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Both CR and SF are top ten for me, but in the latter film it's definitely more on account of the overall aesthetics, character interplay and performances than anything much in the script.
It's perhaps inevitable that P&W will have to be the fall guys (even unfairly) to accommodate a certain fan demand for freshness and a new take. If anything, I think Hodge will succeed purely because he isn't the dynamic duo. There are certain themes and an approach that began with TWINE & continued with DAD which populate the Craig era. I'm pretty sure that will be broken for the next one.
In terms of 'Bond formula', I think you and I might have a different opinion on what that is. I don't think that has been done well since GE, and I'm not really expecting it for B25 either based on current information.
And you must be ecstatic that Newman is done with?
You have no idea. =))
Agree. I enjoyed all of those as well. Boyle is more of a thriller genre guy than the directors we've gotten lately. His films are more like Campbell than Mendes or Forster were.
I'd go banco on that.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/03/09/denis-villeneuve-wants-2-dune-movies/
Interesting, as Fleming had the habit as well. I think it shows up in Casino Royale, Live and Let Die, The Spy Who Loved Me, On Her Majesty's Secret Service and You Only Live Twice (and possibly other books). Not sure how that would work in a Bond film, but if executed well it could be cool.
Hmm...perhaps Dr. Swann's medical questionnaire has unleashed Bond's latent suicidal tendencies? Only Mendes knows for sure. If only he had 2.5 hours to tell us.
Good point. Maybe he has it from Fleming, then?
I did not know they were related
Reports indicate spontaneous live demonstrations are taking place all over the world right now. People everywhere are excited that Thomas Newman is most likely not returning to compose the score for the next James Bond film.
There has been more than enough of that already.
I agree, but that's what Craig wants. I'm more than ready for a change, trust me, but looks like we're going to have to wait.
My only hope is that if EON are considering selling the franchise, they hurry up and do it after B25 is realised. I don't think we can handle back2back four year waits. That would be brutal. Bond 26 in 2022, please. 3:-O
Hopefully Nolan will do B26 and B27 & B28
If on Monday they announced B25 with Boyle and then a Nolan trilogy in 2022, 2024 and 2026 I'd be more than happy.
If they went on to say that they had taken out an injunction banning P&W and Newman from coming within half a mile of EON HQ I'd probably shoot my wad.
A recap on what we know
I dont think,finding a new actor, a new direction will take less then what we have now. I an pretty sure, you people will have to wait at least another 4 years.
That would be like lifting the lid off the ark of the covenant bad. Not up for that at all. From what we've heard, Christopher Nolan has a pretty clear picture in his head of what he would do with Bond. It has been a part of his live since he was a boy, after all. I'm hopeful that EON have gone into this one with their eyes open, and they have a plan ready to either sell up and move on, or recast quickly. The size of a Boyle production is insignificant compared to the mammoth production that SP was, so the "we're tired" excuse won't hold water this time. Not to mention they just came off a big break to get this movie made. So I'm hopeful, but then again it is EON so they probably haven't things a seconds thought. 3:-O
I agree.
Once we're done with B25 (and thats assuming it still makes 2019) then they will all want the requisite year off after having worked sooo hard work for a few months and then Babs will want to make some feminist Oscar bait for another year so they won't even think about B26 until the end of 2021. For a Bond to come out in 2022 looks unlikely at the current snails pace.
I’m still convinced Nolan just has a singular vision for how he would do ‘his’ Bond film. A trilogy would insinuate an interconnected narrative, which however bold the idea may be, doesn’t sit well with me.
As a director surely you want to be known for making ‘that’ Bond film.
Nolan is a creative genius. He likely won't repeat his Bat approach or trilogy with Bond.
In my view the biggest obstacle to Nolan on Bond, apart from Craig (for B25), is EON. He is a film maker who is larger than their character. One who may overshadow him. I'm not sure if they'd be up for that. Mendes and Boyle are chump change in comparison.
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Regarding Boyle. To those who've seen his films, can you see his approach gelling well with Craig's acting style? I really would like to see something seamless in the next one, with both actor and director in synch. I didn't get that on the last production.
That's fair enough.
But do EON want to go back to standalone? You'd like to think they've had their fingers burned so badly with continuity they'd knock it on the head.
But there again after managing to ditch it with the 'standalone' SF after the lukewarm QOS in the next film they simply couldn't resist diving straight back in.
The reason I am keen on a Nolan trilogy is that a) he reportedly has this big idea all mapped out which sounds more than just a one film deal but who knows b) he would get a grip of things, be completely committed and plan it all out in advance.
I'll admit that my wish for a Nolan trilogy is built largely on my disillusionment with EON at the moment, although to be fair to them Boyle and Hodge at least a step in the right direction.
If they're happy to go back to standalones only then it's not so much of an issue.
But EON have met with Nolan on several occasions. If they weren't at least interested in the possibility, why even bother pursuing it? Unless Babs thinks she can nab him to direct one of her feminist films. Yeah, good luck there.
Has that been confirmed? The comments from him suggest the meeting took place many years ago. Any discussion of recent meetings only came from other sources.
I thought it came from the same source which predicted Boyle correctly, from Reddit.
Reddit didn't call Boyle though. It was Deadline. The redditer was as surprised as anyone and then tried to piece it together afterwards.
Back to Danny Boyle. Is anyone curious as to what Boyle and Hodge's idea might entail? It's mentioned that the two of them didn’t have much faith in the outcome of their meeting with Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson, but were unexpectedly surprised when they were both fascinated by it. Makes me wonder just how off-the-wall the concept is.
I think others here have touched on how the narrative might be different to any of the previous Bonds with Danny Boyle at the helm. Could it be that B25 has a retrospective narrative with a much older 007 reflecting on how it all went so badly wrong for him, finally leading up to Madeleine's eventual demise? A basic concept whereby we the audience are constantly misled into thinking one way, when in reality, something else is happening. Perhaps something more akin to Jacques Tourneur's 1947 movie Out of the Past? It's a guess of course, and perhaps some might say a tad too similar to the Atomic Blonde narrative, which was hardly anything new to begin with. Or, maybe I'm completely off the mark and B25 is just a simple, straightforward caper.