multiple films obviously - someone currently in their 40s is not going to be the next Bond.

    I've said this before but my personal preference (not that I think it'll happen) would be a 40 something actor who actually looks like an experienced secret agent for only a couple of films, rather than some baby faced indie/hipster looking 20-30 odd year old ex Game Of Thrones/BBC drama rising star type that we have to wait years to grow into the role for five films.
    +1. Well said, sir.

    Yeah. If casting older-looking actors means sacrificing longer tenures, I'm prepared for it. This is a hackneyed thing to say perhaps, but too many new male movie stars today look too damn youthful and immature; no lines on their faces, no gravitas, no sense of having lived and suffered, and those are the things that create engaging, memorable on-screen presences. In the past, stars like McQueen, Marvin, Mitchum, and more recently Denzel and Ford, were being created aplenty. There are a small handful of actors today that follow in their steps, but plenty of others that could be their present-day counterparts just don't reach their level of stardom. We can't have Bond follow this trend of the movies. He needs to be mature, experienced, and we have to feel his presence and his self-confidence. If that means having the actors stay around for only two films, then so be it.
    I couldn't have said it any better!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    There is a difference between age and gravitas. One can be a younger actor and have/convey maturity. That's a skill. So I don't mind if the actor is younger, but I do mind when they get 'older'. I also mind when films are altered to accommodate age (whether it be in the stunt department, action department or 'babe' - sorry if that's sexist in this environment - department). That is one of the reasons I have concerns about B25.
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    No way it will get any more unrealistic than Moore in AVTAK. I think having a little less action could actually help the film. They packed in a ton in SP. DN and FRWL are the most action-lite, and they are two of the series’ best. Something smaller and more story-focused like those could be great for Craig to go out on.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Why are we using Moore in AVTAK as the standard? Shouldn't it be Connery in DN or Laz in OHMSS? That's the standard I want.
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    I mentioned it purely to say I don’t think Craig’s age will be a big issue in Bond 25.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    It had better not be. Especially when it comes to casting Bond girls imho. We've had a senior citizen and a 50 year old in the last two.
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