No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2017 Posts: 15,713
    EON have made their decision and the verdict is to go back to the drawing board.

    News flash: we don't know anything regarding the release date of Bond 25. Which means we have no proof of any decision on this issue being taken in the last 2 years or so (basically since SP actually was in theaters).
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    EON have made their decision and the verdict is to go back to the drawing board. A smart move if you ask me. Maybe Dan just has a passion for cinema beyond Bond, or maybe EON are pressured to find a new actor, or maybe the decision is mutual across all parties. Don't expect to hear anything official on the matter this year. If we do hear something it'll be Daniel Craig is departing Bond, maybe because rumours are leaked and EON hand is forced. There's no telling how long this process has been in motion - could be up to or over a year. All we know is that Bond will return, and that should provide us the solace we yearn for as fans.

    So if that's the case why is DC's face all over this 'new' Bond's passport?

    I think the more obvious answer is that EON are making things up as they go along as per usual.

    Possibly, but remember, just because they have or are planning on parting ways, doesn't mean they necessarily want to give the outside world that impression just yet. It would raise a few eyebrows if they suddenly stopped using Daniel in their material, wouldn't you say?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @Mendes4Lyfe , I have to be the contrarian here, and assure you, the "writing is on the wall"; I know it, I see it, I feel it in my very bones!!; EoN's dropped clues like pigeons drop their excrement on my car every morning. It's as clear as that.

    Sir, the excrement in which I speak of, leads us to the path; the path leads us to the Promised Land. The Promise Land, I assure you, is a place where Daniel Craig will be back as 007.

    I honestly believe your crystal ball, wherever you purchased it, was made in China. It has, I'm afraid to say, let you down.

    I say with the utmost confidence, Aidan Turner met with Babs and EoN. And I say with the utmost confidence that he will be a minor villain, in the vein of Patrice, in Bond 25. The signs are telling me he will have a most dramatic death, in a "pulverizer" or some such thing.

    I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but all my info is based on the most solid sources: Jeffrey Wright- aka Jeff- David Arnold- aka "buddy"- Olga Kurylenko- aka Ms. Montes Rivero, aka "hottie"- and Omega- aka recent makers-of-one-helluva-an-ugly watch"--

    I mean, really @Mendes4Lyfe ... on top of this, we have a change in Bond's birth date, so that in the film time-line, my ma- our man- is only mid-40s... We have Arnold back in the fold since I think Babs had Newman knocked off (but made it look like a Putin assassination), and we have the face of Bond being, craggy-Craigy-Daniel Wroughton, himself.

    What more proof do you need, son?
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited July 2017 Posts: 9,509
    and re: not using Craig's face: if Omega's evening was flashy, with great brassy music, lots of drinks, no passport, and the following was on all of their hand-outs and presentations:

    007

    ...no one would have blinked an eye @Mendes4Lyfe.

    Instead we have DC's face splashed everywhere, a tweak of his date of birth to make him realistically younger in the upcoming film, David (aka Buddy) Arnold was in attendance, and some nostalgic tweets, that COULD, or could not, mean something (or not).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The display items during the Omega event were based on the prior Bond films. As an example, there were chips to recall the casino in SF and Vesper's ID to recall CR etc. etc. The passports are there for similar reasons.

    Brozza and Craig's images were the only ones used, because these are the only two Bond actors to sport Omega in the films (prior to that it was Rolex).
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    Michael Wilson and Samantha Bond (she looks great) were on hand at the event. Sadly, this doesn't mean she's returning as MP however.
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  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Great to see MGW still out and about and very much involved.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Samantha looks great there. MGW looks in keen spirits too. Good to see.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Good seeing MGW. Maybe someone by chance interviewed him and just so happened to ask questions about B25. Wishful thinking?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    bondjames wrote: »
    The display items during the Omega event were based on the prior Bond films. As an example, there were chips to recall the casino in SF and Vesper's ID to recall CR etc. etc. The passports are there for similar reasons.

    Brozza and Craig's images were the only ones used, because these are the only two Bond actors to sport Omega in the films (prior to that it was Rolex).
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    Michael Wilson and Samantha Bond (she looks great) were on hand at the event. Sadly, this doesn't mean she's returning as MP however.
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    I would like to call out @bondjames and his conservative and careful predictions about Ms. Bond not returning to the world of 007, and specifically in the role of Moneypenny; you see, dear chap, I do respect your moderate approach to everything. However, in this case, you're simply wrong. Ms. Bond, in the alternative time-line they will be using in the next script, will indeed be playing MP in Bond 25.

