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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    bondjames wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    I want Arnold back for B25, and the foreseeable future.
    There are far better composers out there than this. He's had his 5.

    I'd feel more confident in fresh composers if they did a Bond demo reel like Arnold did with Shaken, Not Stirred. Arnold's proved he can do great Bond music. Newman was new and his 2 contributions sucked. If a new composer brought us a modern equivalent to Shaken Not Stirred, then I'd be more open to them.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Murdock wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    I want Arnold back for B25, and the foreseeable future.
    There are far better composers out there than this. He's had his 5.

    I'd feel more confident in fresh composers if they did a Bond demo reel like Arnold did with Shaken, Not Stirred. Arnold's proved he can do great Bond music. Newman was new and his 2 contributions sucked. If a new composer brought us a modern equivalent to Shaken Not Stirred, then I'd be more open to them.
    I don't really think that's necessary and would prefer not to see it actually, because I don't want Barry rehashed poorly again. I believe we need a new sound to take us forward. I've heard some great scores from noted composers over the years, and can see them doing wonders with Bond. Some key ingredients are necessary imho, like great melodies, notable brassy orchestral motifs, and an ability to weave the Bond theme into some tracks in new and innovative ways. Most importantly, they have to be able to 'action score' without making it sound like garbled noise. That's what has been lacking the most in the recent past, in my view.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Well after the abysmal efforts Newman did there should be the musical equivalent to a screen test when it comes to Bond. I don't want anymore bland generic s***.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Well after the abysmal efforts Newman did there should be the musical equivalent to a screen test when it comes to Bond. I don't want anymore bland generic s***.
    +1!

  • fjdinardofjdinardo
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    If Mendes wants Newman he gets Newman. Simple as that. Mendes was given the world when he directed Spectre.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The Barry spirit is exactly what the Bond music needs as well as the constant hint of the Bond Theme every now and then. I'm not watching some regular film with no significance, I'm watching a Bond film. So, that spirit Arnold put in the Brosnan era, minus the techno sounds which I found abysmal at best, is the perfect way to modernize the Bond soul in terms of score. Brasses, jazzy sounds, straightforward music instead of Hans Zimmer noise that randomly hits key notes inconsistently, something that screams Bond and every generic spy tune that replicated since the popularity of Goldfinger.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    If Mendes wants Newman he gets Newman. Simple as that. Mendes was given the world when he directed Spectre.
    Shame we got Mendes on a bad day, when we could have an interested director like Nolan or Wright.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Newman was fine with SF. I quite enjoyed his score for the film. He just needed more orchestra, a little more Bond theme woven in and more brass. I don't know what budget he had for it, but he did a decent enough job for a first effort.

    His work for SP was pretty poor, but that was par for the course for the film. A massive missed opportunity
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Do the Pfeifer Broz score movies? They should do a Bond movie since their trailer music for the Bond films have been great.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Do the Pfeifer Broz score movies? They should do a Bond movie since their trailer music for the Bond films have been great.
    I'd go so far as to say they have been quite brilliant. They totally get it.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I don't believe they score films.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    They should start with Bond 25.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    What about @JMY ? Give him an orchestra and let him at B25!
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The Barry spirit is exactly what the Bond music needs as well as the constant hint of the Bond Theme every now and then. I'm not watching some regular film with no significance, I'm watching a Bond film. So, that spirit Arnold put in the Brosnan era, minus the techno sounds which I found abysmal at best, is the perfect way to modernize the Bond soul in terms of score. Brasses, jazzy sounds, straightforward music instead of Hans Zimmer noise that randomly hits key notes inconsistently, something that screams Bond and every generic spy tune that replicated since the popularity of Goldfinger.

    Agreed, except for the part about techno. I actually loved the techno.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Oh yes, @JMY can do wonders for Bond. :-bd
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited February 2017 Posts: 10,592
    JMY would do a cracking job.

    @BMW_with_missiles I don't mind it, but it was used better in DAD than in TWINE, IMO.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    jake24 wrote: »
    JMY would do a cracking job.

    @BMW_with_missiles I don't mind it, but it was used better in DAD than in TWINE, IMO.

