No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • edited March 2018 Posts: 5,767
    boldfinger wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Both Michael Kamen and Éric Serra's scores were certainly better than Newman's efforts.
    Not sure I'd go that far. It's close but at the end of the day SF has some excellent parts that surpass just repeating the Bond theme over and over and over again or laying a 70's porn track over the action.
    Nothing tops laying a 70´s porn track over the action.

    Which score is that referring too?
    I can only assume FYEO.




    FoxRox wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    I'm a bit surprised by the positivity towards the Boyle/Hodge scenario on here. Personally I'm excited - but the whole we've got a 'great idea' suggests we're not going to get the vanilla, by-the-numbers entry some on here have been clamouring for.

    I think we need something different again. SP tried too hard to be a classic Bond film and much of it didn’t work so well. I think it just doesn’t mesh as well with Craig’s grit.
    It doesn´t matter much if it is traditional or avantgarde, as long as the film as such is so tight that people don´t have the time to overanalize. Of course it can be very cool to have a slow pace as in SF, but then if you put in plotholes or lame jokes, they all the more stand out. The Connery-Moore era had loads of bad jokes and plotholes, but they didn´t give the space at all to think too much about it.
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 5,767
    I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Was there ever any girl that didn´t get naked on her own will? Even Bond´s physiotherapist in TB, who could be claimed to have been raped, later enjoys her time with Bond very freely.



    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Oh god shoot me now.
    We'll expect a full feminist partisan message from that film, then.

    Ah, I miss the days when films were made for pure entertainment.
    Both in one film is possible, as Mad Max Fury Road aptly demonstrated.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Both Michael Kamen and Éric Serra's scores were certainly better than Newman's efforts.
    Not sure I'd go that far. It's close but at the end of the day SF has some excellent parts that surpass just repeating the Bond theme over and over and over again or laying a 70's porn track over the action.
    Nothing tops laying a 70´s porn track over the action.

    Which score is that referring too?
    The Wizard was talking about GoldenEye.

    boldfinger wrote: »
    I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Was there ever any girl that didn´t get naked on her own will? Even Bond´s physiotherapist in TB, who could be claimed to have been raped, later enjoys her time with Bond very freely.
    Indeed. What is even the point of that question? Seems pretty vague. The MeToo topic appears to be incorrectly linked to Bond, and without much thought having gone into the matter.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    Creasy47 wrote: »

    I read this article yesterday. They do get that Bond is a different beast than other films however they seem to miss on how much Boyle seems to understand Bond. I appreciate the views and expectations conveyed on this website more than most news outlets. I think Boyle will do a great job incorporating his style into the already established understainding of a Bond film and not just making a Danny Boyle movie which happens to feature Bond.
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 5,767
    bondjames wrote: »
    My point was more that Bond was in a way counterculture to the liberation movement in the 60s while also embracing it (characters like Pussy were lez as well as progressive but ultimately succumbed to Bond's enviable charms). Bond was as masculine as could be (in the old school sort of way) and yet the films were quite pioneering and avant-garde. It was a deft sleight of hand.

    That's what I'd like Boyle to pull off. Appease the #MeToo'ers while turning his back on them. The film must cut both ways.
    I´d embrace that kind of avant-garde! It would already be a big step if the lost all those bad nostalgic references.



    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Clickbaity headline. Reading that article, he could just as well have written "may be good news for 007 fans".
  • Posts: 12,474
    So... will Bond 25 still release as scheduled if Boyle and crew are able to begin production December or January?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Bentley007 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »

    I read this article yesterday. They do get that Bond is a different beast than other films however they seem to miss on how much Boyle seems to understand Bond. I appreciate the views and expectations conveyed on this website more than most news outlets. I think Boyle will do a great job incorporating his style into the already established understainding of a Bond film and not just making a Danny Boyle movie which happens to feature Bond.

    The only reason that particular bit keeps me cautious is because I recall Mendes mentioning several times his love of the novels and how he had read them numerous times, and I wasn't remotely crazy about what he delivered. I'm more optimistic with Boyle in the chair, but we'll see.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    So... will Bond 25 still release as scheduled if Boyle and crew are able to begin production December or January?
    I don't see why not.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »

    I agree with a lot of it. Not sure if on the long run it's such a great idea to have a renown filmmaker. I would like Bond to go back to genre directors in the future.
  • Posts: 12,474
    I can’t wait to learn more. Cast/music/cinematography etc. The wait since SP has been tough.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    It's going to be a fun production watch now. If they had announced Mendes, I would have been off the boards. See the movie of course, but not follow or anticipate much. But now everything is more intriguing. I get the trepidation with Boyle being unpredictable, but I'm on board for that too. And it's weird people are saying he's not fresh at 61 and also crying for Martin Campbell to return at 80-whatever. Watching his interviews, he has loads of energy and humor and everything you see in his films. He also understands suspense and he’s a filmmaker. Just re-watched Slumdog Millionaire and the movie never stops, it's really good. He's not Mendes with his theatrical nonsense.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I can’t wait to learn more. Cast/music/cinematography etc. The wait since SP has been tough.