    She and Eve will come face-to-face in a climactic scene where they will fight to the death.

    I understand this is TREK meets DR.WHO meets DAD... or something like that. All I know is Aidan Turner really has "a lot of guts" as a Patrice-type baddie.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    and P.S. @bondjames ; may i remind you, that among all the clues EoN has just gifted us, from the passport photo with DC, and a newly revisioned date of birth, is the fact that MGW is in attendance.

    The same MGW who is supposedly one foot in the grave.

    The exactly same MGW who also said he wants to hire DC so he plays Bond more times than any one actor has played him in the films.

    That's the MGW that attended. And that's just another indication that I am right: DC will be back.

    Don't try and fight it... "just let it happen"... (cue romantic music... ... ... NOW)
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Honestly, my fun today has been poking fun at how assured some of our friends are: DC's done; Turner's in; new direction; or this; or that... and so on and so on...

    EoN made some major mis-steps with the last film; in the end, it was rushed and they gave too much creative control to others. They got burned, and, I guess, they've learned their lesson. Or maybe not? We'll hafta see...

    EoN either knows what it's doing, or it doesn't. But considering this family's been making 007 films for over half a century, I'm inclined to believe that they know more than us, more often than not. I also think they know how to bounce back-- with a new actor (Brosnan), or; with the same actor (Moore in TSWLM, or, in someways (which I think history will correct), Craig from QoS to SF).

    Is Craig done? We could guess, yes. Or no. They (the EoN family) seem to love him. Or they're done with him.

    No one on this forum knows what they're up to.

    Some kind of 007-universe? Sure! Or; Surely not (I hope and think this is not happening-- but that's just a personal feeling).

    DC in? (I f*cking hope so 'coz most leading candidates really SUCK, suck BIG. AND. TIME) Yes, yes he is in!, or; NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, he's too old;

    Complete re-boot? of course. Or; of course not....

    We know nothing. Sucks? Sure. Or not.



  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Michael Wilson and Samantha Bond (she looks great) were on hand at the event. Sadly, this doesn't mean she's returning as MP however.
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    Confirmed: Guy holding the watch is the new Bond.

    Or Michael G. Wilson, perhaps?
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    The seventh actor to play bond has been leaked https://geekdweeb.blogspot.com/2017/07/next-james-bond-revealed.html
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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  • RC7RC7
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    The seventh actor to play bond has been leaked https://geekdweeb.blogspot.com/2017/07/next-james-bond-revealed.html

    And I'm directing.
  • RC7 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    The seventh actor to play bond has been leaked https://geekdweeb.blogspot.com/2017/07/next-james-bond-revealed.html

    And I'm directing.

    I think we need to discuss your casting choices.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    RC7 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    The seventh actor to play bond has been leaked https://geekdweeb.blogspot.com/2017/07/next-james-bond-revealed.html

    And I'm directing.

    I have never heard of this website or it's creditably
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Two key words are "like an"; that's far from a conformation.
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    There's a Nolan interview in the latest Playboy where he talks about talking to BB/MGW and he said he'd love to do it but "you'd need to be needed....it has to need reinvention, it has to need you."
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    antovolk wrote: »
    There's a Nolan interview in the latest Playboy where he talks about talking to BB/MGW and he said he'd love to do it but "you'd need to be needed....it has to need reinvention, it has to need you."

    Bond doesn't need to be reinvented, he needs to be Bond.
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    antovolk wrote: »
    There's a Nolan interview in the latest Playboy where he talks about talking to BB/MGW and he said he'd love to do it but "you'd need to be needed....it has to need reinvention, it has to need you."

    Bond doesn't need to be reinvented, he needs to be Bond.

    He said 'it' has to need reinvention.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Dennison wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    There's a Nolan interview in the latest Playboy where he talks about talking to BB/MGW and he said he'd love to do it but "you'd need to be needed....it has to need reinvention, it has to need you."

    Bond doesn't need to be reinvented, he needs to be Bond.

    He said 'it' has to need reinvention.

    So "it" could be the franchise, or the film itself, it doesn't really matter as they're one and the same as Bond. Bond needs to remain Bond, and Nolan needs to stay the Hell away from Bond (and his pet composer Hans Zimmer for that matter).
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    Dennison wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    There's a Nolan interview in the latest Playboy where he talks about talking to BB/MGW and he said he'd love to do it but "you'd need to be needed....it has to need reinvention, it has to need you."

