No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • re: Dennis Gassner and Sam Mendes. Gassner was actually one of the people Mendes asked for (along with Deakins and Newman) for Skyfall. The fact Gassner had already done Quantum made that easy.
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    So, high chance then Boyle is indeed the director (as long as the script works it seems). My wishlist includes bringing back Roger Deakins for cinematography, David Arnold for music, and Jeffrey Wright for Felix.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Oh Danny Boyle, the pipes, the pipes are calling...
  • marketto007marketto007 Brazil
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    Am sure I have seen this done elsewhere? (!)

    You're quad version is far better. ;)
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    I'm wondering how much control Boyle will get from Eon.

    For instance, will he hire his own production designer? Someone new to create the title sequence? New stunt coordinators?

    Mendes was fairly traditional in this respect. He stuck with the Eon house staff. In fact, Marc Forster was the more who cleared deck. Sam actually went back and pretty much bought back the entire crew from CR (aside from bringing his own cinematographer and composer - which is expected of any director).

    The only concern I have with Boyle is that we may now not be getting a true adaption of YOLT that SP seemed to be indicating. I think Boyle's idea is probably something completely unique.

    when will Eon make Boyle official? We're just a press release away now from this being rubber-stamped.

    The way things have been going recently the director gets a lot of control. You don’t bring in a director like Danny Boyle and put lots of constraints on him. He will pick his own production designer, composer etc i very much expect. He’s worked with Arnold so he could conceivably be back - but Boyle has worked with lots of other designers as well. Glassner is a safe pair of hands and has definitely upped the quality in terms of production design but he’s not brought anything really stand out to Bond. Frankly we haven’t had anything truly memorable on the production design front since Ken Adam.
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    The thing about Newman is, apparently he didn't get on with EON, they fell out over the use of Adele's song in the score. @JamesPage hinted that they really had to fight him to get that one hint at it in at the casino section and didn't expect him to be back for SP based off what he'd heard. But I'm guessing Mendes wanted him back and EON wanted to keep Mendes happy. So maybe him phoning it in was sort of a middle finger/revenge because he didn't like being told what to do last time.

    Why are EON having to fight with a hired hand? We're the client just deliver what we want whether you disagree with it or not you prick.

    It's telling that the Adele track as Bond approaches the casino is the best track on the soundtrack.

    The fact that after that Newman came back just goes to show how out of control the production was with EON letting Mendes do whatever he wanted unchallenged.

    I think the issue is that they hired the wrong person. Newman was totally unsuited to Bond. I’m sure John Barry was bloody difficult at times but he was the right man for the job and - very important - liked to collaborate with others. Newman is a mediocrity in my view and with a massively inflated sense of his own worth. I’m still convinced his score got the Oscars nod only because it was associated with Adele’s song. You’re totally right that the only moment Newman’s score comes alive is that brief use of the title theme. The rest of it is like aural anaesthetic - bland background ear wash devoid of emotion, tension or drama.

    Imagine if Mendes had come back for a third - we’d have had SF version 3 for the soundtrack.
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    If Mendes had returned for a third, I don’t think anyone here would be much looking forward to Bond 25.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    If Mendes had returned for a third, I don’t think anyone here would be much looking forward to Bond 25.

    Here no but elsewhere yes. Whoever the director is in fact.

    My wife's reaction about Danny Boyle: "cool!" She really loved Slumdog Millionaire.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Choose Bond.

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    Am sure I have seen this done elsewhere? (!)

    From getting into fighting shape to the right hair and makeup, a lot has been said about what Craig needs to look good for his final go as Bond ; in a word may I add, eyebrows! Lol.

    Some may scoff but the lack of them tends to give him a brutish look. Trust me Sir Sean’s brows recieved much attention at his peak as 007.

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    Ludovico wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    If Mendes had returned for a third, I don’t think anyone here would be much looking forward to Bond 25.

    Here no but elsewhere yes. Whoever the director is in fact.

    My wife's reaction about Danny Boyle: "cool!" She really loved Slumdog Millionaire.

