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  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    My first theory and prediction of the year:

    Nolan will be announced as the director of Bond 25 between February 27 and March 5. Why those dates? He won't be announced before Feb 27, because Nolan has asked the producers not to make an official announcement before that date. Why would Nolan ask them that? Because he will get nominated for a Best Directing Oscar, which he will want to win. As much as we all love Bond movies, many Academy members look down on them.

    If it was announced that Nolan's next movie will be a 007 film right before the Academy members are submitting their final ballots, many of them would be less likely to vote for Nolan, and Nolan knows this, so he asked Barbara Broccoli to wait a bit with the announcement. And the final Oscar voting closes on February 27.

    Why March 5? Because that's a day after the Oscar ceremony. As long as their is a chance that Nolan will win Best Directing for Dunkirk (and the movie Best Picture), Barbara Broccoli would obviously want to announce her next director right after the ceremony.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    I think https://therottenappl.es/ might need to update CR and QoS if the Haggis reports are true...
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    BondAficionado wrote: »
    I think https://therottenappl.es/ might need to update CR and QoS if the Haggis reports are true...
    I'm sure they'll give a "rotten apple" title to the above films regardless of whether the reports are true. That said, it's massively disappointing to read and that this behavior has extended its reach to the Bond universe.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    He wrote some great dialogue for CR/QoS. That's all I'm interested in when it comes to Bond. If they wanted to get him back to help again, I'd be all for it.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    jake24 wrote: »
    BondAficionado wrote: »
    I think https://therottenappl.es/ might need to update CR and QoS if the Haggis reports are true...
    I'm sure they'll give a "rotten apple" title to the above films regardless of whether the reports are true. That said, it's massively disappointing to read and that this behavior has extended its reach to the Bond universe.

    Well hopefully it's not true, but if it is, then it's beyond terrible.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    What is it with Haggis now?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    bondjames wrote: »
    He wrote some great dialogue for CR/QoS. That's all I'm interested in when it comes to Bond. If they wanted to get him back to help again, I'd be all for it.
    It would never happen. He's a talented writer but the publicity surrounding his personal life would prove a disaster for the film.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    What is it with Haggis now?
    The latest name on the Hollywood pervert list.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    What is it with Haggis now?
    The latest name on the Hollywood pervert list.

    Wouldn t it be easier to make a list of those not on that list?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    He wrote some great dialogue for CR/QoS. That's all I'm interested in when it comes to Bond. If they wanted to get him back to help again, I'd be all for it.
    It would never happen. He's a talented writer but the publicity surrounding his personal life would prove a disaster for the film.
    True. The allegation itself is enough to kill any chance, and that's what annoys me about these things. Shame.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    And Barbara B would steer clear from his due to any fallout of any #METOO involvement. and she would be smart to do so.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I doubt that journalists or Everyman Dick and Jane give a toss about who is a script polisher on any film.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Perhaps they can focus the next Bond film on #Metoo as well. All of Bond's lovers come out with allegations against him and his cover is blown.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    I doubt that journalists or Everyman Dick and Jane give a toss about who is a script polisher on any film.
    You would think.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Perhaps they can focus the next Bond film on #Metoo as well. All of Bond's lovers come out with allegations against him and his cover is blown.

    Austin Power idea for the next movie "The spy who shagged me against my will"?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    SaintMark wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Perhaps they can focus the next Bond film on #Metoo as well. All of Bond's lovers come out with allegations against him and his cover is blown.

    Austin Power idea for the next movie "The spy who shagged me against my will"?
    Haha!
  • JET007JET007
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    From what I heard, Haggis is suing back. I take allegations against him with a grain of salt as he was recently seen on an episode of Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath, talking about his experiences with the religion and making false allegations against former members who speak out against them is EXACTLY what they do and have done so for decades.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited January 2018 Posts: 10,591
    JET007 wrote: »
    From what I heard, Haggis is suing back. I take allegations against him with a grain of salt as he was recently seen on an episode of Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath, talking about his experiences with the religion and making false allegations against former members who speak out against them is EXACTLY what they do and have done so for decades.
    Interesting. The church has been known to cover up allegations as well. Definitely a conversation for another thread, but an interesting one nonetheless.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Why do you think Pope Palpatine resigned?
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Why do you think Pope Palpatine resigned?

    He probably suffered from some sort of dementia I always presumed. Which a few decades ago could be kept under wraps and today is no longer possible.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Paul Haggis did a talk here in Toronto two summers ago where he said he was solely responsible for re-working the final act of CR (Vienna). He said in the original script, it was boring, that Vesper took some pills and killer herself in the hotel room (which was P&W taking from Fleming's original ending).

    He noted that that's what he was hired on to do, and he was responsible for the action of the falling house.