    Bond doesn't need to be reinvented, he needs to be Bond.

    He said 'it' has to need reinvention.

    So "it" could be the franchise, or the film itself, it doesn't really matter as they're one and the same as Bond. Bond needs to remain Bond, and Nolan needs to stay the Hell away from Bond (and his pet composer Hans Zimmer for that matter).

    CR was a reinvention of sorts - so you're saying that Bond isn't Bond in both DAD and CR?
  • JeffreyJeffrey The Netherlands
    edited July 2017 Posts: 308
    Dennison wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    There's a Nolan interview in the latest Playboy where he talks about talking to BB/MGW and he said he'd love to do it but "you'd need to be needed....it has to need reinvention, it has to need you."

    Bond doesn't need to be reinvented, he needs to be Bond.

    He said 'it' has to need reinvention.

    So "it" could be the franchise, or the film itself, it doesn't really matter as they're one and the same as Bond. Bond needs to remain Bond, and Nolan needs to stay the Hell away from Bond (and his pet composer Hans Zimmer for that matter).

    Just curious, what's wrong with Hans Zimmer?
  • edited July 2017 Posts: 3,164
    A reinvention could even mean just a recast of Bond and a reboot of the timeline - like I've been expecting them to do once Craig leaves anyway. (And I do not mean ANOTHER origin story - just new actor, majority new cast, disconnected storyline wise from the Craig era. I've been saying this for a while, it's so tightly woven that pretending to continue it with a different actor like in the past would be disingenuous)

    He wouldn't for instance come in with Craig still on board. New actor, new timeline, yes.
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    antovolk wrote: »
    There's a Nolan interview in the latest Playboy where he talks about talking to BB/MGW and he said he'd love to do it but "you'd need to be needed....it has to need reinvention, it has to need you."
    Delusions of grandeur.

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    So you interpret this as, no, we don't go for the "new", which again means DC stays.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited July 2017 Posts: 10,591
    antovolk wrote: »
    There's a Nolan interview in the latest Playboy where he talks about talking to BB/MGW and he said he'd love to do it but "you'd need to be needed....it has to need reinvention, it has to need you."
    Do you have a link to that? I'd like to include it on the timeline.
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    antovolk wrote: »
    I've been saying this for a whole, it's so tightly woven that pretending to continue it with a different actor like in the past would be disingenuous)

    Fair point, and one I'd not thought of. I'm not too fussed about continuity, and thought it was fine having Desmond or Dench cross eras. But a problem of the interconnected story arc is that it does make it harder to credibly swap out one character.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    There's a Nolan interview in the latest Playboy where he talks about talking to BB/MGW and he said he'd love to do it but "you'd need to be needed....it has to need reinvention, it has to need you."

    Bond doesn't need to be reinvented, he needs to be Bond.

    He said 'it' has to need reinvention.

    So "it" could be the franchise, or the film itself, it doesn't really matter as they're one and the same as Bond. Bond needs to remain Bond, and Nolan needs to stay the Hell away from Bond (and his pet composer Hans Zimmer for that matter).

    Just curious, what's wrong with Hans Zimmer?
    Some folks prefer people like Arnold. I'm not one of them. Zimmer will deliver something brilliant for Dunkirk, I'm quite sure. Having said that, there are several excellent composers out there who can take on Bond and deliver something special.
    antovolk wrote: »
    There's a Nolan interview in the latest Playboy where he talks about talking to BB/MGW and he said he'd love to do it but "you'd need to be needed....it has to need reinvention, it has to need you."
    Well, the way I read that is if Nolan ever got it, he would come in with a new vision - another reboot. I don't think we'll see him for B25 though.
    antovolk wrote: »
    A reinvention could even mean just a recast of Bind and a reboot of the timeline - like I've been expecting them to do once Craig leaves anyway. (And I do not mean ANOTHER origin story - just new actor, majority new cast, disconnected storyline wise from the Craig era. I've been saying this for a whole, it's so tightly woven that pretending to continue it with a different actor like in the past would be disingenuous)

    He wouldn't for instance come in with Craig still on board. New actor, new timeline, yes.
    I think they could potentially just carry on with a new actor, but it would very much depend on the actor. I believe they could do a 'Moore' style switch continuing the current timeline.
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