    Indeed. It's ridicolous when you think that Bond 25 is still 1.6+ years far.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    It is a living hell.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    This year we do have Horowitz' second novel and MI Fallout, so that helps.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I’m not too worried yet about Bond 25 being overly PC. I think the article was mostly clickbait, because Boyle’s comments didn’t give away much. Just having an independent Bond girl isn’t overly PC. We will see what comes of that but I wouldn’t worry too much yet.

    We already have Bond women for the 21st century. Camille and Madeleine were their own women. Strong. decisive. Madeleine saved Bond's life in the train car. Vesper, too, was a strong female character who saved Bond's life...and wasn't afraid to bite back at him (though the stairwell fight did demonstrate her vulnerabilities, which wasn't a bad thing).
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Is There Anything Left for Daniel Craig to Do as James Bond?
    https://hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/bond-25-does-daniel-craig-have-more-do-as-james-bond-1095004

    An interesting read from THR.

    And a new quote from Boyle:

    For Boyle, this level of scrutiny on a project in development is new, he told The Hollywood Reporter Thursday in New York.

    "Normally, nobody is ever interested in that process, but because it’s a big franchise people are interested. And because it’s Daniel’s last one, people are double interested," Boyle told THR at the FX All-Star party. "And he’s done great work in it. So we hope we don’t let them down if it happens."
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Strong and decisive is not always a positive for me in Bond Girls. I love Tiffany and Goodnight.

    My point is that anyone who thinks that today's Bond girls aren't PC/reflection of the times is sadly mistaken.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    So another confirmation it is his last. Five is a good number anyway.
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 11,425
    His last until he changes his mind and decides to do another
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    Even with Boyle I am not getting my hopes up with the current state of the 007 verse.
  • RC7RC7
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Even with Boyle I am not getting my hopes up with the current state of the 007 verse.

    But you care enough to log on to a Bond forum to share that.
  • Posts: 7,653
    RC7 wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Even with Boyle I am not getting my hopes up with the current state of the 007 verse.

    But you care enough to log on to a Bond forum to share that.

    Sure if that is allowed or does one have to be a Craig fan to being allowed on this site?

    I had hopes that EON would mess up and the Craig era would pass into the night with a whisper. Unless you like Mendes record explosion. ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Indeed. It's possible to be a long time Bond fan and not be satisfied with the current state of affairs. The two are not mutually exclusive.

    50+ years of fandom. Not everyone can be pleased.

    At least we reportedly have a new writer and director. That should go some way towards freshening it up. For those anxiously awaiting a younger Bond and a completely fresh take, it will come too, eventually.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I'll say it again, age up the casting of the Bond Girl: Diane Lane, Julianne Moore or Virginia Madsen. Casting either would be a win:win, you have an actress that could run rings around the Cara Delevingnes being mention in the press, but also casting an older actress will shut up critics (not all of them, they'd just move the goal posts to whine about something else) of the Bond Girl on the whole.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    These are my top 5 choices for bond's leading lady for bond 25:
    1. Scarlett Johansson
    2. Christina Hendricks
    3. Catherine Zeta-jones
    4. Salma Hayek
    5. Kate Winslet


  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I'll say it again, age up the casting of the Bond Girl: Diane Lane, Julianne Moore or Virginia Madsen.
    I was about to make a snide remark suggesting Maggie Smith, Glenda Jackson or even Ruth Gordon (who would be 121 years old by now) instead, but since those ladiesyou mentioned are all at least a few years younger than me, I'd rather not comment (which I just did). And I agree we don't need any anorectic non-actresses.
  • Posts: 12,474
    One of the things that most bothered me about SP was them trying to sell Madeleine as a serious love for Bond. After Tracy and Vesper, we don’t need to be seeing that again for a long time. The next Bond girl(s) need to be more like Domino or Melina I think - a good love interest just for THAT film/scenario (nothing too serious) and can help out.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Dan and Dan pair up for the next one.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I never felt the " love interest" in Madeleine was in any way more pronounced than that with several other ladies in the franchise. And I have nothing at all against Madeleine or Léa Seydoux - quite the contrary. But for all that it's worth, I wouldn't care if they forgot all about her (like about all previous flings except maybe Tracy and Vesper) and start from scratch as if she never existed.
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