    There does seem to be a lot of backlash against Mendes/SP in particular lately elsewhere though. It’s dawned on almost everyone by now it was a weak Bond film. SF still seems fairly well-liked, but a little divisive here on the boards.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the official announcement dropped today or tomorrow.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the official announcement dropped today or tomorrow.
    As the script is still being worked on, I highly doubt there'll be anything to announce for at least a month.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Getafix wrote: »
    The thing about Newman is, apparently he didn't get on with EON, they fell out over the use of Adele's song in the score. @JamesPage hinted that they really had to fight him to get that one hint at it in at the casino section and didn't expect him to be back for SP based off what he'd heard. But I'm guessing Mendes wanted him back and EON wanted to keep Mendes happy. So maybe him phoning it in was sort of a middle finger/revenge because he didn't like being told what to do last time.

    Why are EON having to fight with a hired hand? We're the client just deliver what we want whether you disagree with it or not you prick.

    It's telling that the Adele track as Bond approaches the casino is the best track on the soundtrack.

    The fact that after that Newman came back just goes to show how out of control the production was with EON letting Mendes do whatever he wanted unchallenged.

    I think the issue is that they hired the wrong person. Newman was totally unsuited to Bond. I’m sure John Barry was bloody difficult at times but he was the right man for the job and - very important - liked to collaborate with others. Newman is a mediocrity in my view and with a massively inflated sense of his own worth. I’m still convinced his score got the Oscars nod only because it was associated with Adele’s song. You’re totally right that the only moment Newman’s score comes alive is that brief use of the title theme. The rest of it is like aural anaesthetic - bland background ear wash devoid of emotion, tension or drama.

    Imagine if Mendes had come back for a third - we’d have had SF version 3 for the soundtrack.

    Only moments I liked Newman's score for SF and SP...

    SF - train fight, bond stalking Patrice through that room of glass + their fight, the Tennyson part

    SP - long shot music in pts, bond steals db10 / driving into Rome, music for Donna lucia, bond vs hinx car chase, WOTW instrumental on train

    The rest all kind of runs together..
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    What the heck? @haserot is here!
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    Since the Boyle rumour seems to be true (and I hope there won‘t be a clash about the script) I am very curious what he will bring to the table. But I‘m sure it will have a much higher energy level again than SF (on purpose and fitting) and SP (because out of ideas) had.
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    Thomas Newman is a terrific composer and hints of that greatness show in both of his Bond scores. But while I like the SF score for what it is as it fits the film well, his reuse of it in SP took me out of the film a lot. And I like that film more than most. I look forward to Arnold returning or fresh blood.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Bernie99 wrote: »
    That recycling of the SF-Score was the idea of Mendes, right? So it's not Newman's fault

    Correct. The Newman hate on these boards is ridiculous. He's not to blame for Arnold getting kicked aside. Newman has always been Mendes's guy, going back to American Beauty. If Bond fans are angry about Arnold they need to direct their anger elsewhere. Newman's two scores for SF and SP were damn good, SF especially, for which he deservedly won an Grammy.

    I was not fond of Arnold's scoring until CR. I think he did some terrific stuff on both CR and QoS. There is room to appreciate both of them during DC's tenure.

    @thelivingroyale There has been no proof of any falling out. And I saw no indication that Newman phoned in anything. The music foir the PTS was fantastic. And he had to compose two different, distinct female themes: he did that exceptionally well, too. SP had some terrific music.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    I'm throwing a "Newman won't be back" party at my house. Everyone's invited! We'll have dartboards with Newman's face on them and alcohol aplenty! :))
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    Guys, enough is enough, this Newman bashing needs to stop NOW. First of all, right now it seems extremely unlikely he will return. Second, his Skyfall score was MILES above anything Arnold has ever created.
    I like the sound of things. Bring back David Arnold and we're all happy.
    Speak for yourself, Marketto. If Arnold returned I would certainly be VERY unhappy.
    Getafix wrote: »
    The music will be good with Boyle directing. He won’t tolerate the insipid elevator music that Newman churns out to order.
    Ask yourself this question: why did professional composers (member of the music branch of the Academy) believe back in 2012 that Newman's score was one of the 5 best movie scores of 2012?
    David Arnold hasn't scored a Bond film for 10 years. In fact, He's barely scored anything for 10 years. I heard that Arnold had been "blacklisted" in the industry for some reason. I really doubt he'll come back.
    I really hope you are right. It seems EON will FINALLY get rid of P&W, and people here want Arnold back???
    Risico007 wrote: »
    the continuity nerd in me really feels uncomfortable with letting all the Spectre plot thread remain unresolved
    No Spectre plot thread remained unresolved. Spectre is defeated. The baddie is captured. Bond won. Next.