    As far as I know, he didn't polish the dialogue, or touch the other acts of the shooting script. If anyone else remembers, or knows differently, please correct me if I'm wrong.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    There was some very cringe-inducing, cheesy dialogue revolving around Bond & Vesper that was cut from an earlier draft. Not sure if that was down to Haggis or not.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    ... could be, depending if it happened in that last act-- which would have started, I'm assuming, after Le Chiffre's assassination. Haggis was adamant his sole purpose was re-working the final Act in CR.

    Dialogue is a tricky thing though-- as our directors on this site will tell you (much to the chagrin of the writers). It can be changed on set (the director makes a decision; actors hate or can't deliver what's being said. I know a director that changed practically all the dialogue of the script he was working on. Hell, some lines can be changed doing ADR during the editing process!!

    I'm also not sure of how much of Haggis' work was in QoS... a lot changed due to P&W, Haggis, other script doctors, the Writer's Strike, and whatever was changed during the filming...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2018 Posts: 23,883
    I believe Haggis was indeed brought in initially for act 3 (Venice) of CR, which originally was more in line with the book. My understanding is that he then helped them out with the dialogue and was given credit in publications at the time for some of the pivotal dialogue in the film including the Bond/Vesper intro and the casino scenes.

    Here is a link to some discussion on QoS.
    http://www.mtv.com/news/1568446/casino-royale-writer-paul-haggis-talks-next-007-flick-my-bond-is-different/

    EDIT- and some comments on CR from this site:
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/news/index.php?itemid=5651
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
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    This is truly rather disgusting and awful news. Paul Haggis should rightly be shunned from the film community as a result.

    However, I think the evidence that his contribution to the CR script was substantial. I think a lot of the more psychological and emotional beats in both Bond's arc came from Haggis.

    I started a thread which explored those ideas here:
    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/6397/paul-haggis-talks-casino-royale-and-quantum-of-solace#latest



    Another great interview:
    http://www.grouchoreviews.com/interviews/401


    I think Haggis did an amazing job with CR. His script was obviously bought to life by the great direction of Martin Campbell and a truly outstanding performance by Daniel Craig. Undeniably, Haggis was pivotal to getting there, but he was merely a component of a grander effort. I won't let his behaviour tarnish my enjoyment of CR.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Why do you think Pope Palpatine resigned?

    He probably suffered from some sort of dementia I always presumed. Which a few decades ago could be kept under wraps and today is no longer possible.
    And now we have Pope Elliot Carver.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    This is truly rather disgusting and awful news. Paul Haggis should rightly be shunned from the film community as a result.

    However, I think the evidence that his contribution to the CR script was substantial. I think a lot of the more psychological and emotional beats in both Bond's arc came from Haggis.

    I started a thread which explored those ideas here:
    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/6397/paul-haggis-talks-casino-royale-and-quantum-of-solace#latest



    Another great interview:
    http://www.grouchoreviews.com/interviews/401


    I think Haggis did an amazing job with CR. His script was obviously bought to life by the great direction of Martin Campbell and a truly outstanding performance by Daniel Craig. Undeniably, Haggis was pivotal to getting there, but he was merely a component of a grander effort. I won't let his behaviour tarnish my enjoyment of CR.

    It's nice to see that innocent until proven guilty is still a thing, especially considering the circumstances surrounding the allegations.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Not talking about Haggis' innocence or guilt, myself, but--

    In the above interview, he only mentions the train scene (two people falling in love-- I like it!!), but nothing else re: CR; But--

    In his talk in Toronto he focused on his lone role in fixing the last act (the falling building climax and suicide) . He called the original ending, and I quote, "boring".

    (yet, he says he is a Fleming-fan; I have always questioned that as being more lip-service to the fan-base... he seemingly didn't realize that Fleming wrote that "boring" scene in the hotel room!! But P&W did... this tells me, no matter what we feel about these guys, they, AT LEAST, read Fleming, and Haggis didn't; plus it was Haggis himself who wanted the Vesper/child plot in QoS.

    IMHO, Haggis isn't being truthful (he's a good writer, in ways (debatable) but isn't a Fleming fan; he didn't know that Vesper killed herself in Fleming's novel in the way P&W depicted, and; comes up with the Vesper/kid story-line for the follow up?..

    He also, by his own admission, says, in QoS that he's mixing Fleming with le Carre?? Two writers who are like oil and vinegar??))

    I think there's a reason why he wasn't invited back for SF and SP.

    Despite innocence or guilt, he, and his writing, comes off as pretentious, artsy shit. And I do say this as a fan of CR and QoS. My like for these films is despite the bullshit Haggis seems to shovel in our faces.

    In the end, at the sake of offending anyone-- my opinion only.

  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    I never cared for the sinking house bit in Vienna. The book's demise for Vesper I felt had far more impact than what was essentially an obligatory action scene to serve as the film's climax.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I personally would've preferred if Vesper's death was done prior to the Venice climax, that way it would've been more plausible for Bond to embark on a revenge-driven task than undevised plan to chase the traitress/rescue the girl situation.
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