    For me, "Come in 007, your time is up" is the best piece of music in the series. I've driven a bit too fast to it on many occasions...well, if you can call 95 mph fast. My creaky old Volvo complains if I push any harder. :D
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    But come on guys does anyone not like the score to casino Royale and quantum of solace, I think it's some of the series best and while it doesn't have near the amount of bond theme, that could be something he producers tell Arnold," hey we like your score just put some more bond theme in it" as opposed to trying some one new who could be another Newman or Serra or just some generic action composer who doesn't understand Bond scores like arnold
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited February 2017 Posts: 10,592
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    JMY would do a cracking job.

    @BMW_with_missiles I don't mind it, but it was used better in DAD than in TWINE, IMO.

    For me, "Come in 007, your time is up" is the best piece of music in the series. I've driven a bit too fast to it on many occasions...well, if you can call 95 mph fast. My creaky old Volvo complains if I push any harder. :D
    Haha! It's definitely up there.
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
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    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    JMY would do a cracking job.

    @BMW_with_missiles I don't mind it, but it was used better in DAD than in TWINE, IMO.

    For me, "Come in 007, your time is up" is the best piece of music in the series. I've driven a bit too fast to it on many occasions...well, if you can call 95 mph fast. My creaky old Volvo complains if I push any harder. :D

    This is my favorite soundtrack track of the Bond series. I always listen to it during time trials for Track back in the day.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    JMY would do a cracking job.

    @BMW_with_missiles I don't mind it, but it was used better in DAD than in TWINE, IMO.

    For me, "Come in 007, your time is up" is the best piece of music in the series. I've driven a bit too fast to it on many occasions...well, if you can call 95 mph fast. My creaky old Volvo complains if I push any harder. :D

    This is my favorite soundtrack track of the Bond series. I always listen to it during time trials for Track back in the day.
    Gent's I'm afraid I cannot agree here. This track is one of the key reasons I am firmly against Arnold's return to the series, despite his notable improvement during QoS and CR. It's because I deeply fear a relapse to this kind of generic tripe (in my opinion of course), which I find quite unforgivable.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Having had time away from the series, I think Arnold would return with a vengeance and build upon what he did on CR and QoS
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Exactly, It's been almost 10 years since his last Bond score. I know the techno elements, more like "Drum and Bass" elements was a product of the 90's and early 2000's. He dropped that with CR and QOS. I wonder how he's matured in 10 years. Much like Barry who started with a Brassy jazz style that evolved into a rich symphonic style that stuck from the 70's until he retired.
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    For his "Incredibles" score alone, I think Michael Giacchino could be a great choice. That score was Barry-esque.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    AgentJamesBond007 wrote: »
    For his "Incredibles" score alone, I think Michael Giacchino could be a great choice. That score was Barry-esque.
    He would be a great choice!

  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    No one wants to hear more goldeneye bond and onatopp have a car chase none of that? I actually didn't believe it when I first heard it that this was a bond film
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    That's one track. I don't dismiss the whole score because of "Ladies First."
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Exactly, It's been almost 10 years since his last Bond score.

    I hadn't noticed. How time flies!
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Murdock wrote: »
    That's one track. I don't dismiss the whole score because of "Ladies First."

    You can't tell me that it doesn't just take you out of the movie every time though
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited February 2017 Posts: 15,423
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    That's one track. I don't dismiss the whole score because of "Ladies First."

    You can't tell me that it doesn't just take you out of the movie every time though
    It doesn't take me out of the movie at all, and while I don't defend it or like it particularly, that track is a product of its time. A fun car race had to have some kind of a music in these sort of resemblances. If you played the first The Need For Speed game, you'd know. As well as many vehicle documentaries that came from the period of '93-'96 had these sort of music incorporated to high octane adrenaline bumping vehicular action sequences. Check them out if you like. The 007 Racing soundtrack isn't that different from "Ladies First" either. They just happen to have the James Bond Theme cuing in every now and then.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    That's one track. I don't dismiss the whole score because of "Ladies First."

    You can't tell me that it doesn't just take you out of the movie every time though

    Yes I can. It doesn't take me out of the movie either. I don't happen to like that track but it doesn't ruin my enjoyment of the film either. Though the same can't be said about the recycled Skyfall music cues from Spectre. That does take me out of the film.

    @ClarkDevlin, this rescore is right up your alley then. ;)

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