  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    I'm throwing a "Newman won't be back" party at my house. Everyone's invited! We'll have dartboards with Newman's face on them and alcohol aplenty! :))

    WTH did Thomas Newman ever do to you?
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    Newman‘s score for American Beauty was wonderful and there *are* some very good tunes in SF (Shanghai Drive being one of them) but at a whole I don‘t think his scores „breathe“ Bond like Arnold‘s CR and especially QoS soundtracks did. To me QoS is the closest to Barry‘s work ...

    The reuse of the SF track totally fits the resulting movie: lazy, uninspired and out of steam. The only good thing in SP was the acting plus cinematography ...
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    TripAces wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I'm throwing a "Newman won't be back" party at my house. Everyone's invited! We'll have dartboards with Newman's face on them and alcohol aplenty! :))

    WTH did Thomas Newman ever do to you?
    It was a really, really hot day. I was eating some chocolate ice cream, and Newman approached me and pushed me for no reason whatsoever. My ice cream fell to the floor and he mockingly started scolding me for littering. When I told him I'd tell everyone what he had done he said "nobody will believe you." As he walked away I shouted at him that "Joachim Löw called and wants his haircut back!"

    So you see, it's not just professional.

    It's personal.



    Okay, okay, he did nothing. I'm just exaggerating of course, and I was exaggerating before. But I don't want him back scoring a Bond film, at all.

    Edit: I rank every Bond composer above Newman except for Monty Norman. And Norman did come up with the Bond theme, or at least its key elements. Both Michael Kamen and Éric Serra's scores were certainly better than Newman's efforts. I will concede that Newman's score for Skyfall was reasonably effective and fit the unconventional nature of the film at certain points, but it still left a great deal to be desired. Rehashed parts and everything, I found Spectre's score to be a step up from Skyfall's, but it's not a patch on previous non-Newman efforts. The Newman scores are not disastrous, but they're not very good either. So I was being hyperbolic.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Newman is a good composer

    Arnold is a fantastic bond composer

    Clear differance
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    What I find most exciting about this Boyle news is not that Boyle will probably direct Bond 25, it's not that P&W are probably out, it's that Boyle and Hodge seemingly came up with a very good idea, and that they went to EON and not the other way around.

    What the Bond movies need are talented directors and writers who are really eager to work on a Bond film. Boyle and Hodge are really eager to do Bond 25.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Confirmed: @PanchitoPistoles is Thomas Newman.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Guys, enough is enough, this Newman bashing needs to stop NOW. First of all, right now it seems extremely unlikely he will return. Second, his Skyfall score was MILES above anything Arnold has ever created..

    That all boils down to personal taste and opinion... Just like I can say Arnold's scores for CR and QOS are vastly superior to Newman's SF and SP... And more over when i listen to Arnold's Bond scores, they sound like a Bond movie should... The fact that Newman couldn't even be bothered to score his own version of the Bond theme bothers me, instead he purged it from Arnold.... Twice!
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I hope the film has a strong directors stamp. The past two have been really bland, IMO. Boyle can shake things up at least, so its pleasing for both fans of Craig, and those wanting something new. I'm trepidatious, but hopefully that SP reception has forced them to course correct. Casino and SF took risks, and though far from perfect, it paid off and are regarded with respect. QoS and SP mainly just piggy backed off the success of the previous entry, so I hope B25 closes things out on a reasonable place. At very least, it should be a shorter, fresher, less bloated than SP or SF. 3:-O
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    I'm throwing a "Newman won't be back" party at my house. Everyone's invited! We'll have dartboards with Newman's face on them and alcohol aplenty! :))

    I'll attend. ;)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Murdock wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I'm throwing a "Newman won't be back" party at my house. Everyone's invited! We'll have dartboards with Newman's face on them and alcohol aplenty! :))
    I'll attend. ;)
    Better make that two.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I'm throwing a "Newman won't be back" party at my house. Everyone's invited! We'll have dartboards with Newman's face on them and alcohol aplenty! :))
    I'll attend. ;)
    Better make that two.

    Not a Newman hater myself (love Skyfall but Spectre was too repetetive and boring) but i'll join just to hang out with you guys :D
    i can mix cocktails all night long
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